Characters in Future World at Epcot

niteobsrvr

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I have read on the forums time and time again about how terrible everyone thinks it would be to introduce the Characters to Future World at Epcot. I however have to disagree and so I have started this thread to gather more opinions pro and con.

My personal opinion is that characters in FW, where appropriate to tell the story, would be a great asset to the park. For one, animated characters are timeless, for the most part, unlike human actors. The guys from Monsters, Inc. telling the story at the Universe of Energy would make the show much more entertaining than Ellen DeGeneres and Bill Nye playing Jeopardy. Afterall, how many of us really identify with Ellen or Bill anymore? Most live actors, for better or for worse, aren't timeless. Thus whatever message they are presenting fails to reach the audience completely if we no longer have an interest in that particular person.

Monsters, Inc was all about energy and how that world had to extract it from the children. It even plays in to the themes of conservation and environmental havoc. Afterall, its much harder to make a child laugh than scream but the benefits are so much greater. Same goes for using our natural resources.

I think the real difference is in how we as adults view cartoons. Unfortunately, as you grow up you are taught that cartoons aren't serious and are only for entertainment. If you want to tell a serious story you must have an appropriately serious actor.

However the lines between animation and real actors are changing. Personally, I dont see a big difference between Mike from Monsters and Ellen. Both are just acting and reading a script. Mike just needs a little help from a computer and an animator. I don't see too many complaining about Figment at Journey into Your Imagination. I wouldn't exactly call Captain EO a serious character either.

Likewise maybe the little Mermaid can make the story of the Living Seas much more personal for all of us than jsut fish in a tank. Nothing more personal than inhabitants who can talk even if they are animated. We all certainly felt sad for Bambi at that tragic moment in the forest when his mother was shot.

The entire point behind FW at Epcot was to educate. This can be done in a very serious manner, a fun manner, or better yet lets have some serious fun and learn a couple of things at the same time. Educators ahve proved itme and time again that children learn when they are having fun and the same can probably be said of adults too.
 

BRER STITCH

Well-Known Member
I love the two ideas you mentioned here!

Both Monsters, Inc. and Little Mermaid are good fits with the attractions you listed.

In addition, any new attraction could easily be designed to include familiar animated characters.

One thing I don't want to happen is Disney starting to make movies with the sole intent of turning them into attractions! How ironic would THAT be??
 

Fido

Member
Wait...am I missing something? I have some vacation tape I took dating back to '91 that shows the regulars (Micky, Minnie, Goofy, Donald, etc.) wearing wacky futuristic clothing hobnobbing with the guests in Future World. I haven't payed attention the last few times I've been there, but did they stop having the characters there after that?
As I said, maybe I'm in the dark about the original circumstances eluded to in this thread, so enlighten me please!

PS: I like the characters anywhere and everywhere. :)
 

historymystery

Account Suspended
First of all let me start off by saying that I agree with every idea of yours so far. Little Mermaid, Monsters Inc., and Bambi, etc.

Second I would like to tell Fido that yes they did take the characters out of Epcot.Once in a blue moon you might find a few at World Showcase if you are extremely lucky. Otherwise there are no characters at Epcot. That is what it is missing.

I also agree with the statement of Captain EO and Figment.:sohappy: :wave: :sohappy:
 

Fido

Member
"Second I would like to tell Fido that yes they did take the characters out of Epcot."

Wow I hadn't even noticed! That sucks. I thought it was really cool to have them strolling around in those retro-futuristic silver spacesuits! :lol:
 

MGM WDWFan

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This is a really interesting thought....I've been saying on a number of posts that FW is in desperate need of some updates (although SE is NOT included in this group!). One of the big problems that Epcot has is that the little kids are turned off to it. By introducing some of the characters, especially Little Mermaid to LS, I think FW could reap huge benefits. Also, this would create a great advertising opportunity and would give them something to sell in the gift shop downstairs that people might actually buy.

--MGM
 

TURKEY

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Originally posted by historymystery
First of all let me start off by saying that I agree with every idea of yours so far. Little Mermaid, Monsters Inc., and Bambi, etc.

Second I would like to tell Fido that yes they did take the characters out of Epcot.Once in a blue moon you might find a few at World Showcase if you are extremely lucky. Otherwise there are no characters at Epcot. That is what it is missing.

I also agree with the statement of Captain EO and Figment.:sohappy: :wave: :sohappy:


You can find characters on the double decker bus several times a day in FW and in WS. Check your times guide for hours and locations.
 

historymystery

Account Suspended
The more the better and yes fido it does suck. Go Stitch! I still think they should add characters as many as possible. Bring in the characters.
 

meeko_33785

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I think that both additions you mentioned (Little Mermaid, Monsters Inc.) would be great additions, but at the same time don't think everything at WDW should be character-orientated. If it works will with the vision of the pavillion, I think that's great, but something like adding Mr. Toad to Test Track or Toy Story to Wonders of Life (which is actually a rummor, have no idea why) I think they can do just as well having the area void of characters. I like having character themed attractions, but in moderation.

As for the chracters doing greetings at EPCOT, they are putting more of them in WS. EPCOT did certainly not take out all their characters.
 

SirNim

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Ehhh.... I prefer a more austere Future World... Fun, but not cartoony in any way... I have no problem with the Fab Five (or more) being there, like Mickey and Goofy and Donald and everyone, so long as they are dressed in their retro oldschool Spacesuits...

I think the newer characters belong at Magic Kingdom... The classic ones can come to FW... There are some exceptions, like LK friends at the Land, but ultimately, characters do not reallly fit in, in FW... Of course, FWs original purpose has slowly but surely dilapidated into what it is today, an automobile proving ground and the technology fair that is Innoventions... What more can be done to harm?
One character that shoulc be featured in FW, above all else, is Figment, for obvious reasons... But other than that, if they're (classic Fab Five) not wearing their Spacesuits, shoo them away!
 

Buford

New Member
We gotta remember that Figment and Dreamfinder were original characters - so was the HM, POTC, Tiki Room, Carousel of Progress and other awesome hit attractions that remain the most popular ones at the parks. I mean, if we stick to known characters only, Imagineers can't create anymore awesome original characters?
 

SirNim

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by OneLittleSpark
Gee, guys, I don't know. Remember that Figment and Dreamfinder were original characters - so was the HM, POTC, Tiki Room, Carousel of Progress and other hit classics that remain the most popular attractions at the parks. I mean, if we stick to known characters only, that'll reduce the ability for a great attraction, and lose a nice, original EPCOTy flavor...i.e. Journey into Imagination.

Walkarounds are great, but I'd hate to see a "regular" character (not being offensive to them) labeled on the pavilions...when we already have the attractions at MGM, Toontown and Fantasyland, etc...*shrug*
Exactly my point... when we try to fit characters into an attraction (or land) they were not designed to fit in, then the balance of what is right and what actually is shifts... Just like taking an already written and composed song and trying to stick it into an existing show (like Tropical Seranade)... When you do that, when you try to retrofit something to something with an entirely different purpose altogether, you lose a bit of the quality, much like if you continue to continue to continue to make photocopies of photocopies... ultimately you'll be left with a blank sheet of paper... You lose the quality of the attraction... Characters that were created FOR shows, during the show's actual production, or vice versa, are fine! That's the intent of the show (or the character)... There's some message there to get across that will be assisted with this character, or attraction, however you look at it... FW was not designed for characters... THe only characters that were DESIGNED FOR FW were Dreamfinder and Figment... Why do they fit? They were (are) original pieces of a puzzle... Try adding on pieces to a puzzly, after it is completed, and you see what I mean... If we have to rely on existing characters for new attractions, then the attractions becomes slaves to the character, of well, the character... The other way around is the way it should be...:)
 

Fido

Member
Considering what we're talking about here, take a look at the outside of Spaceship Earth sometime. The characters are taking over! *ducks*
:lookaroun :drevil: :lol:
 

meeko_33785

Well-Known Member
I'm not saying that the characters should take over Future World- far from it. Not all pavillions need them. However, I really think the two mentioned would be nice additions, especially the Little Mermaid one. Who better to explain the relationship between the sea and the world above than Ariel? Monsters Inc. might work if the script was right, but then again anything is better than what is at UOE now. This is not to say that every attraction needs characters, but I think there should be some. I mean, it's DISNEY World. People expect and want to see the characters they have come to know and love.
 

diegorivera2

New Member
I'm with Sir Nimajneb on this one; the feeling and experience at EPCOT was to be separate from the Magic Kingdom and the character experience just didn't translate into the original theme for the park. Now, that is not to say that they don't work with respect to WS; for example, Mary Poppins in the UK, also Winne the Pooh, Piglet, and Tigger in the UK, Aladdin and Jasmine in Morocco (not exactly correct, mind you), Belle and the Beast in France, also Quasimodo, Esmerelda, and Clopin in France, Gepetto and Pinocchio in Germany, Donald Duck and the Sauldos Amigos! birds in Mexico, etc. all fit wonderfully because of their repsective story settings. These literary and movie characters serve to remind us all of the stories they represent. Do I want to see Buzz Lightyear in FW? No, thanks. I know exactly where to find him in Tomorrowland. So -- my two cents? Unless they're original characters, like Dreamfinder and Figment or geographically relevant characters, keep 'em out.
 

niteobsrvr

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Original Poster
Originally posted by diegorivera2
Unless they're original characters, like Dreamfinder and Figment or geographically relevant characters, keep 'em out.

I have to ask here exactly why some people see Bill Nye the science guy, Ellen Degeneres, Alex Trebek or the several other actors who appear in FW as Original Characters?

I think it is important when telling the stories in each pavilion that the viewer be able to identify somehow with the host. If the host has become dated, then this becomes less and less likely. The addition of timeless characters, I believe would alleviate some of the datedness of the shows. While there are many timeless Disney live action movies, there are many many more timeless animated characters who have established themselves as a part of American culture. The animated characters are more likley to appeal to all ages and not just a portion of the guests who visit FW.

I would also venture to guess htat there are many many parents out there who would love to have more of a Disney feel at EPCOT so that their children aren't so bored. One has to realize that until children are ready to appreciate the educational messages at FW on their own merit, then at least having presenters they can identify with will keep their attention. The same can be said for adults too I have seen way more "older" folks get excited about the Disney characters than some children do. I also don't recall the last time I saw someone jump up and down screaming Ellen DeGeneres.

It is truly unfortunate that FW has beome outdated. It has fallen to the same lack of interest as the Wolrd's Fairs on which it was modeled. Now that Disney has recognized this, I think a total transfomation would be better than just slapping on a new coat of paint.
 

navrik

New Member
When did they remove characters from Future World? I have pictues of Mickey, Pooh, Eeyore, and Pluto just south of the big fountain taken in early 2001. They are in their standard costumes, not in future garb.
 

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