Beatlemania, February 1964

Goofyernmost

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I must have been tough to figure out, with all that there was to chose from, just what music to include in the show. They tended to stick to the rockers, but did have a couple of ballads in there as well. Paul seems to be having a bit of a problem with some of those high notes, but at 71 he did pretty well. Ringo, totally surprised me. I don't think in the 50 years that I have been aware of him I ever saw him with that much energy and animation. Not bad for a guy that is 74 years old. Pretty impressive actually. I was really surprised at how many of George's songs were in the show. Something, Here comes the Sun and While my Guitar Gently Weeps were all big production pieces. I'm glad to see him finally get some recognition, even if he isn't around to know it. Yoko Ono is 80, not sure if she was on something or just being Yoko. Looked like interpretive dance to me!

One of Paul's Daughters must have been out in the audience because I almost was shocked to see a Linda look alike in the group. Did anyone else notice her too? All in all, it brought back a lot of memories. I couldn't help but wonder what it would be like to be Paul or Ringo and be flashing back to those times that they actually lived. Must be kind of bittersweet.
 

prberk

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I'm not old enough to care...

What a shallow comment.

First: Why, then, did you even click on and reply to this thread?

Second, and more important: I should hope that you don't go through life thinking this way. You will miss a lot of truly great things that were made many years ago (and some not-so-great things), and you miss the opportunity to learn (good and bad) from the past. "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it," so they say.

Third: You won't always be young. What happens then? You want to talk to your grandchild about something that you know and have wisdom about, and he says, "I'm too young to care."

I am not trying criticize your youth: Just trying to help you maximize it by recognizing all of the potential around you, some of which comes from studying the past.
 

prberk

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Sorry to disagree, but they weren't even in the ballpark with Queen and the Beatles.
They had some good stuff, just not the same level of musical knowledge, ability and showmanship.

What about their "Pet Sounds" album? Some people put it right up there with (or above) the Beatles' "Sargeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band."

And if showmanship involves creating the show enough that it transports you to another time and place, I would say that their beach music (especially "California Girls") does that.
 

Lucky

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Original Poster
I always thought the beachboys were the best group of that ilk

What about their "Pet Sounds" album? Some people put it right up there with (or above) the Beatles' "Sargeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band."

And if showmanship involves creating the show enough that it transports you to another time and place, I would say that their beach music (especially "California Girls") does that.
I think Brian Wilson was brilliant, but basically drove himself crazy trying to keep up with the Beatles. He always felt outnumbered - the Beatles had at least 2 (I'd say 3) wonderfully creative songwriters and the Beach Boys had just one.
 

sonyfan

Active Member
Sorry to disagree, but they weren't even in the ballpark with Queen and the Beatles.
They had some good stuff, just not the same level of musical knowledge, ability and showmanship.

showmanshp I will leave to the stones the best group in their ilk lol

but even georgemartin the beatles producer said the best record he has ever heard was god only knows by the beachboys nuff said :)
 

alissafalco

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What a shallow comment.

First: Why, then, did you even click on and reply to this thread?

Second, and more important: I should hope that you don't go through life thinking this way. You will miss a lot of truly great things that were made many years ago (and some not-so-great things), and you miss the opportunity to learn (good and bad) from the past. "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it," so they say.

Third: You won't always be young. What happens then? You want to talk to your grandchild about something that you know and have wisdom about, and he says, "I'm too young to care."

I am not trying criticize your youth: Just trying to help you maximize it by recognizing all of the potential around you, some of which comes from studying the past.

I'm sorry if you took offense to what I wrote. I am not young by any means. I am 39 years old and I was a history major in college. So you don't have to lecture me about history. I also wouldn't be offended if my grandchild wasn't interested in my favorite band of my youth, as I would not be interested in their favorite teenie bopper band of the day. I might humor them however.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I'm not old enough to care...

Don't make me wash your mouth out with soap!! ;)

Most people's appreciation for music changes as they age... when you look back and look at some things its amazing how quickly some bands came and went, but left such an impact. Then to turn around and look at bands like the Stones.. who didn't just Tour for 30 years (like any number of bands) but actually put out HITS over so many decades.

When one stacks up the actual range or hit/miss ratio of these mega bands.. it's just mind boggling.

I just don't know how anyone can listen to a song like Hey Jude and not recognize it's power.

I used to not think Paul did much worthwhile after the Beatles.. but when you lay it out.. he's done incredible things.

Elton John and David Bowie are both acts that growing up I hated horribly.. mainly because of the 70s carry over both had. But when you go back to the music, and ignore the stage acts... brilliance.

That's the difference.. these bands can live on forever based on their music, not their TMZ antics.
 

3Caballeros

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I'm sorry if you took offense to what I wrote. I am not young by any means. I am 39 years old and I was a history major in college. So you don't have to lecture me about history. I also wouldn't be offended if my grandchild wasn't interested in my favorite band of my youth, as I would not be interested in their favorite teenie bopper band of the day. I might humor them however.
I am your same age and rank the Beatles in my top 5. My 5year old likes to listen to their music. And, i loved listening to my mom remember back to them being on Ed Sullivan.
So, to clarify, it's not about age of the person but their interests & likes. Otherwise, we would all hit 20 and have the "i'm too old to care about Disney" attitude.:)
 

Goofyernmost

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Don't make me wash your mouth out with soap!! ;)

Most people's appreciation for music changes as they age... when you look back and look at some things its amazing how quickly some bands came and went, but left such an impact. Then to turn around and look at bands like the Stones.. who didn't just Tour for 30 years (like any number of bands) but actually put out HITS over so many decades.

When one stacks up the actual range or hit/miss ratio of these mega bands.. it's just mind boggling.

I just don't know how anyone can listen to a song like Hey Jude and not recognize it's power.

I used to not think Paul did much worthwhile after the Beatles.. but when you lay it out.. he's done incredible things.

Elton John and David Bowie are both acts that growing up I hated horribly.. mainly because of the 70s carry over both had. But when you go back to the music, and ignore the stage acts... brilliance.

That's the difference.. these bands can live on forever based on their music, not their TMZ antics.
Don't miss-interpret this because I think Hey, Jude is great, but, mostly because of it's sing-ability. The words are few, the melody is catchy and it is fun to listen too. However, for songs with power it is hard to top, Let it be, In my Life, Revolution, or Blackbird. Here, There and Everywhere and Yesterday are also wonderfully worded and meaningful.

I would agree with your assessment of what Paul accomplished sans Beatles. Unfortunately, John was just off his sabbatical when he was killed and the stuff he was producing at that point, was equal to anything the Beatles, as a group, had done. He was back and then he was gone. Never got to give us what he still had in the reservoir.

The Stones are great and long lasting, but mostly stick to one genre. The Beatles have such a variety of sounds that it is almost impossible to label them in any one zone. The Stones are still playing and because of that, they are still producing fairly good stuff and are still in the minds of everyone mostly to see when Keith Richards realizes that he died years ago and falls over on stage. :jawdrop:

That show celebrated 50 years since they made their U.S. appearance. 50 years... but even more incredible then that, is the fact that they haven't been an active band for almost 44 years, yet can command a 2.5 hour block of Prime Time on a major network. When has that ever happened and what are the chances of it happening again. I'd think pretty small. The combination of performing and song writing were what has made them immortal. Didn't they at one point have all the top 5 songs on the charts at the same time?
 
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alissafalco

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I am your same age and rank the Beatles in my top 5. My 5year old likes to listen to their music. And, i loved listening to my mom remember back to them being on Ed Sullivan.
So, to clarify, it's not about age of the person but their interests & likes. Otherwise, we would all hit 20 and have the "i'm too old to care about Disney" attitude.:)

Oh boy... I like the Beatles too. I enjoy their music also. All I was saying is that I don't care that they landed in JFK 50 yrs ago.
 

prberk

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That show celebrated 50 years since they made their U.S. appearance. 50 years... but even more incredible then that, is the fact that they haven't been an active band for almost 44 years, yet can command a 2.5 hour block of Prime Time on a major network. When has that ever happened and what are the chances of it happening again. I'd think pretty small. The combination of performing and song writing were what has made them immortal.

I think there are several exceptions, but very few. Elvis, Johnny Cash, and (perhaps to a lesser extent) Michael Jackson come to mind.

On the 30th anniversary (2007) of Elvis' death, I went to Memphis with my brother and mother, and sat amazed at a sold out arena show with living members of his original bands and backup singers, singing live to a digitally projected image and voice track of "the king" himself. And it appeared just like a modern concert, since they all use those Jumbotrons these days.

I wonder if they will be doing the same for Justin Bieber or Kanye West or Taylor Swift in 40 years?

In all seriousness, though, I do like to find amazing new artists that can sing well, entertain well, and reach something in the soul of everyman... and yet also hit a music industry train that brings them to everyone. Those people are hard to find.
 

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