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Billion $$ DCA Overhaul

AndyMagic

Well-Known Member
I'm absolutely floored by every bit of concept art I've seen on this project and am simply delighted. HOWEVER, I'm a little confused by "Cars Land." First of all, why is it called that instead of the more logical and less corny, "Radiator Springs." Also, how do they plan on incorporating Cars Land into the California Adventure theme? I love the new retheming in general and the idea that it will reflect more of Walt Disney's California from the 20's but how exactly does a movie about the demise of the quaint, middle american town situated somewhere between Arizona and New Mexico fit in with this theme? Maybe I'm missing something.
 

Rufus T Firefly

Well-Known Member
I'm absolutely floored by every bit of concept art I've seen on this project and am simply delighted. HOWEVER, I'm a little confused by "Cars Land." First of all, why is it called that instead of the more logical and less corny, "Radiator Springs." Also, how do they plan on incorporating Cars Land into the California Adventure theme? I love the new retheming in general and the idea that it will reflect more of Walt Disney's California from the 20's but how exactly does a movie about the demise of the quaint, middle american town situated somewhere between Arizona and New Mexico fit in with this theme? Maybe I'm missing something.

California, especially SoCal, is heavily into the car culture. So, the theme would fit just fine.
 

CaptainMichael

Well-Known Member
Anyone else think "World of Color" could potentially be replacing Fantasmic at DHS?

And I'm jealous of DCA.

Perhaps DHS will be getting the same treatment...we all know it needs it.
 

AndyMagic

Well-Known Member
California, especially SoCal, is heavily into the car culture. So, the theme would fit just fine.

I guess that's a good point. Although the fact that Cali is heavily into "car culture" is one of the negative aspects of California isn't it? The obsession with personal vehicles is one of the reasons mass transit has failed in L.A. and smog continues to be such a problem. In my mind, I'd rather them justify having Radiator Springs at the park just because the town in the film was loosely based on Amboy, California (although in the film, it is situated far away from Cali,) rather than celebrate "car culture."
 

ImagineerWaryur

New Member
btw. what is the land area of CA right now and what was the original budget?

Hey devoy,

Don't know if anyone answered this for you, so sorry if I'm repeating something...

The land area for DCA is 55 acres. When Car Land is added it will be 67 acres.

The original budget for DCA was 650 million dollars. This was the final budget after Pressler told Braverman(Imagineer in charge of DCA) to cut the budget by a third... so the original budget was over 800 million. Eisner and Pressler believed it didn't need that big a budget. It was a Disney park afterall with the Disney name on it. That would be enough, right? Riiiiiiiiiight.

The budget for the entire resort was 1.4 billion dollars with the remaining 750 million going to build the Grand Californian and Downtown Disney.

Oh and on a simular note, Tokyo DisneySEA opened up the same year as DCA... it's budget was 2.2 billion. This wasn't counting the two new hotels or the Downtown Disney-like "Ikspiari"entertainment concept.

Hope that helps...

BTW, by the time it celebrates it's tenth anniversary DCA will more than likely not be called DCA. Imagineers really don't want to be restrained by the "California" theme and if you notice the current set of rides are trending that way. Rumors are it will be Disney Adventures Park, Disney's Adventure Park in California or something like this.


ImagineerWarrior :cool:
 

Nicole220

Well-Known Member
BTW, by the time it celebrates it's tenth anniversary DCA will more than likely not be called DCA. Imagineers really don't want to be restrained by the "California" theme and if you notice the current set of rides are trending that way. Rumors are it will be Disney Adventures Park, Disney's Adventure Park in California or something like this.


ImagineerWarrior :cool:
I like those. DCA isn't completely California anymore. We have The Little Mermaid ride, Bugs Land (Flik's Fun Fair), Cars Land...I think Disney's Adventure Park in CA might be a good fit.

Even if the name is changed, I'm still going to call it DCA. It's a much easier name than Disney Adventures Park.
 

darthjohnny

Active Member
I like those. DCA isn't completely California anymore. We have The Little Mermaid ride, Bugs Land (Flik's Fun Fair), Cars Land...I think Disney's Adventure Park in CA might be a good fit.

Even if the name is changed, I'm still going to call it DCA. It's a much easier name than Disney Adventures Park.

Little Mermaid can still go with the beach/Paridise Peir theme. After all, it fits in with the Ariel's Grotto Restaurant. Bugs land fits in with California farms. Cars Land goes into the whole Route 66 car and racing culture of California.

So yeah, it's still California.

Screamscape.com has been informed that although a lot of the art looks great, plans are constantly changing and there is no guarantee that anything planned will end up exactly that way in the park.

Also, I have a question. Supposedly, the new entrance will be expanded to wehre the current "CALIFORNIA" letters are to make more room. But why? I was looking at an older map, and there really isn't that much more space between the letters and the gates.

So how much space is really going to be added?
 

Nicole220

Well-Known Member
Screamscape.com has been informed that although a lot of the art looks great, plans are constantly changing and there is no guarantee that anything planned will end up exactly that way in the park.
Hopefully the only thing that'll change is the MGM entrance.
Still don't like it.
The rest can stay the same.

Also, I have a question. Supposedly, the new entrance will be expanded to wehre the current "CALIFORNIA" letters are to make more room. But why? I was looking at an older map, and there really isn't that much more space between the letters and the gates.
There's hardly any room between the letters and gates.
A few feet, mabye. :shrug:
 

darthjohnny

Active Member
Hopefully the only thing that'll change is the MGM entrance.
Still don't like it.
The rest can stay the same.


There's hardly any room between the letters and gates.
A few feet, mabye. :shrug:

It don't think it's terrible, but I think there should be an entrance unique to that particular park.

I really like the how the mosaic murals are connected by the Golden Gate Bridge to creat a postcard look.

And as for the letters, that's what I thought. So why is there all this talk about how pushing the entrance back to there will creat a lot more room? :shrug:
 

Nicole220

Well-Known Member
It don't think it's terrible, but I think there should be an entrance unique to that particular park.

I really like the how the mosaic murals are connected by the Golden Gate Bridge to creat a postcard look.

And as for the letters, that's what I thought. So why is there all this talk about how pushing the entrance back to there will creat a lot more room? :shrug:
Agreed!

They give DCA a billion dollars and what do they do? They go and copy another parks entrance! :hammer:
 

JLW11Hi

Well-Known Member
I love that the trolley cars are coming! That is one thing I always wanted to see at MGM.

So what do you think they should change the name of the park to? Though the additions sound awesome, I am afriad the overal theming is going to become a jumbled mess. Its like, "Walt Disney's California/Pixar Adventure Land" or something. Oh, and we'll stick The Little Mermaid in there, too
:lol:

How about calling it "DISNEYLAND II"?
 

CThaddeus

New Member
I love that the trolley cars are coming! That is one thing I always wanted to see at MGM.

So what do you think they should change the name of the park to? Though the additions sound awesome, I am afriad the overal theming is going to become a jumbled mess. Its like, "Walt Disney's California/Pixar Adventure Land" or something. Oh, and we'll stick The Little Mermaid in there, too
:lol:

How about calling it "DISNEYLAND II"?

It may have been mentioned by someone already, but since they're focusing so heavily on Walt, all they really need to do is change it to "Walt Disney's California Adventure." Granted, he had nothing to do with all the Pixar movies (except inspiring John Lasseter and team to create something the Disney company didn't seem capable of anymore), but it is a part of his legacy.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
The obsession with personal vehicles is one of the reasons mass transit has failed in L.A. and smog continues to be such a problem.

Not to get OT, but that is a terribly old-fashioned idea you have there. It's not 1977 anymore.

The air quality in Southern California is dramatically improved over what it was just 20 years ago, and it is about to the point where the term "smog" really no longer exists. I can't remember that last time I heard anyone here say "smog" in a contemporary reference.

The amount of pollutants in the air in SoCal has declined dramatically in the last 25 years, with the most rapid rate of improvement beginning about 15 years ago. Here's a link to a chart from the South Coast Air Quality Management District showing the dramatic reduction in days per year since the mid 1970's where air quality was unhealthful http://www.aqmd.gov/smog/o3trend.html

There were 121 Stage 1 Smog Alerts in calendar year 1977 alone!
There has been only one such alert in the last 8 years, on one single day in 2003 for San Bernardino.

The late 1970's averaged 15 Stage 2 Smog Alerts per year! In '78 they had 23 Stage 2 Alerts in one year.
There hasn't been a Stage 2 Smog Alert in Southern California since 1988. Not a single one. They don't exist anymore.

Charts and statistics are one thing, but there is also simple knowledge from someone like me who lived in SoCal in the late 1970's and who lives here now. I've never seen the air quality better. It's been over a decade, if not closer to two decades, since I remember a smoggy day when your lungs hurt when you breathed hard. ANYONE who lived in SoCal in the 1960's and 1970's remembers the days when your lungs hurt because of the smog. Schools kept children inside, the radio issued alerts and you were advised not to jog or work outdoors, etc. That doesn't happen anymore, and it hasn't happened in years. An entire generation of children has now grown up not knowing what a Smog Alert even is. Ask a 12 year old today what a Smog Alert is and they'll look at you funny.

I remember barely ever seeing the San Gabriel Mountains in the 1970's cause the smog smudged them out of the horizon. Now they are out and in crystal clear skies more often than not. The air now is crisp and blue and bright.

It's not 1977 anymore, with Johnny Carson making smog jokes in his opening monologue on the Tonight Show. To talk about "smog" in SoCal in the 21st century is about as timely as talking about Disco or Jimmy Carter. :wave:
 

MainSt1993

New Member
It's not 1977 anymore, with Johnny Carson making smog jokes in his opening monologue on the Tonight Show. To talk about "smog" in SoCal in the 21st century is about as timely as talking about Disco or Jimmy Carter. :wave:

Well said - you don't need it but I got your back, girl! If you want to see smog, go to Phoenix or Vegas. But Southern California is beautiful again, and smog is a thing from our childhood. And I'm proud to hail from the State that has basically single-handedly done more for the environment than the Federal gov't. :sohappy:
 

MainSt1993

New Member
Also, I have a question. Supposedly, the new entrance will be expanded to wehre the current "CALIFORNIA" letters are to make more room. But why? I was looking at an older map, and there really isn't that much more space between the letters and the gates.

So how much space is really going to be added?

This gave me pause as well. Queues for DLP often stretch fairly close to those letters. (Which as a side point, why in the world does it take so long for people to pass through the turnstyles? It really should go a lot faster.) Anyways, is the thought that more people will be queuing for DCA so it will be okay? I fear a traffic jam nightmare...
 

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