Carousel of Progress refurb?

[Purduevian]

I know this is way off topic... but I always wondered what would happen if they added LLMP to COP. Obviously no one that actually knows anything would get a LLMP for COP... but I wonder if it would drive more foot traffic to the attraction:

1) People will book it because it will be "available now" all the time. Even if they don't know what it is. These people will now ride it
2) Like it or not... many people only look at the LL page when looking at attractions... This would put it on their list
3) The perceived "higher tier" attraction to the general audience

I assume this is why philharmagic, muppets (RIP), and Pixar Film fest all have LLs

 

[ToTBellHop]

This is an absurd rumor, honestly. 1960s Imagineers we still revere would have designed an attraction with inaccessible motors? C’mon.

If you want to make up rumors, make them plausible. You’d get more mileage from “Disney is too cheap to replace the motors” although even that doesn’t pass the smell test in an attraction that received updates just last year.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Again, it sounds like you're making an assumption, not talking from expertise here.

No, it’s that I don’t have a list of exact dates when they were replaced, as though that’s somehow necessary here. The fact that they have been replaced is what’s important.

 

[castlecake2.0]

I know this is way off topic... but I always wondered what would happen if they added LLMP to COP. Obviously no one that actually knows anything would get a LLMP for COP... but I wonder if it would drive more foot traffic to the attraction:

1) People will book it because it will be "available now" all the time. Even if they don't know what it is. These people will now ride it
2) Like it or not... many people only look at the LL page when looking at attractions... This would put it on their list
3) The perceived "higher tier" attraction to the general audience

I assume this is why philharmagic, muppets (RIP), and Pixar Film fest all have LLs

Fun fact, your idea existed, somewhat. Some kiosks used to distribute "surprise FP" for less attended/high capacity attractions, including COP.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Fun fact, your idea existed, somewhat. Some kiosks used to distribute "surprise FP" for less attended/high capacity attractions, including COP. View attachment 870640View attachment 870641

No reason MDE couldn’t push messages to guests with LL with a “free” LL to an attraction with current availability. You know, the rides you see available immediately? Those end up not being used right now but would increase value in LLMP.

 

[Purduevian]

No reason MDE couldn’t push messages to guests with LL with a “free” LL to an attraction with current availability. You know, the rides you see available immediately? Those end up not being used right now but would increase value in LLMP.

At least at COP... they would need to actually have a physical LL lane and an extra CM. I just wonder if this would add enough interest in the ride to justify the CMs salary.

 

[ToTBellHop]

At least at COP... they would need to actually have a physical LL lane and an extra CM. I just wonder if this would add enough interest in the ride to justify the CMs salary.

Even without that, perhaps just a reminder that it is a thing at the first rumble of thunder daily right now? Its GSATs are quite good among those who ride, especially in the summer.

 

[Sweet tears]

Again, from the tweet thread


This is just a voice on the Internet, but I wish I knew why I should trust the voices here. Also "Motors can be ... replaced" sounds vague to me. I know replaceable motors exist, but what about this particular facility? If someone here knew CoP cast members, things could make more sense.

It’s likely that Disney has people on staff that have the skill set to rebuild the existing motors as well if replacements aren’t readily available.

 

[Sweet tears]

Fun fact, your idea existed, somewhat. Some kiosks used to distribute "surprise FP" for less attended/high capacity attractions, including COP. View attachment 870640View attachment 870641

I’ll bet you were surprised.

 

[Advisable Joseph]

It’s likely that Disney has people on staff that have the skill set to rebuild the existing motors as well if replacements aren’t readily available.

The claim in the tweets is not about finding replacements.

It is that the show was designed for the motors to be replaced during major overhauls: enough motors were supposedly built-in so that it could operate with several of its motors broken, enabling it to last until a total overhaul, probably saving construction costs over making the motors more easily accessible as an engineering trade-off, which might be a problem if too few guests see the show to justify the cost of an overhaul.

 

[peter11435]

The claim in the tweets is not about finding replacements.

It is that the show was designed to the motor replaced during major overhauls: enough motors were supposedly built-in so that it could operate with several of its motors broken, enabling it to last until a total overhaul, probably saving construction costs over making the motors more easily accessible as an engineering trade-off, which might be a problem if too few guests see the show to justify the cost of an overhaul.

The claim in the tweets has no basis in reality.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

I bet the same thing was confidently stated about ROA and TSI.

MK's RoA and TSI weren't Walt's, though. They've shown time and time again that they operate differently when it comes to one of Walt's actual things. Clones do not count in this.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

The historical significance angle didn’t save MV3D.

MV3D isn't nearly as historically significant as CoP, though. Not to the company and not to the world at large.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

Again, it sounds like you're making an assumption, not talking from expertise here.

It doesn't take a genius to determine that it isn't running with all of the original parts it had when it opened. Not a single attraction at WDW or DL either one is.

 

[doctornick]

MV3D isn't nearly as historically significant as CoP, though. Not to the company and not to the world at large.

I think it’s important to not only consider the “only thing at WDW touched by Walt” aspect but also that it was one of the actual Disney designed World’s Fair attractions. That doesn’t mean it won’t ever go away but there is certainly a higher bar due to history than pretty much anything else at WDW.

 

[lazyboy97o]

MK's RoA and TSI weren't Walt's, though. They've shown time and time again that they operate differently when it comes to one of Walt's actual things. Clones do not count in this.

I think it’s important to not only consider the “only thing at WDW touched by Walt” aspect but also that it was one of the actual Disney designed World’s Fair attractions. That doesn’t mean it won’t ever go away but there is certainly a higher bar due to history than pretty much anything else at WDW.

Except that the connection to Walt is more marketing fluff than a genuine connection. As Martin notes (below) in the other thread, only select parts were brought over. The scenes and dialogue have also been significantly altered twice for the Magic Kingdom. The giant model that made up the grand finale at Disneyland was cut down and is now sitting along the PeopleMover. In some ways the current show is more Fantasia 2000 than Fantasia, something where Walt would recognize the lineage and format but also quite different from what he produced for New York or Disneyland.

Only select props and figures came over in 75. Not much to ship back. Regardless, the Anaheim building won’t spin again.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

I had sort of been wondering how much, if any, of the original World's Fair version was still present in the current iteration. I went and checked some of the old photos and video recordings of the original World's Fair CoP. There is definitely plenty that is clearly different of course, like the Father and dog AA's and such (not sure about the more minor figures in the rotating side rooms). And the sets have some degree of structural differences since the walls and floors presumably were rebuilt instead of being transported. And of course the biggest difference is the final scene. But many of the props and furnishings in the prior three scenes appear to be the same as that original show. I don't know whether they're reproductions or actually original prop pieces, but I would assume probably mostly the latter.

I kind of assumed the entirety of WDW's COP was just completely unique and different from the original. But I was surprised to see how much does appear to have been preserved from that first original version.

I still don't think ANY of this will actually mean much if someone up top wants rid of it though.