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Bad Santa and Bad PR for Disney
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3IdAlienKid
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Personally, I like some of what Miramax puts out, Kill Bill being one of them.
But I've never thought Disney's purchase of Miramax was a smart choice for Disney. From it's beginnings, Miramax has consistently put out films that match nothing of Disney's spirit. There is a place for these types of films (though I withhold judgement on Bad Santa since I've yet to see it and actually have no desire to). But a dingbat could have seen it was a terrible union from the start.
Looks like Katzenberg is still getting his revenge.
But I've never thought Disney's purchase of Miramax was a smart choice for Disney. From it's beginnings, Miramax has consistently put out films that match nothing of Disney's spirit. There is a place for these types of films (though I withhold judgement on Bad Santa since I've yet to see it and actually have no desire to). But a dingbat could have seen it was a terrible union from the start.
Looks like Katzenberg is still getting his revenge.
General Grizz
New Member
If Disney knows what they're doing, clap their hands...
*silence*
:lookaroun
If Disney knows what they're doing, stomp their feet?
*silence*
:lookaroun
If Disney knows what they're doing
And there's really no need for booing
If Disney knows what they're doing. . .
Praise Mr. Ei$ner!!
*silence*
:lookaroun
*silence*
:lookaroun
If Disney knows what they're doing, stomp their feet?
*silence*
:lookaroun
If Disney knows what they're doing
And there's really no need for booing
If Disney knows what they're doing. . .
Praise Mr. Ei$ner!!
*silence*
:lookaroun
GaryT977
New Member
I guess the simplest solution for this supposed problem would be for Mirimax to start losing money, then Disney would drop them. So, if you don't like the movies they make, don't go see them.
Personally, I thought the previews for Bad Santa looked hilarious. Honestly, I don't see what the problem is here. It's not released under the Disney name and there won't be any rides based on it. The professional Disney haters at places like the Drudge Report will slam Disney no matter what they do, so why not make some good movies and make some money at the same time?
Personally, I thought the previews for Bad Santa looked hilarious. Honestly, I don't see what the problem is here. It's not released under the Disney name and there won't be any rides based on it. The professional Disney haters at places like the Drudge Report will slam Disney no matter what they do, so why not make some good movies and make some money at the same time?
MouseMadness
Well-Known Member
Ah, movie makers have to make a point of being irreverent wherever possible. Santa's time had come, I suppose. :lol: I don't see how this movie will do too great, but I've been surprised before. I just can't imagine who their target audience is.
MouseMadness
Well-Known Member
Hehe, true, true, Gary. But I'm thinking that typically this movie would appeal to that 18-35 year old male group. (Something like that, lol) But with Billy Bob? I dunno... time will tell. I'm sure I'll end up watching it when it's on HBO. :lookaroun
General Grizz
New Member
So you think this film will do well and Disney will profit from it? 
Things like ESPN are fine. . . but Disney learned with "Are You Hot?" that they just can't do things like that. And no matter if the majority doesn't know Disney owns Miramax - mostly everyone I know knows it does - it degrades the company even moreso.
Things like ESPN are fine. . . but Disney learned with "Are You Hot?" that they just can't do things like that. And no matter if the majority doesn't know Disney owns Miramax - mostly everyone I know knows it does - it degrades the company even moreso.
Wilt Dasney
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It could do well...it all depends on how the movie defines itself. I read a piece that painted it more as a 'dislillusioned rascal in a Santa suit' picture, which I think would have wide appeal. Some of the scenes I read about at the link seem to cross the taste barrier pretty egregiously, but without context, I can't really judge. If the movie's just out to shock, then let it bomb, but I think it's possible that some folks are just playing up the 'drinking, swearing, promiscuous Santa' angle without looking at the entire thing. I could be wrong, o'course.
CTXRover
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Miramax does put out some pretty offensive stuff from time to time.
But just so people realize, Disney had the most Academy Award nominations last year than any other studio, and almost all of those were not from divisions associated with Disney (WDP and Touchstone), but rather just Miramax. In fact, last year's best picture, Chicago, was from Miramax and thus an Oscar win for Disney. In fact, Miramax had 8 out of the possible 15 nominations in 3 of the top categories: best picture, best actor and best actress. This brings prestige to the studio, despite some of the controversial stuff released from time to time. Without Miramax, Disney would hardly be represented at the Academy Awards, beyond a nomination for best animated feature.
But just so people realize, Disney had the most Academy Award nominations last year than any other studio, and almost all of those were not from divisions associated with Disney (WDP and Touchstone), but rather just Miramax. In fact, last year's best picture, Chicago, was from Miramax and thus an Oscar win for Disney. In fact, Miramax had 8 out of the possible 15 nominations in 3 of the top categories: best picture, best actor and best actress. This brings prestige to the studio, despite some of the controversial stuff released from time to time. Without Miramax, Disney would hardly be represented at the Academy Awards, beyond a nomination for best animated feature.
MouseMadness
Well-Known Member
I am wondering, is the "Santa" character TRULY supposed to be Santa? Or is he a mall santa?
Wilt Dasney
Well-Known Member
mall Santa
MouseMadness
Well-Known Member
Oh, then what's all the hullabaloo? :lookaroun
Wilt Dasney
Well-Known Member
It's the old "sacred cows" principle. You just can't make fun of certain things without upsetting some people, I guess.
Like I said already, I did think some of the stuff described at the link was on the tasteless side, but I haven't seen the movie to put it in context. I think the concept, at any rate, has some merit.
Like I said already, I did think some of the stuff described at the link was on the tasteless side, but I haven't seen the movie to put it in context. I think the concept, at any rate, has some merit.
I think it looks funny. I don't know that I'll go see it, because I don't see very many movies, but it still looks funny.
I happened to see Billy Bob on Dateline NBC or something like that on Sunday.
I expect plenty of cursing in the movie. He said he had lots and lots of lines to go back and change for TV or whatever the purpose is.
I happened to see Billy Bob on Dateline NBC or something like that on Sunday.
I expect plenty of cursing in the movie. He said he had lots and lots of lines to go back and change for TV or whatever the purpose is.
Call me old, call me old-fashioned, call me conservative, call me whatever, but I don't see the humor in stuff like this. Dropping the f-word just for humor sake does nothing for me, no matter the situation. Why resort to grade-school bathroom humor to make a movie?
My two cents and to each his own.....
My two cents and to each his own.....
prberk
Well-Known Member
I am sorry. You can be cynical and "tripe"-less without being vulgar and completely disrespectful.
You can also tell a story of a disillusioned store Santa who redeems himself without being vulgar. Watch the classic Christmas "Twilight Zone" episode, and watch Art Carney do it right...
prberk
Well-Known Member
I am sorry, but I do not think that the Academy Awards necessarily mean anything about "best picture" anymore.
And awards mean nothing with regard to simple right and wrong, and I think vulgarity in this context is destructive and unnecessary, especially since the story can be told (yes, meaningfully and well) without it.
Actors/writers/etc. are forever getting up on the Oscar stage and saying how they want to "make a difference" with their films. And that street works both ways: films like this make a difference, in glorifying purient interests and just plain trash.
Just think, Disney's money is not worth investing in traditional animation that is not entirely commercial (as Mr. Stainton gave as the reason for stopping production last week in Orlando), but this is worth the investment.... Hmmm...