FettFan
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It could go either way, since the bear was actually born in Canada. "Winnie" is short for Winnipeg, after all.
Also, Disney sold these babies back in 1997 at the Canada pavilion.
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Confirmed Closing Date for Maelstrom?
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It could go either way, since the bear was actually born in Canada. "Winnie" is short for Winnipeg, after all.
Also, Disney sold these babies back in 1997 at the Canada pavilion.
Goofnut1980
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but my point is, people complain when nothing is done... then complain when something is done... Disney can't win for losing.
lazyboy97o
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Because people are more nuanced in there desires than just whatever. It's like applauding kid who doesn't do his math homework for just writing in some numbers.
MarkTwain
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I think this is 100% the case, and I find the fact that Disney intends on going through with this, despite being well-aware that the announcement will be met with disapproval, is quite sad.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the ride closed with an explanation, before any any announcement is even made.
Mr Anderson
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And what makes you think a Frozen attraction will represent Norway? Spoiler alert: It won't. It's going to stick out like a sore thumb in World Showcase. If they were to simply re-do the Maelstrom attraction, and make it a better, more exciting ride and stick to the same core theme and original idea, I am positive people would not be so negative about the change. TDO is spending money in very odd places, and people are raising eyebrows (hello, FP+ & Magic Bands). In this case, it's the simple fact that Maelstrom is being replaced by a ride from a relatively cheesy Disney film (yeah, I said it) that does not authentically represent the country. In an area of WDW that is intended to showcase the culture of the rest of the world, they're going to try to cram more of the movies and pop culture that's found everywhere else in the parks down our throats.
And it's not as if nobody rides Maelstrom... it is frequently found with a 25-40 minute wait time. So old and dated, yeah okay; but the same could be said about rides throughout the entirety of Walt Disney World... yet, Maelstrom continues to be popular (often more popular than Spaceship Earth and some other attractions in EPCOT, mind you). So sitting and rotting, it is not. Oh, and to your point that you'd rather see them improve, even if it's tacky... @lazyboy97o I couldn't have put it better myself...
To close, I'll say this... I will not smile and thank Disney/TDO/Iger/whoever-made-this-lousy-call for the rhinestone-encrusted turd they're giving us in exchange for the gem they're taking away.
**end retort**
Have a nice day (and I do mean that).
P.S. Every time someone says shenanigans, I think of this:
Mr Anderson
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FettFan
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aladdin2007
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And what makes you think a Frozen attraction will represent Norway? Spoiler alert: It won't. It's going to stick out like a sore thumb in World Showcase. If they were to simply re-do the Maelstrom attraction, and make it a better, more exciting ride and stick to the same core theme and original idea, I am positive people would not be so negative about the change. TDO is spending money in very odd places, and people are raising eyebrows (hello, FP+ & Magic Bands). In this case, it's the simple fact that Maelstrom is being replaced by a ride from a relatively cheesy Disney film (yeah, I said it) that does not authentically represent the country. In an area of WDW that is intended to showcase the culture of the rest of the world, they're going to try to cram more of the movies and pop culture that's found everywhere else in the parks down our throats.
And it's not as if nobody rides Maelstrom... it is frequently found with a 25-40 minute wait time. So old and dated, yeah okay; but the same could be said about rides throughout the entirety of Walt Disney World... yet, Maelstrom continues to be popular (often more popular than Spaceship Earth and some other attractions in EPCOT, mind you). So sitting and rotting, it is not. Oh, and to your point that you'd rather see them improve, even if it's tacky... @lazyboy97o I couldn't have put it better myself...
To close, I'll say this... I will not smile and thank Disney/TDO/Iger/whoever-made-this-lousy-call for the rhinestone-encrusted turd they're giving us in exchange for the gem they're taking away.
**end retort**
Have a nice day (and I do mean that).
P.S. Every time someone says shenanigans, I think of this:
We dont know that yet for sure.
lazyboy97o
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Yes, we do. Even if it is the lousy "tour of Norway" idea, the tour of Norway will not be the focus. There is no need for unrelated characters if the purpose is some sort of presentation of Norway.
aladdin2007
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I would rather have the lousy tour of Norway idea than just a preschool frozen retelling or wheres olaf with no mention or theme of Norway at all, which of course it could very well go that that way too. Hopefully not.
While I dont have insider info on the frozen plans, I can tell you that Disney is well aware of the issue of retaining a Norwegian theme. I was told they plan to, question is to what extent will they.
EPCOT & World Showcase has become so distant from Walt's original vision....
But to replace a ride - however old, tired and in need of an update - that reflects the culture of its country with a M&G or whatever is planned from a cheesy movie that has no connection to that country just because it grossed a billion dollars is criminal.
But to replace a ride - however old, tired and in need of an update - that reflects the culture of its country with a M&G or whatever is planned from a cheesy movie that has no connection to that country just because it grossed a billion dollars is criminal.
afar28
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100% agree with the second part. But Walt's original Epcot vision was a functioning city so the park never was that close to his vision anyway
stevehousse
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Was just gonna say that. Also the world showcase was suppose to be its own type of park seperate from Epcot/future world. I know there is a video about the making of Epcot where the imagineers basically said they had both models of the seperate parks in te same room and said hey, let's pin these together and that's how the parks new concepts came to be. Epcots original version by Walt was a working city where people would work and live...no rides or anything but an actual city...
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FettFan
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Epcot Center from the 80s and 90s was more or less the spiritual sequel to the 1964 Worlds Fair.
lazyboy97o
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The idea for World Showcase came from ideas for EPCOT's urban core "where stores and whole streets recreate the character and adventure of places ‘round the world." The EPCOT Center really did pull from big ideas behind EPCOT.
DisneyRoy
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What this all comes down to is one fact....Epcot is a THEME PARK. It is there for entertainment purposes and to make Disney some money. Will "repurposing" this attraction draw more crowds? YES. Is this movie making Disney a butt load of money? YES. So is it going anywhere soon? NO.
Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed Maelstrom. But it's not the greatest most iconic ride that some are making it out to be. It's got freaky trolls and some giant weird oil rig that you go down a hill backward for. No cohesive story and just plain strange. I am not weeping for this to be changed.
As far as the "culture" argument goes? The ride adds nothing to the culture that is Norway in my opinion. You get more of that from the shop and the food.
Characters in World Showcase? Who cares....as I said above, it's a Theme Park! Disney will put characters where people will want to see them. And all of the characters in the World Showcase always have long lines for M&G. So again....nothing new here.
I for one welcome any changes Disney decides to make. They have sat on their laurels for far too long and changes are needed in all the parks....whether they "fit" or not.
Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed Maelstrom. But it's not the greatest most iconic ride that some are making it out to be. It's got freaky trolls and some giant weird oil rig that you go down a hill backward for. No cohesive story and just plain strange. I am not weeping for this to be changed.
As far as the "culture" argument goes? The ride adds nothing to the culture that is Norway in my opinion. You get more of that from the shop and the food.
Characters in World Showcase? Who cares....as I said above, it's a Theme Park! Disney will put characters where people will want to see them. And all of the characters in the World Showcase always have long lines for M&G. So again....nothing new here.
I for one welcome any changes Disney decides to make. They have sat on their laurels for far too long and changes are needed in all the parks....whether they "fit" or not.
FettFan
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If anyone else wants to chime in on why it's a bad idea, here's Tom Stagg's announcement page.
http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/bl...tion-coming-to-epcot/comment-page-2/#comments
http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/bl...tion-coming-to-epcot/comment-page-2/#comments
FettFan
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http://www.thepetitionsite.com/688/680/599/help-save-maelstrom-at-epcot/
So....theoretically you'd also be cool with them bulldozing Dumbo to build a meet and greet for the Budget Princesses? It could be like "Esmeralda's Gypsy Celebration" or some such.
So....theoretically you'd also be cool with them bulldozing Dumbo to build a meet and greet for the Budget Princesses? It could be like "Esmeralda's Gypsy Celebration" or some such.
DisneyRoy
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If it adds to their bottom line and increases the stock price, then good for them. That's what they're all about. They are a business after all. Now...my daughter would be devastated and I would have to deal with that fallout and would not relish it from that point of view.