WorldExplorer
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They'd replace it with whatever happens to be selling more toys that week. Theme is dead. Put Frozen in there.
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Rumor Carousel of Progress in Trouble?
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Andrew25
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The only way I see CoP getting a proper refurbishment is if they can find a way to increase ridership. The only concept I can think of that isn't just a simple refresh or IP-focused show, is a show hosted by Walt Disney utilizing the new animatronic in different forms.
I think this is a good balance between keeping the CoP's original purpose (showing progress) and bringing a fresh new reason to experience it (aka target the guests who don't necessarily know what CoP is)
I think this is a good balance between keeping the CoP's original purpose (showing progress) and bringing a fresh new reason to experience it (aka target the guests who don't necessarily know what CoP is)
JMcMahonEsq
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I have to wonder, would you really be targeting guests who don't know what CoP is, by that type of show?
I mean instead of it being geared towards progress of the American home, you would instead be focusing on the progress/development of the company. Is that something younger generations are going to be all that interested in? You would be having a show dedicated to things that happened 100yrs ago (per your Act 1) and then moving "forward" to still 80 or 70 years in the past. I guess i just wonder is there really audience interested in that type of nostalgia, that wouldn't already been interested in CoP in its present form?
OrlandoRising
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Can we just not? People are allowed to disagree with you or your level of hyperbole without being deemed a "corporate shill."
It's obvious that to get major Imagineering projects approved these days, Disney expects them to be tied to some movie or TV IP. If people are discussing possibilities in that vein, I think they're just accepting reality, rather than *advocating* for newer IP to replace everything.
JMcMahonEsq
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Well leaving aside the fact that in any business, industry, or really with any question, thinking with nostalgia and emotion instead of logic and reason isn't too smart, it seems silly that WDW wouldn't consider at some point the replacement of CoP as opposed to just fixing it.
I mean the ride is now what, basically 60+ years old? I can't think of too many entertainment/public offerings anywhere, that remain unchanged for 60 years. Society changes, what people like, want to experience, are interested in, changes. At some point in time, you have to ask, is what we came up with back in the 1960's still what people want to see/enjoy 60/70/80 years later? And if you are looking at reduction in people using/visiting the offering, and needing to spend money on repair/maintenance/upkeep. There comes a time that something new is the better option.
There is also the specific problem with this ride, as opposed to just the general debate above about old vs new offerings, that i am not sure how easy it is to "update" the CoP. Fix, sure, despite the craziness that this post started with, i am pretty sure replacing a motor or the other mechanical components of the ride shouldn't be that difficult. I think updating it becomes problematic. Currently i believe you have the 3 scenes of i think turn of the century, 20's, 40's, and then the last scene. When the ride was first created in the 60's that represented only a 20 year gap between your third scene and the "present/future". Now you have an 80 year gap in time. The ride to me feels almost disjointed because of that. 3/4 of the ride covers 40 years, and your last cut scene jumps 80 years. How do you fix that? I mean while the last scene almost "feels" 80's to me, its supposed to be your present day time. Given the nature of the ride, it would seem hard/impossible to build in acts/room scenes to fill in the gap between the 40's and today. Not without almost a complete rebuild (and potentially creating too long of a ride from a modern theme park visitor to enjoy.) I guess you could start later, instead of the 20's start in the 40's 70's 00's and today???? But that's losing out on a lot of the original CoP that you seem to trying to save. So what do you do? Do you just keep doing an update to the final room, to where very quickly your going to be looking at 40yrs of progress for your first 3 scenes, and then a 100year jump to the last one?
Tha Realest
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After seeing the video of the new Walt Disney AA, disregard my earlier suggestion he be added to the fourth act. The vintage COP Johns look more authentic.
Smiley/OCD
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Yup, I don’t EVER remember Walt looking that “full” in the face…
SteveAZee
Premium Member
1900's, 1960's, 2020's, and near future, which gets updated every 10 or so years. Keep the current 'turn of the century' and scrounge up the original 1960's final scene, create a contemporary scene, and then imagineer a final futuristic scene.
Tha Realest
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Byproduct of the cryogenic freezing process.
Ice Gator
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it’ll become the preview center for Pixar’s Hopperz
then after that film underperforms due to 0 marketing
it’ll stay there for 3 years, shut down and sit abandoned for 5 more with seasonal meet and greets (i’m looking at you launch bay)
Brer Panther
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I just realized - with Splash Mountain being removed, if they take out Carousel of Progress too that'll completely remove Jess Harnell's voice from the park!
Not the resort as a whole - he's still heard as Marlin in the Seas With Nemo and Friends at EPCOT, but that's about it.
Not the resort as a whole - he's still heard as Marlin in the Seas With Nemo and Friends at EPCOT, but that's about it.
TrainsOfDisney
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You can’t?
It’s a small world, Peter Pan, carousel, dumbo, teacups, steam train, jungle cruise, treehouse. Mansion and Pirates will be 60 soon!
Mr. Sullivan
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Yes, but most of them have gone through some changes in those 60 years. Some minor, some major, but of them the only two that are pretty much the same as they were are the teacups and the train. The rest have seen their fair share of evolution.
JMcMahonEsq
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To add to that, any time there has been some major work needed, or some structural work (not talking about replacing light bulbs or fixing a singe broken animatronic, the trend has been to move away from the original ride in some form.
Malestrom was replaced with Frozen. Not fixed or updated.
Splash was replace with Tianna, not fixed, and not updated to just remove some aspects of the ride.
The most recent PotC ride wasn't built based upon the old model, but was created not only using new IP but new technology too. The ride in China is not very similar to that of the older models here in the US.
So if there is going to be a need to inject significant funds into CoP to replace motors ect., I don't think its a slam dunk that they keep the ride in perpetuity, at least not in its present form.
TrainsOfDisney
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So has COP.
OrlandoRising
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But unlike (almost?) all of the other attractions mentioned, Carousel of Progress is tied to the real world, rather than simply fantasy or a fantasized past, so not having a significant update in 30+ years is noticeable in a way where it wouldn't be on those other rides.
TrainsOfDisney
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They are all tied to the real world - but specific times.
Which is why it’s probably best to pick a finale and stick with it. For COP
Maybe they'll re-skin it to an Olivia Rodrigo show. A couple of scenes dedicated to her Disney Channel era and a couple of more showcasing her musical legacy.