Cedar Point getting US first Tilt Coaster

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
So apparently reporting on exactly what happens is considered clickbait now?

The ride stranded passengers again and had to be evacuated. Fact.
This has happened several times leading up to this most recent time. Fact.
The ride has only been open to the public for several weeks now. Fact.
Nothing ever said about the ride or park being unsafe.
My point was more that things like this have happened in the past, the news didn't make a story of it. Didn't really report on it happening much. These news sites worked with the park to promote and had more positive stories to draw people to the park.
 

Baloo124

Premium Member
My point was more that things like this have happened in the past, the news didn't make a story of it. Didn't really report on it happening much. These news sites worked with the park to promote and had more positive stories to draw people to the park.
That is not the job of local news stations to be a free advertiser of only the positive aspects of local businesses.
My closest theme park is Dollywood. My local news station has run some very positive, flattering stories about the park and its reputation over the years. But when something goes wrong that is newsworthy, they are doing no service to the public to sweep it under the rug, so they report on it.

Same with Six Flags Over Georgia, my 2nd closest park.
Local Atlanta news stations have given plenty of positive coverage surrounding the park over the years. New ride announcements, festivals, etc.
But back in the early 2000s there was a new coaster called Deja Vu which had its share of breakdowns and closures... and the Atlanta news stations reported on it. Never once hinting the park or ride was a threat to safety, just letting the public know of reoccurring issues.

News being news is nothing new.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
That is not the job of local news stations to be a free advertiser of only the positive aspects of local businesses.
My closest theme park is Dollywood. My local news station has run some very positive, flattering stories about the park and its reputation over the years. But when something goes wrong that is newsworthy, they are doing no service to the public to sweep it under the rug, so they report on it.

Same with Six Flags Over Georgia, my 2nd closest park.
Local Atlanta news stations have given plenty of positive coverage surrounding the park over the years. New ride announcements, festivals, etc.
But back in the early 2000s there was a new coaster called Deja Vu which had its share of breakdowns and closures... and the Atlanta news stations reported on it. Never once hinting the park or ride was a threat to safety, just letting the public know of reoccurring issues.

News being news is nothing new.
Part of the problem is the way evacuations are presented as something going wrong. They’re also something going right. Most evacuations are the result of safety systems operating as they are supposed to and not taking a risk that could cause serious harm to riders. Déjá Vu (Six Flags’ last big purchase from Vekoma whose technology built towards Expedition Everest and Siren’s Curse) had issues because it required very precise alignment of sensors to ensure vehicles completed the track and would be caught by the lift carriages. What makes the incidents news worthy is that they are perceived as a problem. “Ride safety systems work as intended to keep riders safe” is never the headline.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Part of the problem is the way evacuations are presented as something going wrong. They’re also something going right. Most evacuations are the result of safety systems operating as they are supposed to and not taking a risk that could cause serious harm to riders. Déjá Vu (Six Flags’ last big purchase from Vekoma whose technology built towards Expedition Everest and Siren’s Curse) had issues because it required very precise alignment of sensors to ensure vehicles completed the track and would be caught by the lift carriages. What makes the incidents news worthy is that they are perceived as a problem. “Ride safety systems work as intended to keep riders safe” is never the headline.
I don’t disagree with what you’re saying but I guarantee you the news media and normal people aren’t going to look at the video I saw and say “Look. Everything’s going right!”
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
My point was more that things like this have happened in the past, the news didn't make a story of it. Didn't really report on it happening much. These news sites worked with the park to promote and had more positive stories to draw people to the park.
I recall some fool boasted that the media is the enemy ( unless if the media talks highly of the person ).
 

DKampy

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As someone who is nervous around coasters at times… but will do certain coasters when feeling brave… I would want to know this… it would be an automatic no-go for me

And yes this many times for a coaster… is too much… you need be especially careful over rollercoasters…. I know it is rare…. But people have died…. Probably why this the first tilt coaster since 2002
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
As someone who is nervous around coasters at times… but will do certain coasters when feeling brave… I would want to know this… it would be an automatic no-go for me

And yes this many times for a coaster… is too much… you need be especially careful over rollercoasters…. I know it is rare…. But people have died…. Probably why this the first tilt coaster since 2002
Once again, the technology that makes this work is the same types of technology that makes Expedition Everest work. It’s the first “Tilt Coaster” model from Vekoma in awhile but it’s not the first coaster to tilt since 2002. Harry Potter and the Escape from Gringotts at Universal Studios Florida tilts. Plenty of other roller coasters now have mid ride switches that rely on similar technologies, like Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind.
 

DKampy

Well-Known Member
Once again, the technology that makes this work is the same types of technology that makes Expedition Everest work. It’s the first “Tilt Coaster” model from Vekoma in awhile but it’s not the first coaster to tilt since 2002. Harry Potter and the Escape from Gringotts at Universal Studios Florida tilts. Plenty of other roller coasters now have mid ride switches that rely on similar technologies, like Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind.
Still…. I would want to know about evacuation issues on a coaster such as this over a RotR… as there seems to be a difference there…. Maybe a personal preference
 

networkpro

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
Still…. I would want to know about evacuation issues on a coaster such as this over a RotR… as there seems to be a difference there…. Maybe a personal preference

The velocity and height have something to do with it. Falling 3 feet off of a off of a motion base going 17 MPH is quite different than an elevated train.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Still…. I would want to know about evacuation issues on a coaster such as this over a RotR… as there seems to be a difference there…. Maybe a personal preference
Who is keeping track of how many times Expedition Everest has ever been evacuated?
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Does it get evacuated often? I don't remember ever hearing about it.
You’re highlighting the issue. Being told about something doesn’t mean it is occurring often. Expedition Everest visually obscures the same type of danger, but because it isn’t seen there isn’t a hyperbolic reaction to its evacuations.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
You’re highlighting the issue. Being told about something doesn’t mean it is occurring often. Expedition Everest visually obscures the same type of danger, but because it isn’t seen there isn’t a hyperbolic reaction to its evacuations.
Are you aware of frequent evacuations from Expedition Everest? I don’t understand why you brought it up.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Are you aware of frequent evacuations from Expedition Everest? I don’t understand why you brought it up.
Because it shows the “concern” about Siren’s Curse for what it is, ignorance and fear mongering. Expedition Everest is twice as “dangerous” but people aren’t talking about how it’s important for the news to publicize evacuations.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Because it shows the “concern” about Siren’s Curse for what it is, ignorance and fear mongering. Expedition Everest is twice as “dangerous” but people aren’t talking about how it’s important for the news to publicize evacuations.
Why is Everest twice as dangerous? What do you know about evacuations that aren't being publicized?

One could just as easily conclude that it isn't dangerous and doesn't get evacuated, at least not frequently.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Why is Everest twice as dangerous? What do you know about evacuations that aren't being publicized?

One could just as easily conclude that it isn't dangerous and doesn't get evacuated.
All of the concern about the tilt coaster is the tilt, which is does once. Expedition Everest has to lock the trains in place and switch a track twice. It’s the same technology. One you see with the train on the track, two are hidden in the dark. But it’s the same issue, if the train and track aren’t properly locked in place there are going to be some very serious injuries.

All rides get evacuated. The whole problem is people making easy conclusions based on what is publicized and not real data or knowledge about the systems involved.
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I know it is rare…. But people have died
You are more likely to die on the ride to the amusement park than on a ride.

Most fatalities are due to pre-existing conditions, not negligence. For instance, someone with a heart condition gets on, has a heart attack, and dies. Not any fault of the park or the roller coaster manufacturer.

Most cases where there is a ride malfunction are 1. traveling rides that are being taken apart and put together (those are the ones I will not do) and 2. Parks in countries that do NOT have as strict oversight as the US does.

Cedar Point is noted for their safety standards. Right up there with Disney and Universal.

You also forget that technology has improved exponentially since 2002, namely computer technology. Not only can designs be improved, but the safety systems are improved. Does this mean older rollercoasters are inherently dangerous? Absolutely not. But it means that newer coasters are even safer than they were in the past.
 

DKampy

Well-Known Member
You are more likely to die on the ride to the amusement park than on a ride.

Most fatalities are due to pre-existing conditions, not negligence. For instance, someone with a heart condition gets on, has a heart attack, and dies. Not any fault of the park or the roller coaster manufacturer.

Most cases where there is a ride malfunction are 1. traveling rides that are being taken apart and put together (those are the ones I will not do) and 2. Parks in countries that do NOT have as strict oversight as the US does.

Cedar Point is noted for their safety standards. Right up there with Disney and Universal.

You also forget that technology has improved exponentially since 2002, namely computer technology. Not only can designs be improved, but the safety systems are improved. Does this mean older rollercoasters are inherently dangerous? Absolutely not. But it means that newer coasters are even safer than they were in the past.
Never said I expect people would die…I do expect cedar would have safe practices….Still as someone who is not a thrill junkie(I am a Disney fan after all)but I will do a coaster if I feel safe and secure….being ride evac on a ride like this does not sound like a good time
 

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