Bus wait times

jaklgreen

Well-Known Member
BigRedDad, when was your stay with the bus issue? I have stayed at POR and many other resorts over the last 20 years and have never seen this kind of issue. I have never been asked to get off of the bus to load and ECV or any of the other issues that you had. To be clear, I am not saying that I don't believe you, just curious as to what time of year you were there.
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
Like the idea, but sadly its cheaper for Disney to just tell us that buses come every 20 minutes.
Well they already have electronic boards at nearly all resort bus stops that provide real-time estimates of when the next bus will arrive. So they have already moved past simply saying every 20 minutes.
 

parkhopper1213

Active Member
Well they already have electronic boards at nearly all resort bus stops that provide real-time estimates of when the next bus will arrive. So they have already moved past simply saying every 20 minutes.
You are right about the boards at the resorts. However, we recently stayed there and they didn't follow the board information. In the course of 15 minutes 3-4 buses arrived for all of the other parks. When we asked Disney what's going on the response we got was, "Buses come every 20 minutes."
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
You are right about the boards at the resorts. However, we recently stayed there and they didn't follow the board information. In the course of 15 minutes 3-4 buses arrived for all of the other parks. When we asked Disney what's going on the response we got was, "Buses come every 20 minutes."
I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say here. I'm guessing you saw buses for all parks except the one you needed. What was the sign displaying for the bus you needed?
 

parkhopper1213

Active Member
I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say here. I'm guessing you saw buses for all parks except the one you needed. What was the sign displaying for the bus you needed?
Sorry if I sounded confusing. While waiting for a bus to the Magic Kingdom (per the schedule) it looked like the bus was going to be packed. There were already several scooters and the cue was getting full. As we waited 15 minutes for the bus we saw 3-4 buses each for Epcot, Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom. There was no flexibility to change one of those buses out to help with the large crowd waiting to go to Magic Kingdom.
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
Sorry if I sounded confusing. While waiting for a bus to the Magic Kingdom (per the schedule) it looked like the bus was going to be packed. There were already several scooters and the cue was getting full. As we waited 15 minutes for the bus we saw 3-4 buses each for Epcot, Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom. There was no flexibility to change one of those buses out to help with the large crowd waiting to go to Magic Kingdom.
Yeah the flexibility exists on the park side not the resort. Buses are all based at a park hub. So a group of buses and drivers is all part of the Epcot hub for example. As buses return to Epcot they are dispatched to a resort stop as needed. Once the bus heads to that resort it will always return to its hub park.

So a single bus may leave Epcot and go to port Orleans and then when it returns to Epcot it will then be dispatched to a different resort as needed. But it will always be an Epcot bus.
 

parkhopper1213

Active Member
Yeah the flexibility exists on the park side not the resort. Buses are all based at a park hub. So a group of buses and drivers is all part of the Epcot hub for example. As buses return to Epcot they are dispatched to a resort stop as needed. Once the bus heads to that resort it will always return to its hub park.

So a single bus may leave Epcot and go to port Orleans and then when it returns to Epcot it will then be dispatched to a different resort as needed. But it will always be an Epcot bus.
Thanks for clarifying. Seems like they should run where they are needed the most.
 

DVC4bestvacations

Well-Known Member
We stayed at OKW 12/15-12/26. The arrival time displays never seemed accurate. Although we never had any long waits from OKW the wait times leaving the parks were almost always an issue. (no matter what time of day)
 

parkhopper1213

Active Member
Just thinking some more about a bus app. That app is not going to tell you how full the waiting area is and whether or not there are scooters (and accompanying family members) waiting for the bus. You may still have to wait for another bus in 20 minutes before you can go anywhere.
 

JS514

Well-Known Member
Didn't make a difference because the POR buses NEVER got better and we were stuck with it if we didn't use POFQ.

Funny you say that, because we had the same exact problem, but vice versa. We were always waiting like that for POFQ. One day at Epcot, it was pouring down rain and the covered structure we were standing underneath to wait on the bus was leaking incredibly. While we didn't have as bad of an experience as you did (loading, then unloading, etc), we DID wait about 50 minutes for our bus (while getting soaked). It was so bad that at least 6 others groups went and paid for a taxi. I've come to understand on other trips, though, that sometimes it is just plain bad luck. We didn't have great bus service that week at POFQ, but some friends of mine say their stay at POFQ had the best bus service they've ever had. I think it just all depends on the day/driver/crowds. Although, I do think they could get better.
 

BigRedDad

Well-Known Member
I stopped drinking the Koolaid. I know how the buses should run and have run before. One horrible experience is more than enough to end any love for it. On a 7 day, 6 night stay, losing an entire day of the vacation because of bus delays is ridiculous. If someone else is OK with losing about $400 just to sit/stand and wait, then that is their right to believe it is OK. That POR trip told me to try offsite and drive. I will bet my house on it that if you stay at POR and I stay at WBC, we leave our rooms at the same time, I will beat you to every park every single time.
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
f you were that angry did you let the "director" know and if so what was the response. Did you let customer service management know and what was the response?

This is my biggest pet peeve of these boards.... Some posters insistence that it is the customers responsibility to demand good customer service. And by not doing so, you are somehow to blame for the bad experience. It is up to Disney to provide good service. Gee whiz.

I have never been asked to get off of the bus to load and ECV

I have seen this many times. Bus is pretty full, ECV comes, seats get taken, you get up, wait for next bus. Sorry not sorry.

We stayed at OKW 12/15-12/26. The arrival time displays never seemed accurate. Although we never had any long waits from OKW the wait times leaving the parks were almost always an issue. (no matter what time of day)

I have found those boards to be largely useless. The wait times always slide back and back and back to the point that it becomes, well, pointless. "Your bus will be arriving at 8:16....8:19....8:24.....8:29.... and so on.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
This is my biggest pet peeve of these boards.... Some posters insistence that it is the customers responsibility to demand good customer service. And by not doing so, you are somehow to blame for the bad experience. It is up to Disney to provide good service. Gee whiz.
I wasn't blaming the customer for the bad experience, I was simply asking if they reported it and what the response was. That is not saying the it's the customers responsibility to provide good service, but, it is their responsibility to make sure that bad service is made known. There are some 70,000 employees at WDW. Do we think that they can be aware of all those employees in remote sections of the property doing the wrong thing? If it was indeed the wrong thing, There might have been a reason why it happened that way, however, it might just not have been one that the "customer" accepted as a good answer.
I have seen this many times. Bus is pretty full, ECV comes, seats get taken, you get up, wait for next bus.
That goes beyond policy and starts skirting into the law. ADA is specific about priority ridership and people with disabilities, whether we can see those disabilities or not, have priority. There is a location, usually two, in any bus that normally takes up three seats each. One of the reasons, other then it is easier to load a chair or mobility device without people in the way, that they load them first when they can, is because the law is written so that if a person comes up, even after the bus is full, and there is a handicapped location available, according to the law they cannot be denied access. Therefore, yes, there are times when that will happen, thankfully not often because it isn't a pleasant thing to deal with.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I know why they don't make a mobile app for bus wait times. It's because they are not exact, what if the bus driver got all of the green lights and made better time. Picture this... Dad looks at his app and it says the bus for MK is not coming for 12 minutes so the family hangs out in the room a couple of extra minutes, the bus got there 2 minutes early and as the family walks up thinking they still had 2 minutes, watched as the bus drives away. Now how P!$$&$ off would that Dad be and go straight to guest services demanding all kinds of crap.

This is like the 'no bag lines will never work' arguments. They ignore the system already exists and is in successful use elsewhere. Sorry... it does work and people accept the amount of precision achieved.
 

jaklgreen

Well-Known Member
That goes beyond policy and starts skirting into the law. ADA is specific about priority ridership and people with disabilities, whether we can see those disabilities or not, have priority. There is a location, usually two, in any bus that normally takes up three seats each. One of the reasons, other then it is easier to load a chair or mobility device without people in the way, that they load them first when they can, is because the law is written so that if a person comes up, even after the bus is full, and there is a handicapped location available, according to the law they cannot be denied access. Therefore, yes, there are times when that will happen, thankfully not often because it isn't a pleasant thing to deal with.

Isn't there a difference between being denied boarding and this bus is full, wait for the next? I have seen where people have had to get up off of the seats where they park the the wheelchairs/scooters to make room and those people then had to stand. I have never seen the whole bus get off and have to wait for the next one because they loaded a scooter family. We are not talking about mass public transportation here but a courtesy ride to a theme park. I know if I was getting older and walking was a bit of an issue for me enough to rent a scooter, then I would not expect or want them to force anyone off of the bus who had waited their turn just to load my scooter. I would wait for the next one. Especially a rented scooter, something most people just use while at WDW and not at home.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Isn't there a difference between being denied boarding and this bus is full, wait for the next? I have seen where people have had to get up off of the seats where they park the the wheelchairs/scooters to make room and those people then had to stand. I have never seen the whole bus get off and have to wait for the next one because they loaded a scooter family. We are not talking about mass public transportation here but a courtesy ride to a theme park. I know if I was getting older and walking was a bit of an issue for me enough to rent a scooter, then I would not expect or want them to force anyone off of the bus who had waited their turn just to load my scooter. I would wait for the next one. Especially a rented scooter, something most people just use while at WDW and not at home.
ADA does not accept the bus is full. You can take able bodied people out of a loaded bus, but, disabled people are protected since their mobility to get to shelter or even perhaps to wait because of physical restrictions cannot. I didn't write the laws and many of them seem foolish, but, they exist and ADA doesn't care if you or I like them. That is what they are and you follow them or if someone complains and sues, you don't have a legal leg to stand on. It is the same group of rules that allows people to bring their pet boa constrictor on public transportation. The bus service at Disney is considered public transportation and for good reason, it transports the public and falls under the same rules.

The situation of people having to get off would be probably a grand total of three that are in the seats and only if the bus has reached capacity including standing room. Those that are seated were probably some of the first on, so it is likely that it would be the actual last boarding that have to get off. No one said the whole bus had to vacate. If the people sitting in the area that is required for the disabled person refuse to stand their option is to get off. There is no wiggle room. No one cares if they were the first on or not. When handicapped capacity is available they cannot be refused access. If those locations are already filled with other disabled people, then they have to wait and if the next bus is not expected within a certain time span then Disney or whomever, must send a special vehicle to pick those people up. My advice to people traveling and getting on first or nearly first is to avoid sitting in those areas until the other seats have been filled. There will not always be a need and, as said, the ones in need are usually the first to be boarded for many good reasons. You can always say that you will wait if you have a scooter or wheelchair, but, very few actually do! Remember there is usually room for 50+ people on a bus, either sitting or standing, there are only TWO places were a wheelchair or a scooter can ride. Even if they rented the scooter wouldn't they have to take it with them? If they rented from the park, they can't take that with them anyway, it stays in the park.
 

jaklgreen

Well-Known Member
There about 30 in line now for POR. A family of 4 come up to the Poly stop, the only ones there. The bus for POR shows up, everyone boards, and we are about on our way. NOPE!!! The bus director guy comes out of his little office, stands on our bus, and tells us we need to get off. After 45 minutes waiting, we are on our bus, and ready to go. We all exit. This family of 4 is escorted by this bus guy, from the Poly stop, boards the POR bus, and they leave with only 4 people on the bus from the POR stop.
The situation of people having to get off would be probably a grand total of three that are in the seats and only if the bus has reached capacity including standing room. Those that are seated were probably some of the first on, so it is likely that it would be the actual last boarding that have to get off. No one said the whole bus had to vacate

I have seen just those in the handicapped seats get up to load a wheelchair/ecv. The quote by BigRedDad is what made me say what I did. I have never seen the whole bus evacuated and them take it over like they did. This should never have happened. If they wanted a special bus for that one family then they should have called for one and not emptied a whole bus just for them. That is ridiculous. The ADA is set up for equal treatment, not better.
 

DisneyJoe

Well-Known Member
As someone who uses an ECV at WDW, there have been many times where I have had to wait for the next bus because one was full. I have never had a full bus make room for me.
 

Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.

Back
Top Bottom