Brainstorming for SA in DAK

[flavious27]

I was thinking of what could be done with a South American land in DAK, this is what I have come up with.

Map

The land would be a mix between grasslands, the Andes, and the amazon.

The grasslands would have cattle from South America, with a viewing area on the mountain for guests.

The Andes would be reached by an aerial lift, similar to this:
Aerial Lift
There would be stations positioned in Asia, in the Andes mountain and then next to the train station. The lift would travel over the jungle trek, it would then travel through the mountain like how the skyway did through the Matterhorn. Inside the mountain would be a dark ride based on the penguins that live on the tip of the continent. Also there would be coaster that ran on top and through the mountain.

The amazon section would have a boat ride, with a waterfall draining from the mountain into the river.

So that the Andes mountain does not overshadow EE, the top elevation would be 150 feet.

 

[ScorpionX]

I did see one idea a few months back for such a concept that had an anaconda-themed rollerocaster.

 

[MansionGoer13z]

No inclusion of animals in the South America section? This is very disconcerting.

 

[flavious27]

No inclusion of animals in the South America section? This is very disconcerting.

cattle in the grassland. there could be animals in the amazon boat ride.

 

[wedenterprises]

This could be a perfect opportunity for something i've always wanted to see - a Jungle Book boat ride.

 

[goofy donald]

cattle in the grassland. there could be animals in the amazon boat ride.

yes personally I too would prefer seeing more of a focus on the zoo aspect as opposed to the theme park side. this is animal kingdom and thats kind of the one thing that makes it unique and appealing in comparison to the other parks. Also I think there should be a bit more focus in the concept. As opposed to squeezing 3 different ecosystems into one area, the way that the other lands of Africa and Asia are so successful is that they are themed towards and very focused on a particular region and where there is a change in said region there is a very gradual shift into thee next area that makes things seem less. the amount of things you propose putting into the area and the mode of transportation to the mountain you suggest just doesn't allow for that. the grasslands area is not really an ecosystem per say because on top of this, the majority of said grasslands are not natural and were caused by massive deforestation and clear cutting of the rainforest's. Displaying this as an attraction essentially makes the practice seem acceptable which it most definitely is not. What I would do is focus on either the andes or the amazon and expand your ideas based on a village in said area. I would prefer the amazon so there could be a living with the land / real live jungle cruise mix on a representation of the amazon river as the main attraction.

 

[MansionGoer13z]

This could be a perfect opportunity for something i've always wanted to see - a Jungle Book boat ride.

Wouldn't that belong in Asia? Perhaps a Jungle Book dark ride then?

 

[wedenterprises]

Wouldn't that belong in Asia? Perhaps a Jungle Book dark ride then?

Sorry, I didn't mean for South America, I meant for an expansion into that part of the park.

 

[goofy donald]

Sorry, I didn't mean for South America, I meant for an expansion into that part of the park.

I agree with the idea, I know some believe that movie characters shouldn't really have a presence in AK but I think if there is there is a small touch of them in the park, like a few rides, the characters walking around and camp Minnie Mickey, its the perfect balance .

 

[flavious27]

yes personally I too would prefer seeing more of a focus on the zoo aspect as opposed to the theme park side. this is animal kingdom and thats kind of the one thing that makes it unique and appealing in comparison to the other parks. Also I think there should be a bit more focus in the concept. As opposed to squeezing 3 different ecosystems into one area, the way that the other lands of Africa and Asia are so successful is that they are themed towards and very focused on a particular region and where there is a change in said region there is a very gradual shift into thee next area that makes things seem less. the amount of things you propose putting into the area and the mode of transportation to the mountain you suggest just doesn't allow for that. the grasslands area is not really an ecosystem per say because on top of this, the majority of said grasslands are not natural and were caused by massive deforestation and clear cutting of the rainforest's. Displaying this as an attraction essentially makes the practice seem acceptable which it most definitely is not. What I would do is focus on either the andes or the amazon and expand your ideas based on a village in said area. I would prefer the amazon so there could be a living with the land / real live jungle cruise mix on a representation of the amazon river as the main attraction.

With the amount of space in this area, it would be a bit much to focus on just one ecosystem. South America has many ecosystems, that sometimes do not gradually merge together.

The grasslands of Llanos are natural, they were not completely created by man. The problem with having more than cattle in this area is that it limits the amount of land that they can graze and also that the more unique animals to the region are birds. Creating a bird habitat will take up a large amount of room.

I could adjust the placement of the path to the jungle ride that a village could be added, that isn't a problem.

I was thinking of having a dark ride in the mountain that would be based on the penguins that live on the tip of the continent. There could also be a penguin exhibit placed as a post show.

I think that having the aerial lift would work and it would offer an unique view to guests of what they are about to experience. The platform for the coaster will be slightly higher than the lift lines, with the coaster tracks being above and below it. The path to the penguin area, Llanos, and amazon will gradually slope downward.

The only problem that I see is with the construction of the mountain, and how the empty space will be used. There could be future expansion, like a Cueva de las Manos.

 

[goofy donald]

With the amount of space in this area, it would be a bit much to focus on just one ecosystem. South America has many ecosystems, that sometimes do not gradually merge together.

The grasslands of Llanos are natural, they were not completely created by man. The problem with having more than cattle in this area is that it limits the amount of land that they can graze and also that the more unique animals to the region are birds. Creating a bird habitat will take up a large amount of room.

I could adjust the placement of the path to the jungle ride that a village could be added, that isn't a problem.

I was thinking of having a dark ride in the mountain that would be based on the penguins that live on the tip of the continent. There could also be a penguin exhibit placed as a post show.

I think that having the aerial lift would work and it would offer an unique view to guests of what they are about to experience. The platform for the coaster will be slightly higher than the lift lines, with the coaster tracks being above and below it. The path to the penguin area, Llanos, and amazon will gradually slope downward.

The only problem that I see is with the construction of the mountain, and how the empty space will be used. There could be future expansion, like a Cueva de las Manos.

quite frankly i just believe that sticking with a winning idea is the way to go, i think if they went with a concept like they did for Asia it would be a great combination. start off with the amazon and have that as the main area but slowly expand into the concept of the rocky mountainous andes

with all do respect, regardless of weather you are representing the Llanos grasslands or any other natural structure similar to that, as a person who is avid in preserving rainforest's globally I along with many others would consider seeing a grassland with cattle grazing a slap in the face to all we've worked for for 2 reasons. 1) there are no native cattle species in south america so regardless of what it was supposed to represent it would merely look like a clear cut plain, 2) cattle are a cash crop essentially to south american's more then part of an ecosystem. representing them in this area would only be supporting a terrible practice and industry, and educating people in the worst way.

I dont think you should adjust the path if it is not necessary, I just really love the idea of a themed village the other AK locations have with a restaurant CS shops all built in. it truly does wonders for the atmosphere.

I think there could be a better idea for inside the mountain then penguins, no offense, I'm just sure there could be things more relevant to the continent then a ride devoted specifically to penguins. People, especially theme park enthusiasts, i think would just get a little confused by all of the different individual themes being brought out. maybe an anaconda or jaguar ride would be more suitable, or say a lama ride if your sticking to the Andes theme.

I just think the whole concept of a roller coaster in a mountain is kinda been there done that for AK if you know what I mean, no need to build another Everest when there are plenty of new experiences that can be created. as for the aerial lift, i just think it would cost far to much to bring in, theres all the theming that has to be done to the backstage and roofs to cover up and present a nice aerial view and all the costs of installation and safety and maintenance, just to much.

I like where your ideas come from and I like the majority of the things you come up with a lot! i just don't see this one fitting in here sorry

 

[flavious27]

quite frankly i just believe that sticking with a winning idea is the way to go, i think if they went with a concept like they did for Asia it would be a great combination. start off with the amazon and have that as the main area but slowly expand into the concept of the rocky mountainous andes

with all do respect, regardless of weather you are representing the Llanos grasslands or any other natural structure similar to that, as a person who is avid in preserving rainforest's globally I along with many others would consider seeing a grassland with cattle grazing a slap in the face to all we've worked for for 2 reasons. 1) there are no native cattle species in south america so regardless of what it was supposed to represent it would merely look like a clear cut plain, 2) cattle are a cash crop essentially to south american's more then part of an ecosystem. representing them in this area would only be supporting a terrible practice and industry, and educating people in the worst way.

I dont think you should adjust the path if it is not necessary, I just really love the idea of a themed village the other AK locations have with a restaurant CS shops all built in. it truly does wonders for the atmosphere.

I think there could be a better idea for inside the mountain then penguins, no offense, I'm just sure there could be things more relevant to the continent then a ride devoted specifically to penguins. People, especially theme park enthusiasts, i think would just get a little confused by all of the different individual themes being brought out. maybe an anaconda or jaguar ride would be more suitable, or say a lama ride if your sticking to the Andes theme.

I just think the whole concept of a roller coaster in a mountain is kinda been there done that for AK if you know what I mean, no need to build another Everest when there are plenty of new experiences that can be created. as for the aerial lift, i just think it would cost far to much to bring in, theres all the theming that has to be done to the backstage and roofs to cover up and present a nice aerial view and all the costs of installation and safety and maintenance, just to much.

I like where your ideas come from and I like the majority of the things you come up with a lot! i just don't see this one fitting in here sorry

Thanks for the input, this is why I like this site and the forums, all viewpoints can be expressed in a somewhat respectable manner.

Anything is just blue sky thinking but this is part of the process in expressing our individual ideas.

 

[goofy donald]

Thanks for the input, this is why I like this site and the forums, all viewpoints can be expressed in a somewhat respectable manner.

Anything is just blue sky thinking but this is part of the process in expressing our individual ideas.

And I thank you for your response in a respectable manner :sohappy: i totally agree its nice to work with someone cohesively on a project we both care about, that is why I love the forums as well! I look forward to possibly tweaking this slightly and most likely in the end we could maybe come up with a happy medium between our two thoughts on the matter. Look forward to working with you in the future flavious .

now if you excuse me I need to discuss another item of business with a polar opposite of that, crazy harry :brick: lol.

 

[flavious27]

And I thank you for your response in a respectable manner :sohappy: i totally agree its nice to work with someone cohesively on a project we both care about, that is why I love the forums as well! I look forward to possibly tweaking this slightly and most likely in the end we could maybe come up with a happy medium between our two thoughts on the matter. Look forward to working with you in the future flavious .

now if you excuse me I need to discuss another item of business with a polar opposite of that, crazy harry :brick: lol.

Well it would help to have a 3d modeling program so that we can better visualize what we are looking at developing.

The land available is a decent chunk, it would be a shame to have it only themed into one ecosystem.

 

[goofy donald]

Well it would help to have a 3d modeling program so that we can better visualize what we are looking at developing.

The land available is a decent chunk, it would be a shame to have it only themed into one ecosystem.

i completely agree if only we had the technology on our side things would be so much easier, 20 years down the road if were still at this well probably wonder how we managed without. I agree though about the size of the land, I think it can be put into more use then you think but as I said previously if you wanted we could look at the possibility of using the same kind of set up as Asia. however the theme might be a little repetitive, lush tropical forest slowly leading into barren rocky mountainous region and ending with a big mountain. A big way to use up some of that space on another note is another animal walking trail which you didn't include in your previous idea which I think is very important to an AK land and/or my personal favorite idea a river boat cruise on the 'amazon' through various exhibits showcasing animals of the rain forest and then if you wanted turn it into an e ticket at the end by having the boat drive into a show building "cave/rapids" and have a big drop like Jurassic Park or turbulent waters for a milder thrill.

 

[flavious27]

i completely agree if only we had the technology on our side things would be so much easier, 20 years down the road if were still at this well probably wonder how we managed without. I agree though about the size of the land, I think it can be put into more use then you think but as I said previously if you wanted we could look at the possibility of using the same kind of set up as Asia. however the theme might be a little repetitive, lush tropical forest slowly leading into barren rocky mountainous region and ending with a big mountain. A big way to use up some of that space on another note is another animal walking trail which you didn't include in your previous idea which I think is very important to an AK land and/or my personal favorite idea a river boat cruise on the 'amazon' through various exhibits showcasing animals of the rain forest and then if you wanted turn it into an e ticket at the end by having the boat drive into a show building "cave/rapids" and have a big drop like Jurassic Park or turbulent waters for a milder thrill.

Yeah that is what the problem will partially be, that it will seem repetitive. That is why I think that having the recreation of the andes being the main center of attention and activity of this land will make it different.

A hiking trail could be an interesting addition to this land, having it mix in with the amazon river ride would add depth to it. I do want to have a waterfall feeding water into the river ride, there could a willy wonka feel to it by sailing into the waterfall and out of it.

I was thinking of having the coaster ride being a mine ride, it could be themed the same way but be based on some geologists looking for water and falling into one of the empty caverns and then zooming around the emptiness of the caverns.

 

[goofy donald]

Yeah that is what the problem will partially be, that it will seem repetitive. That is why I think that having the recreation of the andes being the main center of attention and activity of this land will make it different.

A hiking trail could be an interesting addition to this land, having it mix in with the amazon river ride would add depth to it. I do want to have a waterfall feeding water into the river ride, there could a willy wonka feel to it by sailing into the waterfall and out of it.

I was thinking of having the coaster ride being a mine ride, it could be themed the same way but be based on some geologists looking for water and falling into one of the empty caverns and then zooming around the emptiness of the caverns.

Ok Ive been putting some thought into this and Ive been thinking of a solution. first, instead of having one big mountain as the centerpiece, we have a small representation of a piece of the Andes mountain range. this way we can in a way create a little piece of the continent with the side closest to asia representing the rain forest leading up to the mountains. then after going through a tunnel in the mountain range, which can have information about south american caves and the unique wildlife that lives in them, it opens up to the other side of the mountain range and the rocky alpine ecosystem of the andes. this way the mountains can house the ride buildings and some backstage areas and i think its a nice change from the other 2 continents represented.

the waterfall could be attached to the mountain and the boat ride could go through it into the ride building. It could be made to look like angel falls. the hiking trail would have to be very well hidden so a) the animals wouldn't get stressed out and b) so you couldn't see it from the boats for good show.

I like the idea and i cant really think of anything better for the area right now so i think a kiddie mine coaster type ride similar to the new snow white ride coming to MK could work well.

 

[Tip Top Club]

I would really love to see an Amazon River Boat ride. A leisurely trip down the river, with some rapids occasionally to get you from one scene to another (but nothing larger then a pirates style splash, more for looks. You could see Jaguars, Tapirs, Anacondas, Capybaras, Anteater, Caiman, and some various monkey species like Howler Monkey and Tamarins. You could have an aviary scene with Toucan and Macaw, you could have an underwater cave scene with Pirhanna, Amazonian Manatee, and Amazon Pink River Dolphin. I think it would be an excellent addition.

Outside you could have a South American Marketplace with a balloon ride themed to Kevin from UP and Hosted by Dug. Outside the market could be a llama or alpaca exhibit, or some other animals that weren't featured on the tour. I would love to see this.

 

[flavious27]

Ok Ive been putting some thought into this and Ive been thinking of a solution. first, instead of having one big mountain as the centerpiece, we have a small representation of a piece of the Andes mountain range. this way we can in a way create a little piece of the continent with the side closest to asia representing the rain forest leading up to the mountains. then after going through a tunnel in the mountain range, which can have information about south american caves and the unique wildlife that lives in them, it opens up to the other side of the mountain range and the rocky alpine ecosystem of the andes. this way the mountains can house the ride buildings and some backstage areas and i think its a nice change from the other 2 continents represented.

the waterfall could be attached to the mountain and the boat ride could go through it into the ride building. It could be made to look like angel falls. the hiking trail would have to be very well hidden so a) the animals wouldn't get stressed out and b) so you couldn't see it from the boats for good show.

I like the idea and i cant really think of anything better for the area right now so i think a kiddie mine coaster type ride similar to the new snow white ride coming to MK could work well.

Sounds good, the flop in the location of the andes would work.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

A South America-section should include a huge waterfall. For example a miniature version of the Angel Fall in Venezuela as it was planned for the Venezuela-pavillon in WS in EPCOT.