Bob Chapek's response to Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' bill

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ImperfectPixie

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Others: “Discussing sexuality in elementary school is inappropriate.”

Me: Remembers that I did an entire project on intercourse and human reproduction for my science fair project in elementary school and got a lot of praise for it.

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The part that's really sick is that sex education doesn't start until 5th grade in most places. Prior to that age it's only about family make-up and who loves and supports the child in question...nothing in regards to sexuality is ever brought up at all.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

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1. That's not what the law says or does. Discussion of sexuality in elementary school is inappropriate, period. It doesn't matter if it's gay, straight, or some kind of halvsie.
If that's the case, time to ban any discussion of parents, family, and traditional marriage, because it's all controversial and triggering to someone.

Children of LGBTQ+ relationships would be hurt that their family unit gets dismissed entirely and can't be acknowledged as acceptable.

Also, a traditional mom-dad unit implies sexual relations (we've all heard kids making jokes about it, they know that word!), which is completely inappropriate, according to you.

Best to sweep it all under the rug, because limiting these new restrictions to one specific group is discrimination.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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"Neutrally acknowledge the existence of" ≠ "celebrate"

"Bible says it's wrong, hence it can't be spoken about" ≠ "allow others to practice their beliefs freely"
The problem is too many teachers struggle to be neutral.

In the last few months I can recall articles about a teacher ridiculing a student over reading the Bible during break and a couple articles about teachers ridiculing students over wearing thin blue line masks/hats to support their cop parents. On the flip side I can also recall articles about teachers ridiculing kids over simple things like flag shirts and BLM masks also… these teachers are a tiny minority of all the teachers but they provide the fuel for bills like this.

The extremes get the press and politicians love to fix non-existent but well publicized issues.
 

TikibirdLand

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Ahhh...the Bible. The book written by imperfect humans and used as the excuse for oppression and murder for centuries. The only thing that changes is which people to exclude/shame/bully/oppress/abuse/murder. 👍
Ah, let's discount the book because people abused it for those purposes. The US Constitution was used for that very reason as well. And, that's why we need to have real conversations, not this back-and-forth. I'm not Evil and neither are you or others that believe as you do. We just disagree about the law and how it affects others.

Sexual orientation is either genetic or it's a lifestyle. I pointed at at least one article where the science hasn't found a link to genetics. Feel free to cite counter examples. If it's not biological what other options are there?

Still friends; regardless of your position on this bill or your sexual orientation :)
 

DonaldDoleWhip

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The problem is too many teachers struggle to be neutral.

In the last few months I can recall articles about a teacher ridiculing a student over reading the Bible during break and a couple articles about teachers ridiculing students over wearing thin blue line masks/hats to support their cop parents. On the flip side I can also recall articles about teachers ridiculing kids over simple things like flag shirts and BLM masks also… these teachers are a tiny minority of all the teachers but they provide the fuel for bills like this.

The extremes get the press and politicians love to fix non-existent but well publicized issues.
Ridiculing a student for reading the Bible sounds totally wrong. It would be just as wrong mocking someone for prepping for their bar mitzvah, or reading the Quran, or practicing a Shinto ritual.

That said, the Bible's principles can't be applied in public school as fact because not everyone bases their beliefs on the Bible.
 

Californian Elitist

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The part that's really sick is that sex education doesn't start until 5th grade in most places. Prior to that age it's only about family make-up and who loves and supports the child in question...nothing in regards to sexuality is ever brought up at all.
Yes, that was my experience. There was no discussion of it in my household. The only reason I kind of knew what it was is because I watched Look Who’s Talking A LOT when I was a kid. I loved that movie and anyone who’s seen that movie knows that the intro starts with a fertilization scene. That got me curious and that’s how I ended up doing my project on it.

Children can tolerate more than what some people think.
 

Sir_Cliff

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So, you're saying Disney has given money to everyone in the FL statehouse? This claims Disney has funded both all of the proponents and all of the opponents?

Man, they really are bad lobbyist.
Well this is the thing. What are they giving all this money for and when are they calling in their favours?
 

CaptainAmerica

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You guys are thinking WAY too deeply about this.

This bill is basically nothing. It's entirely toothless, vague, and unenforceable.

It exists because the Governor of Florida wants to be President of the United States. To do that, he needs to win a primary among a base of rube culture warriors who ACTUALLY want him to do stuff like ban talking about homosexuality and make face masks illegal. But he's not a true believer, he just needs to prove his MAGA bona fides to make it through the primary. Then, in the general election, he needs to be able to say that the bills he passed don't actually do what he's been accused of doing. They're vague, toothless, and unenforceable on purpose.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Yes, that was my experience. There was no discussion of it in my household. The only reason I kind of knew what it was is because I watched Look Who’s Talking A LOT when I was a kid. I loved that movie and anyone who’s seen that movie knows that the intro starts with a fertilization scene. That got me curious and that’s how I ended up doing my project on it.

Children can tolerate more than what some people think.
I wonder if the director had any idea he’d/she’d be inspiring little Ravens around the world to explore the act of reproduction? This made me chuckle.
 

Angel Ariel

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I thought the exact same thing. Some children are currently learning that Christopher Columbus discovered America and that the Native Americans and pilgrims had a lovely dinner together, centered around love, friendship, and togetherness. In other words, BS.

I’m not a parent yet, but I’d be much more concerned about what my children are learning in their history classes than LGBTQ+ topics (which I have no concern over whatsoever).
The problem is both can be connected - esp in the case of bills seeking to prohibit teaching of “divisive concepts”. FL’s bill specifically is more narrow, but the ones introduced in our state were wide ranging and would greatly impact history (and English) as well as family life curricula topics.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

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Ah, let's discount the book because people abused it for those purposes. The US Constitution was used for that very reason as well. And, that's why we need to have real conversations, not this back-and-forth. I'm not Evil and neither are you or others that believe as you do. We just disagree about the law and how it affects others.

Sexual orientation is either genetic or it's a lifestyle. I pointed at at least one article where the science hasn't found a link to genetics. Feel free to cite counter examples. If it's not biological what other options are there?

Still friends; regardless of your position on this bill or your sexual orientation :)
Sexual orientation is likely a combination of genetic information, prenatal conditions, and external factors.

Those external factors are not being exposed to gay people or learning they exist. Rather, I suspect conditions like a rocky relationship with one/both parental figures can contribute. Anecdotally have observed this in a lot of instances, and even then, doesn't make it fact.

"Born this way" might not capture the cause entirely, but sexual orientation is completely based on factors beyond our control. No one wakes up and says, "I choose to be attracted to the same sex," because those earliest years of it are often incredibly painful.

At least they were, until Gen Z started bucking the trend and owning it outright. Good for them, but that's a new phenomenon.
 

CaptainAmerica

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So, you're saying Disney has given money to everyone in the FL statehouse? This claims Disney has funded both all of the proponents and all of the opponents?

Man, they really are bad lobbyist.

Well this is the thing. What are they giving all this money for and when are they calling in their favours?
It's not an issue they care about. Issues they care about are things like special exemptions for theme park operators when Florida cracks down on social media companies.

 

flynnibus

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You guys are thinking WAY too deeply about this.

This bill is basically nothing. It's entirely toothless, vague, and unenforceable.

It exists because the Governor of Florida wants to be President of the United States. To do that, he needs to win a primary among a base of rube culture warriors who ACTUALLY want him to do stuff like ban talking about homosexuality and make face masks illegal. But he's not a true believer, he just needs to prove his MAGA bona fides to make it through the primary. Then, in the general election, he needs to be able to say that the bills he passed don't actually do what he's been accused of doing. They're vague, toothless, and unenforceable on purpose.

So you think it's ok to oppress a population with the pep speech "Don't worry, you'll win the lawsuits you'll have to file to defend what you shouldn't have to... but you'll win!"

You're basically telling people to live under a mandate that will be thrown around and threatened with.. but don't worry, you'll be able to legally win! This sounds like a fantastic life for people fighting discrimination.
 

Californian Elitist

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I wonder if the director had any idea he’d be inspiring little Ravens around the world to explore the act of sex? This made me chuckle.
This is what happens when you were raised by parents who let you watch pretty much anything.😂🙋🏾‍♀️ I thought those things were tadpoles, if you know what I mean.😂

Funny stuff aside, after learning about all those cool scientific words, reproduction, the birth of a baby, etc., it made it that much more fun to watch that movie because I understood exactly what was happening. My curiosity followed me into high school and even adulthood. I got my first job working at a hospital when I was 16 and worked in the OB/GYN and NICU departments, where I learned even more about childbirth in general. Some years later, I worked in prenatal education at the same hospital, which was a lot of fun.

You never know what kids will be inspired by.🙂
 

CaptainAmerica

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So you think it's ok to oppress a population with the pep speech "Don't worry, you'll win the lawsuits you'll have to file to defend what you shouldn't have to... but you'll win!"

You're basically telling people to live under a mandate that will be thrown around and threatened with.. but don't worry, you'll be able to legally win! This sounds like a fantastic life for people fighting discrimination.
No, I'm saying nobody is being oppressed. If this bill actually did what you seem to think it does, I'd be right there with you. But it doesn't.
 
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