News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

[vikescaper]

Maybe. What I do know is those triangles could blow away if not properly adhered to the structure.

 

[Earlie the Pearlie]

Maybe. What I do know is those triangles could blow away if not properly adhered to the structure.

Even if he didn’t work on anything amazing, he gives us such wonderful quotes

 

[SaucyBoy]

As I sit in the new World Celebration gardens finishing off my grapefruit beer, I can’t help but just take in the true beauty and awe of this space now. This entire area of the park is just absolutely amazing. I can’t believe it was once the most hideous area of any Orlando park as recently as six or seven years ago. The rebirth of Epcot is just amazing! God Im reminded of why I love this park so much!!

 

[Bocabear]

As I sit in the new World Celebration gardens finishing off my grapefruit beer, I can’t help but just take in the true beauty and awe of this space now. This entire area of the park is just absolutely amazing. I can’t believe it was once the most hideous area of any Orlando park as recently as six or seven years ago. The rebirth of Epcot is just amazing! God Im reminded of why I love this park so much!!

Are you having a Schofferhofer? They are my favorite for a hot summer day.... or most of the year down here in South Florida!

 

[SaucyBoy]

Are you having a Schofferhofer? They are my favorite for a hot summer day.... or most of the year down here in South Florida!

I sure did! It's one of my favorites to enjoy as I head toward the exit

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

Universal also had one of the biggest marketing disasters when IOA opened with their "Universal Escape" marketing campaign that completely failed to entice visitors

Anyone would like to share with why it was a disaster? I'm curiously interested in it don't know about it.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

Speak for yourself. I love the attraction-less ones. There’s usually less people there, so you can just vibe. And sadly, most of the shows are usually empty anyway so they basically don’t exist.

Full fledged agree! Epcot has way enough top tier attractions which is why I think why Encanto and Coco attractions will be going elsewhere whether AK or MK.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Anyone would like to share with why it was a disaster? I'm curiously interested in it don't know about it.

In short, they didn’t properly communicate what was what. Everything got a Universal Studios branding. So you had the existing Universal Studios Florida, the new Universal Studios Islands of Adventure and Universal Studios CityWalk all at Universal Studios Escape. People didn’t understand that these were completely different things and not just a few new parts of the existing park they knew as just Universal Studios,

 

[Earlie the Pearlie]

In short, they didn’t properly communicate what was what. Everything got a Universal Studios branding. So you had the existing Universal Studios Florida, the new Universal Studios Islands of Adventure and Universal Studios CityWalk all at Universal Studios Escape. People didn’t understand that these were completely different things and not just a few new parts of the existing park they knew as just Universal Studios,

In short in short, nobody knew about it so they didn’t show up

 

[ChrisFL]

Anyone would like to share with why it was a disaster? I'm curiously interested in it don't know about it.

You can see some of the TV commercials here (click on the video link for a playlist)



Basically they should have just advertised Islands of Adventure on its own as an entirely separate park at Universal, instead of lumping it all in to this weird naming idea for the resort.

 

[Andrew25]

You can see some of the TV commercials here (click on the video link for a playlist)



Basically they should have just advertised Islands of Adventure on its own as an entirely separate park at Universal, instead of lumping it all in to this weird naming idea for the resort.

It's insane how much they messed up promos, because Universal could have easily just changed the wording to include "the ALL-NEW Islands of Adventure Theme Park at the Universal Studios Escape Resort! Book now at one of our amazing onsite hotels!"

Universal is a much more "solid"

Indeed. The big lesson from Potter wasn't, at least as far as I can tell, that Disney needed to fight harder with Universal to win guests. It was that there was still considerable room for growth in the Orlando theme park market that Disney had written off as a mature market.

I'm also old enough to remember all the chatter about Islands of Adventure back in the day and what it would mean for WDW. While Universal did grow into a more credible resort destination following its opening, that took some time and WDW continued to grow alongside it. Similarly, all the talk of Volcano Bay as a next-level water park such that it almost counted as a separate theme park in its own right didn't quite pan out and attendance at the Disney water parks kept growing even if VB also ultimately proved successful. I am getting a similar feeling from all the hyperbole around Epic Universe as some kind of theme park revelation that will act as a magnet drawing crowds over from Disney, leaving them scrambling to try and win them back. I feel the biggest issues Disney is facing in attracting guests are already apparent before Epic Universe is in the picture.

VB was never meant to act as a separate theme park and draw similar crowds to the regular parks, that was just marketing talk. They never expected that park to compare to IOA/USF in anyway... it was just a marketing gimmick.

It'll be interesting to see what THEA attendance reports say for this past year as VB was very busy and Disney's water parks are in this eternal open/close situation.

I agree that there is a lot of exaggeration when it comes to Epic's impact on WDW... but there is definitely concern over Universal taking a day from a lesser desired park like DAK. 3 Universal dry parks is more than enough to convince a family to outright skip WDW if they prefer.

MK will still be "king" in Orlando... but all the other Orlando parks will be fighting against each other. The one thing I'm interested in knowing is how Epic impacts Universal Studios' impact itself as it will then become the least desirable park of the 3. Will people "add" a day for Epic or just replace USF?

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

You can see some of the TV commercials here (click on the video link for a playlist)



Basically they should have just advertised Islands of Adventure on its own as an entirely separate park at Universal, instead of lumping it all in to this weird naming idea for the resort.

So basically I would guess Universal Escape was at that time what they wanted to call it instead of Universal Orlando Resort? Universal Escape sounds terrible to me, CityWalk and Island's of Adventures considered escapes?

Island's of Adventure - "where your Epic Adventure finally begins!*" now that's striking!
They have such a good named park.

At least they learned not to repeat it with Epic Universe!

 

[lazyboy97o]

So basically I would guess Universal Escape was at that time what they wanted to call it instead of Universal Orlando Resort? Universal Escape sounds terrible to me, CityWalk and Island's of Adventures considered escapes?

Island's of Adventure - "where your Epic Adventure finally begins!*" now that's striking!
They have such a good named park.

At least they learned not to repeat it with Epic Universe!

The name of the resort was Universal Studios Escape. Studios was part of all of the names. Islands of Adventure was Universal Studios Islands of Adventure (you can still see this name in Port of Entry). They also briefly changed it to Universal Studios Escape Orlando which just made it sound like you were trying to escape Orlando.

Universal Epic Universe at Universal Orlando Resort is a bit heavy on the universe words.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The name of the resort was Universal Studios Escape. Studios was part of all of the names. Islands of Adventure was Universal Studios Islands of Adventure (you can still see this name in Port of Entry). They also briefly changed it to Universal Studios Escape Orlando which just made it sound like you were trying to escape Orlando.

Universal Epic Universe at Universal Orlando Resort is a bit heavy on the universe words.

They still got nothing on Disney Hollywood Studios Star Wars Land Star Wars Galaxy's Edge Batuu Black Spire Outpost.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

Test Track is so painfully mediocre. It desperately needs an update to justify its wait times.

It wouldn't have those wait times if it had a reputation for being painfully mediocre

 

[SplashJacket]

It wouldn't have those wait times if it had a reputation for being painfully mediocre

Wait time is not demand.

Wait time is a reflection of demand and capacity.

Test track has a very poor capacity. Coupled with Lightning Lane and single rider, the hourly capacity dedicated to Standby is likely in the low hundreds, which might make it worse than any other E-ticket at Disney.

 

[Bocabear]

It wouldn't have those wait times if it had a reputation for being painfully mediocre

people love rides and anything fast...simple... Look at the painfully long rides for any coaster in any of the WDW parks... There are very few fast rides at EPCOT, 3 including Mission Space. Anything fast, mediocre or even completely unremarkable would have a long line at EPCOT.
you could put the Barnstormer in EPCOT and it would have huge lines...

 

[osian]

Wait time is not demand.

Wait time is a reflection of demand and capacity.

Test track has a very poor capacity. Coupled with Lightning Lane and single rider, the hourly capacity dedicated to Standby is likely in the low hundreds, which might make it worse than any other E-ticket at Disney.

Test Track has higher capacity than Frozen Ever After. Single Rider doesn't contribute to reduced capacity in the standby line, unless you dictate that parties are split up, which doesn't happen on, say, Frozen ever After.

 

[ChrisFL]

They still got nothing on Disney Hollywood Studios Star Wars Land Star Wars Galaxy's Edge Batuu Black Spire Outpost.

Hagrid's Magical Creatures Motorbike Adventure (rollercoaster)

 

[SplashJacket]

Test Track has higher capacity than Frozen Ever After. Single Rider doesn't contribute to reduced capacity in the standby line, unless you dictate that parties are split up, which doesn't happen on, say, Frozen ever After.

If the ride is pumping through 1200 guests an hour, and allots 600 guests to Lightning Lane, then the standby line (the only line with a posted wait time) has to fit its throughput in those remaining 600 guests.

Single rider fills seats that would otherwise be empty, but if we’re looking at the overall throughput, single rider is exaggerating an already low capacity for stand by guests.

So instead of say 600 guests an hour for Standby (the ratio with LL is likely worse), you’d have maybe 400 standby (assuming 1 single per vehicle) or 500 for standby (assuming 1 single per 2 vehicle dispatches).