Buzz SRS problem!

[Figment632]

Ok I'm not the biggest fan of this ride anymore because I think TSM makes it look very dated. However that is not my problem. My problem is that I don't think fastpass should be offered at this attraction any longer. I understand SRS is still popular but I think the main reason for long waits is FP. I like FP and understand the need for rides like SM EE TOT and even TSM. I don't know if SRS is considered an omnimover but if there was no FP I think the line would be constsnly moving due to the way it is loaded.

What do you think?

 

[Expo_Seeker40]

I agree, all omnimover rides should ditch fastpass...buzz would be a constantly moving queue just like Seas with Nemo, SSE, etc. :wave:

 

[DisneyMusician2]

Even if Buzz looks dated, the crowds are still huge when I am there. The FP does really help traffic in this area. I can't see why they would get rid of it.

If properly executed, FP does not slow down lines excessively, and the absence of FP at BuzZ would probably not significantly cut wait times being as it is an omnimover anyway

 

[Figment632]

Even if Buzz looks dated, the crowds are still huge when I am there. The FP does really help traffic in this area. I can't see why they would get rid of it.

If properly executed, FP does not slow down lines excessively, and the absence of FP at BuzZ would probably not significantly cut wait times being as it is an omnimover anyway

I totaly dissagree with you I understand that it is popular but there would not be nearly as long waits if they did away with FP. SSE line even if it looks long us constantly moving same with the HM and that I'd probaly why they did away with FP for HM. The line would be constantly moving all the FP does is cause large wait times no matter how it is executed on SRS.

 

[albino_pygmy]

FP should be taken out of all continuous load rides, including SRS. Peter Pan anyone? FP has killed that attraction for me.

 

[DisneyMusician2]

I totaly dissagree with you I understand that it is popular but there would not be nearly as long waits if they did away with FP. SSE line even if it looks long us constantly moving same with the HM and that I'd probaly why they did away with FP for HM. The line would be constantly moving all the FP does is cause large wait times no matter how it is executed on SRS.

I simply don't belive that FP raises wait times that much if properly exectued on ANY attraction. I think that FP helps disperse crowds more than people give it credit for.

The lines on Buzz aren't created by FP alone, and I think that it wouldn't change the wait times significantly at all. Is it necessary? That is debatable, I suppose. But I don't think you would see more than five minutes difference.

It would be cool to run an experiment, though, if it were possible.

 

[albino_pygmy]

I simply don't belive that FP raises wait times that much if properly exectued on ANY attraction. I think that FP helps disperse crowds more than people give it credit for.

The lines on Buzz aren't created by FP alone, and I think that it wouldn't change the wait times significantly at all. Is it necessary? That is debatable, I suppose. But I don't think you would see more than five minutes difference.

It would be cool to run an experiment, though, if it were possible.

True, but I'm sure you'll say differently when you've actually had to physically work in an attraction that has FP. Not everyone working there will properly execute FP for the most part because they're sick and tired of dealing with FP and could just care less about it. Also, there were several times Pirates broke down and had to be evac'd and they all handed the riders a re-admission ticket to be used as a FP, guess where they ALL went? Jungle Cruise, of course! Now we have our already long FP line get twice as long as the standby, and we're all telling them to go wait in the standby line, because it's a 15 minute wait compared to an approx. 30 minute wait in FP, but they don't listen and insist on using the FP line because it's "faster" and then whine what took them so long. :hammer:

Just for grins I did a couple attractions in Fantasyland, and one of those with Snow White's. Ok, so the line looked long, but there was no FP, and it was constantly moving at a steady pace. The sign said 45 minutes. I stood in line under 20 minutes. Now, we'll head over to Peter Pan's. Sign said 60 minutes, line looked short, so I figured probably a 30 minute wait or so, and I know of FP here. I stood in the same spot for nearly 20 minutes alone, and then I moved a whole 5 feet before stopping for another 20 minute wait standing still. They did this just so they could cater to those with FP, and even those in the FP line were waiting at least 20 minutes. I can remember this attraction always having a long line before the dreaded FP system was introduced in the parks, but the line was always constantly moving, and was never more than 45 minutes. I'd much rather wait in a constantly moving line rather than at a stand still just so others can cut ahead.

 

[WDWCPF98]

I don't understand your logic. It's the number of guests deciding to ride an attraction that increases the wait. Not whether or not the attraction has FP. Think of it this way: All those guests that got to the attraction ahead of you to pick up a FP would still be ahead of you, but only waiting in line with you. Your total wait time would be the same.

 

[Figment632]

I don't understand your logic. It's the number of guests deciding to ride an attraction that increases the wait. Not whether or not the attraction has FP. Think of it this way: All those guests that got to the attraction ahead of you to pick up a FP would still be ahead of you, but only waiting in line with you. Your total wait time would be the same.

It's like when you order at a deli counter. If your local supermarket had one long line for deli orders you would have the same wait time than if your supermarket had a system where you grab a number at the counter.[/QUOTEcomes

The line comes to a hault on SRS when the FP line is moving, that is what causes huge wait times. SRS is a constantly moving attraction without FP even if the line looks long and if a lot of people decide to ride the wait won't be that bad because once again it is a constantly moving attraction.

 

[jakeman]

True, but I'm sure you'll say differently when you've actually had to physically work in an attraction that has FP. Not everyone working there will properly execute FP for the most part because they're sick and tired of dealing with FP and could just care less about it.

That is a management and training issue, not a FP system issue. I can say that because I have worked on a FP attraction. The complaints about FP have never, to my knowledge had more than antidotial evidence to support the claim that FP hinders wait times overall.

 

[albino_pygmy]

Better example. I was there the day the newly refurbished HM opened up, lines were loooong, the sign out front said 60 minutes. It took 15 minutes to get through the line, and believe me, I thought it was going to be an hour. Had FP still be there, you would be looking at 2 hours for standby, and 30 minutes for FP. Why can't we just go back to waiting our turn in line the old fashion way so there's no more stress about how FP works, when to use it, and how FP ruins your perfectly planned schedule. I've heard it all, and think tearing FP out of the parks would be best for everyone.

 

[albino_pygmy]

That is a management and training issue, not a FP system issue. I can say that because I have worked on a FP attraction. The complaints about FP have never, to my knowledge had more than antidotial evidence to support the claim that FP hinders wait times overall.

Which attraction did you work for?

When I did FP, I made sure I followed the rules, and was very strict with the FP tickets. I've always had a large group of people wait in front of the FP entrance counting down their time to when their 1 hour window opens up. I get yelled at all the time "Why can't you let us in early? It's only 10 minutes" Yeah, 10 minutes 'til your time frame starts, and even then, I don't have to let you in right away because it's good for an hour. Now, would you like to wait paitently here, or go do something for 10+ minutes and come back later? They all wait right in front of moe and crowd the FP entrance. I remember this always p'd off the skips and they're like "Why don't you just let them in?" Because that's not how FP works. I always love the days when FP goes down and we have it closed. I've heard several comments about how they'd normally get an FP now, but realize the 20 minute wait wasn't as bad as they thought. Why? Because the line was constantly moving because we didn't have to stop them to let FP on first all the time.

 

[One Ladle Spork]

In my opinion, part of the problem people have with Fastpass is that a 45 minute line that constantly moves "feels" shorter than a 45 minute line with a lot of dead stops.

In theory, as long as it is administered properly, I think FP ought to make lines more efficient over the course of a day because it evenly distributes people who want to experience the attraction throughout the day.

 

[albino_pygmy]

But FP is hardly administered properly. There are so many variables in the system that could easily create flaws in it, such as training and managment, to guests abusing the system, and nearby ride evacs. I've seen so many times when we're slammed at the jungle, we set the FP ticket distrubution to a lower number so that it doesn't affect both lines as much, and I'm sure other attractions do the same too. This explains why FP tickets run out quickly at popular attractions, or wonder why you got an FP return time of 5pm - 6pm at 10 in the morning.

 

[Figment632]

Better example. I was there the day the newly refurbished HM opened up, lines were loooong, the sign out front said 60 minutes. It took 15 minutes to get through the line, and believe me, I thought it was going to be an hour. Had FP still be there, you would be looking at 2 hours for standby, and 30 minutes for FP. Why can't we just go back to waiting our turn in line the old fashion way so there's no more stress about how FP works, when to use it, and how FP ruins your perfectly planned schedule. I've heard it all, and think tearing FP out of the parks would be best for everyone.

Exactly my point the line for these rides look long but really aren't that bad. While I was there last week the line for nemo was out past the statues of nemo and friends and it was a 20 min wait at the most. If there was FP it would have been an hour.

If FP doesn't affect omnimover rides then why did they get rid of the FP for HM and why isn't there one for SSE or Nemo?

 

[WIX]

My stand-by posting stated 90 minutes for TSM, I was at the front of the line in 55 minutes. FP was moving and yes, you felt the stoppages in this particular line, but with this really cool queue, who cares. Had I not had dining reservations, I would have jumped right back into that line and waited all over again.

I do believe in getting rid of the FP completely. Other lines have stoppages in the lines due to FP that would not be there otherwise. Another poster mentioned that the line would be the same. I disagree and the reason is that all of those people would not necessarily wait in the line. All of the people taking the FP will come back to ride, but others would see the stand-by line and pass on standing in it. Therefore, alleviating some of the length on some of the lines. Not all, but some.

 

[Figment632]

My stand-by posting stated 90 minutes for TSM, I was at the front of the line in 55 minutes. FP was moving and yes, you felt the stoppages in this particular line, but with this really cool queue, who cares. Had I not had dining reservations, I would have jumped right back into that line and waited all over again.

I do believe in getting rid of the FP completely. Other lines have stoppages in the lines due to FP that would not be there otherwise. Another poster mentioned that the line would be the same. I disagree and the reason is that all of those people would not necessarily wait in the line. All of the people taking the FP will come back to ride, but others would see the stand-by line and pass on standing in it. Therefore, alleviating some of the length on some of the lines. Not all, but some.

There is no problem with the FP in TSM the problem is with SRS

 

[Monty]

I use FPs regularly and would be disappointed if they were removed. I also shop and spend money while waiting for my FP time. I'm fairly sure Disney likes FPs as well.

Disney has won awards for their ability to manage the flow of guests, partly as a result of their use of FPs on rides. I'm certainly not going to suggest that I know how to do it better.

 

[Figment632]

I use FPs regularly and would be disappointed if they were removed. I also shop and spend money while waiting for my FP time. I'm fairly sure Disney likes FPs as well.

Disney has won awards for their ability to manage the flow of guests, partly as a result of their use of FPs on rides. I'm certainly not going to suggest that I know how to do it better.

People are missing the point of this thread I love fastpass I just think it should be removed from SRS not removed completly.

 

[Chape19714]

Problem being as soon as the line climbs over 20 minutes, they want a FP. Go stand in front of Pirates, Great Movie Ride, Nemo etc. when the line is over 20 minutes and just listen. Buzz would probally still reach over 20 minute waits without Fastpass.