News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[AidenRodriguez731]

No, it doesn't help.
The implication is that what is going to be done at WDW's Magic Kingdom will not be as bad as the image provided of Tokyo's attraction.
Therefore - it's ok

Looked for a few videos from the Tokyo queue, nothing seems out of the ordinary. It looks fine so idk what to tell you. I see no problem with it being there and I see no problem with the new Frontierland expansion as long as some minimal spacing is done to separate cars + the mansion

 

[Unbanshee]

I do believe they intentionally neglect attractions they know they are going to get rid of.

Not a good day for that theory

Missing Alioramus Returns to DINOSAUR Attraction With Restored Range of Motion

Walt Disney World has restored and fixed the Alioramus dino on the DINOSAUR ride at Disney's Animal Kingdom

blogmickey.com

 

[Architectural Guinea Pig]

Tokyo HM:

Strange but a charming retro vibe with Dumbo:

Sells the hidden mansion in the woods vibe, a higher sense of mystery:

 

[lazyboy97o]

Very possible. I'm just saying that the artwork doesn't immediately raise a red flag for me as if it is unplanned in this case.

You continue to intentionally misinterpret the released concept art. Which itself isn’t even an entirely accurate representation of what will be built. The view from Splash won’t be what you think, and the artwork doesn’t even show that it would be. But you don’t care because your mind has already been made up.

How is he misrepresenting it? It very clearly shows a big flat black roof right at what is now the south bend of the river.

 

[Fox&Hound]

One post responded meaningfully, and it seems to be inaccurate. Look at the concept art. The large load building is directly between the front of Splash and Piston, not off to the side. The description in the post is based on wishful thinking. What’s more, the drop is far from the only spot on Splash that offers an elevated view of what is now the RoA.

Perhaps the concept art is inaccurate. It often is. However, this is a VERY rare case of Disney building a new ride on a plot that is currently surrounded on three sides by guest areas. We can look, right now, at the spot the Cars ride will occupy. We can almost circle it. There is not a lot of room to hide the huge load building or obscure the ride itself. Folks arguing that this won’t interfere with three of MKs major rides aren’t assuming , they’re wishing.

So what exactly is your concern? That you will see the load building? Look at Seven Dwarves. You can walk entirely around that ride and it could not be any more charming on the outside if they tried. I think this will be just fine.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Tokyo's Haunted Mansion was intended to go along the Rivers of America as well, where BTMRR is now.

BTMRR opened at Disneyland and WDW during the planning and construction of Tokyo Disneyland. When OLC decided they wanted it too, Mansion was moved to another area of the park, shifting Small World's location as a result.

Like having a roof over Main Street, HM in Fantasyland behind Dumbo and across from Peter Pan was a decision unique to Tokyo Disneyland that was never replicated. While it served a practical purpose, it hurt park aesthetics.

It's not a good justification for repeating the same mistake 45 years later.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Tokyo's Haunted Mansion was intended to go along the Rivers of America as well, where BTMRR is now.

BTMRR opened at Disneyland and WDW during the planning and construction of Tokyo Disneyland. When OLC decided they wanted it too, Mansion was moved to another area of the park, shifting Small World's location as a result.

Like having a roof over Main Street, HM in Fantasyland behind Dumbo and across from Peter Pan was a decision unique to Tokyo Disneyland that was never replicated. While it served a practical purpose, it hurt park aesthetics.

It's not a good justification for repeating the same mistake 45 years later.

I guess I'm more so confused on what part of Haunted Mansion requires it to be on the Rivers of America

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Sells the hidden mansion in the woods vibe, a higher sense of mystery

That's only true from certain angles, not even the extended queue in-between it and Splash Mountain.

There's a wide sidewalk in front of the entrance that parades go by. It's not in either an isolated or picturesque location.

It's why most people only take pictures of it from a few spots.

Only curious foreigners deliberately include Dumbo to highlight the juxtaposition.

 

[peter11435]

How is he misrepresenting it? It very clearly shows a big flat black roof right at what is now the south bend of the river.

Yes, It shows a flat roof. But it won’t be visible to guests on TBA.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I guess I'm more so confused on what part of Haunted Mansion requires it to be on the Rivers of America

The facade, as designed, is supported by the river. It gives it a sense of place, figuratively and literally, allowing people to see it from a distance and establishing the time and setting for when the attraction takes place.

That's why just plopping the same building wherever, as done in Tokyo, doesn't have the same effect.

 

[WDWTrojan]

Poor Keys to the Kingdom tour guides gonna have to learn a new reconned story to tell their tour guests, as the current one tells them how Rivers of America is a journey through time and space, heading west from New England (Mansion), Philly, through the old west and starting in the 1700s at Mansion, through 1780s (Liberty Square), through the 1890s gold rush at BTM.

 

[JackCH]

I just think the Mansion is enough removed from the cars stuff that it’ll still blend more with Liberty Square than the Cars area.

It also may connect somehow with Villains later.

 

[Ayla]

Tokyo HM:

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Strange but a charming retro vibe with Dumbo:


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Sells the hidden mansion in the woods vibe, a higher sense of mystery:

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That looks awful.

 

[JoeCamel]

Poor Keys to the Kingdom tour guides gonna have to learn a new reconned story to tell their tour guests, as the current one tells them how Rivers of America is a journey through time and space, heading west from New England (Mansion), Philly, through the old west and starting in the 1700s at Mansion, through 1780s (Liberty Square), through the 1890s gold rush at BTM.

Nah, they will still tell the same story plus reminding you to watch your step lest.....

 

[MisterPenguin]

Knew I could count on you! So this was talked about back then...that was the era when I was mostly complaining about Avatarland and didn't read much else.

You need to diversify your complaints to keep up with everything!!!

 

[MisterPenguin]

Even so, the question then becomes if the backside of a group of anthropomorphic cars is significantly less harmful to the storytelling on Splash then an unthemed roof?

HM, Splash, and BTM were all DESIGNED to leverage the RoA. It’s integral to their aesthetic and narrative choices. There is no alteration you could make to MK that would impact as many headline attractions as replacing the RoA with a Cars ride. It would be unthinkable for a company that cared, even a little, about storytelling and theming.

HM, Splash, and BTM were indeed designed to be on the RoA.

That doesn't make it a sound choice with regard to theming.

RoA is the Mississippi with a Mississippi steam paddle boat. What does that have to do with Gothic New England, Reconstruction Georgia, or Gold Rush Arizona?

Sure, having a waterfront is always nice and picturesque, but they didn't put every attraction on a waterfront -- just the attractions that vaguely "frontierish" (altho, HM isn't even in Frontierland).

HM, a gothic upstate attraction, currently has a Mississippi riverboat going by it. Doesn't seem a stretch to have a National Park setting with off road vehicles going by.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

"Walt Disney always had a fascination with trains cars. Going back to his boyhood days in Marceline MO, when he would watch the trains cars go by down by the station NASCAR track. Walt even had a model railroad Hot Wheels raceway in his backyard called the Carolwood Pacific Lightning McQueen Ka-chow Pow Speedway. It's why the original Disneyland was built around a railroad Autopia. He also really loved Doc Hollywood and thought it would make a cool movie about talking cars."

- Future Tour Guides

 

[BrianLo]

I for one am looking forward to what Disney will eventually do with the placeholder ROA/ expansion pad at Disneyland? The possibilities are exciting. Someone over on the DL thread once armchair imagineer’d a Coco ride going right where the beautiful big pond/ Bear Country remnants of Mine Train Thru Natures Wonderland is. That sounds pretty good.

I don’t think anything with happen to Disneyland’s ROA again in our lifetime. Nor maybe Paris, but that’s because nothing happens in Paris.

Disneyland’s has already been shrunk and is a legitimate revenue generator thanks to Fantasmic dining packages. Plus for some reason you’d think it was completely different companies operating Disneyland v WDW. It’s amazing how far DLR will go to preserve things when WDW constantly acts like it has run out of space.

I think the complaints that WDW cannot seem to figure out how to expand are extremely valid and it’s getting tiresome how often we have to go back to this replacement well. Even if I’ve generally liked most of their replacements, such as MMRR.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Nor maybe Paris, but that’s because nothing happens in Paris.

I feel like if Paris changes anything about the river it will be very cheap and out of place.

Like random Pixar character statues along the river to make it more "Disney" or part of some festival that stick around after

 

[BrianLo]

I feel like if Paris changes anything about the river it will be very cheap and out of place.

Like random Pixar character statues along the river to make it more "Disney" or part of some festival that stick around after

Definitely and even more so than WDW or DL they have Big Thunder already occupying the island.

I think the likeliest ‘doomsday’ scenario for Paris is the riverboat is parked and the back end of the river is filled in. But the front end seems pretty locked to me.

I do very much suspect Japan’s River announcement is semi imminent.