Animaniac93-98
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Bob Chapek backs up using IPs because “if our competitors had our catalog they would do the same thing”
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Stripes
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Do you happen to have a link to the interview? I enjoy tormenting myself
Sirwalterraleigh
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Balance is what the appeal of their parks are built on...but they don’t have a seminar on that in sun valley so the bobs wouldn’t know
Amen, reverend!!
I just threw up in my mouth. You said the “P word”
Nobody Is...which is the same crap Roy got p!ssed at Eisner about.
The longterm, sustainable attractions are not based on IP...at least not in the modern sense.
You got it, sister
Here’s some breaking news... an almost criticism wrapped in a note of support. I like the nuance there...deep like a Rian Johnson movie
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Sirwalterraleigh
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Do you happen to have a link to the interview? I enjoy tormenting myself
You can take opiods to dull that pain
Balance is what the appeal of their parks are built on...but they don’t have a seminar on that in sun valley so the bobs wouldn’t know
Amen, reverend!!
I just threw up in my mouth.
Nobody Is...which is the same crap Roy got p!ssed at Eisner about.
The longterm, sustainable attractions are not based on IP...at least not in the modern sense.
You got it, sister
Here’s some breaking news... an almost criticism wrapped in a note of support. I like the nuance there...deep like a Rian Johnson movie
Are you being paid to respond to everybody's opinion? Is this your thread that you're holding court over?
Stripes
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He's not wrong with regard to that particular statement. If other companies had Disney's IP they would absolutely shoehorn them into their parks. The problem with his logic, and his implication, is Disney's willingness to create original environments and attractions is what used to set their parks apart from the rest. Now, they have succumbed to the short-term money in exchange for a lesser product and decreased long-term gains.
Sirwalterraleigh
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A very good question. After all, Disney's three biggest hits in Future World (Soarin', Test Track, and Mission: Space) are all original.
Original attractions are timeless. Twenty years later, we still have people pining for Horizons.....I highly doubt that Guardians of the Galaxy Roller Coaster will be remembered quite so fondly should the fad end and it becomes the Universe of Energy Coaster: Presented by Tesla and SpaceX.
That would kick so much a**.
Think about it....if Horizons was about tying all the pavilions of Future World together.....this would at least tie the pavilions of Future World East together. lol
None of Disney’s classic rides are IP based
Space...pirates...jungle cruise...thunder...haunted mansion...small world.
Nope. None.
The two “revered” IP influenced rides are using a tv show that has been dead for now 50 years and a movie that nobody would even dare to show or stream now...
Far different from knee jerkers like Olaf’s boats and the marvel B team coaster.
Sirwalterraleigh
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I knew you were a big fan of multi-quotes so I’m experimenting...
Btw, I think someone just questioned something Disney did over on the dining board...get em!!!
Kram Sacul
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- In the Parks
- Yes
GhostlyGoofy
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What is considered original is typically inspired by other "IP" example; the African Queen inspired The Jungle Cruise.
I don't think Iger & Chapek are wrong about their treasure trove of IP. Look at Disney's history from the release of The Jungle Book to Little Mermaid.
Yeah, sorry Condorman and Superdad where never going to be big enough hits to inspire rides.
But don't forget Island at the top of the world, that was suppose to inspire a whole new land in the parks. Before it flopped hard.
Since the Little Mermaid and the Animation Renaissance, Disney finally has hit films, that would draw audiences into the parks. On top of the other film franchises and studios they've swallowed up. Of course they're going to make use of that content.
That being said, How Iger does it, looks cheap! A lot of it feels rushed and not up to Disney Quality. Like look at the Incredibles section of DHS. It belongs at an I-Drive dump.
So I don't fault Disney for using their strong IP. I just wish they'd put more effort into it.
And it would be nice if the company remembered that their "original" rides have gone on to inspire other mediums and can possibly again.
Of course then we'll all be griping about another Ride inspired film franchise.
I don't think Iger & Chapek are wrong about their treasure trove of IP. Look at Disney's history from the release of The Jungle Book to Little Mermaid.
Yeah, sorry Condorman and Superdad where never going to be big enough hits to inspire rides.
But don't forget Island at the top of the world, that was suppose to inspire a whole new land in the parks. Before it flopped hard.
Since the Little Mermaid and the Animation Renaissance, Disney finally has hit films, that would draw audiences into the parks. On top of the other film franchises and studios they've swallowed up. Of course they're going to make use of that content.
That being said, How Iger does it, looks cheap! A lot of it feels rushed and not up to Disney Quality. Like look at the Incredibles section of DHS. It belongs at an I-Drive dump.
So I don't fault Disney for using their strong IP. I just wish they'd put more effort into it.
And it would be nice if the company remembered that their "original" rides have gone on to inspire other mediums and can possibly again.
Of course then we'll all be griping about another Ride inspired film franchise.
The Empress Lilly
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Chapek is plain wrong too.
There is a precedent for a theme park behemoth holding an IP catalogue almost as good as 2019 TWDC and not using it in their parks: TWDC 1955-2015.
Chapek is simply lazy, he thinks sitting on the best IP staple provides him a quick hack to the best parks, that it provides an unassailable competitive advantage. Disregarding that the true 'Disney' difference in the theme park business has been quality, immersion, sentimentalism. And hard work. IP, by contrast, has always been the shortcut of precisely the non-Disney parks. How many Superman coasters aren't out there in wannabe parks?
There is a precedent for a theme park behemoth holding an IP catalogue almost as good as 2019 TWDC and not using it in their parks: TWDC 1955-2015.
Chapek is simply lazy, he thinks sitting on the best IP staple provides him a quick hack to the best parks, that it provides an unassailable competitive advantage. Disregarding that the true 'Disney' difference in the theme park business has been quality, immersion, sentimentalism. And hard work. IP, by contrast, has always been the shortcut of precisely the non-Disney parks. How many Superman coasters aren't out there in wannabe parks?
lazyboy97o
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Disney would never slap superheroes onto a roller coaster!
The Empress Lilly
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Disney parks are too family, timeless and Disney for that!
Sirwalterraleigh
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Never on one that didn’t cost the gdp of several Caribbean islands -
At least
Correction: they all do now
Marc Davis Fan
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Here's the full interview:
Tony the Tigger
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The same thing that got people to believe an IP is less “original.”
Indy_UK
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That's the play Pavilion isn't it?
The Empress Lilly
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About GE: 'you're in an appendage to DL' . That is such a telling quote. DL being thought of and being developed as just a collection of isolated parts, a collection of IP encounters each one isolated of the others. The treatment of the WDW parks shows he thinks the same about all the other parks too. There is no understanding of what makes the parks tick, of their internal cohesion, storytelling, mood. In DL, Adventureland and Fantasyland and Main Street strengthen one another, feed off of one another. An effect even more emphasised in the MK.
'...you don't feel like you're in DL but rather on another planet' - Chapek is actually proud that GE feels like another planet. Instead part of DL. He thinks it an accomplishment. How clueless. (Or at least, a shift away from 65 years of park development)
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bUU
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I bet he said a lot more than that, and that you're presenting one comment out of context.
In recent comments, he talked about the genius and imagination and creativity that went into developing the Star Wars universe. He talked about the emotional feeling that these new investments will foster in guests. He talked the company as a portfolio of investments in storytelling. He talked about the parks not only a showcase for the storytelling that has gone on on screen but also as an inspiration for, and a source of, new storytelling contributions to that portfolio.
Then he talked about the power of franchises - for less than 45 seconds out of the 15 minutes.
He shouldn't listen to any critics. Talk is cheap. He should "listen" to what guests are telling him through what they're spending their money on.
The same was said about the leaders of the company who shepherded it from the brink of oblivion to its current status as the top of the top. As a matter of fact, fans expressing such appraisals in online discussions have been so consistent over the last thirty years that being criticized by fans online is now a pretty reliable indicator that someone is an excellent leader for the company.