Awaiting PotterSwatter...

Todd L

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my two cents..I was in orlando on a family reunion vacation when Harry Potter opened. My brother went to Universal with his family to see harry potter . I thought he was nut becasue this was maybe 3 or 4 weeks after it opened and he said the place was a ghost town.

Im hoping to do an onsite Universal vacation next year ...we look forward to it and I think well have a great time like we always do But I dont think The Disney people will miss us too much!!
 

StageFrenzy

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Like "ValveTime", we have "TDOTime" :p

But with valve a amazing game is usually the result of a long delay, TDO delays and cuts the budget at the same time. MK and EPCOT are probably immune to WWOHP. DHS and AK as well as other "bonus" activity will probably suffer as UNI will take 2-3 days from a visit.
 

wdwfan4ver

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I heard enough of a potter Swatter and I have bad feeling that there could an additional 5 to 15 Star War Land topics before D23 Expo starts from Aug. 9th to the 11th.

What Disney needs to do is improve the 4 parks and that includes Maintenance, updating attractions, and add new attractions. Yes, Star Wars is capable of being a Potter Swatter.

The thing is people should wait till the D23 Expo for creating more topics on Star Wars Land because there is only speculation at this point unless people like Lee, Martin get info before D23 Expo.

The fact is Cast members as sources is as bad as a bus driver as a WDW rumor source and that means they can't be taken seriously for Walt Disney World Rumors.
 

Todd L

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Even if Disney goes all out on Star Wars land, it's still Star Wars...a movie that's 40 years old and a bunch of sequels. It has a fan base, but so does Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'd rather visit Sunnydale than Star Wars land! But a small group of people isn't worth building a whole land for, IMO.

Most people will not be thrilled with a Star Wars land. The ride and the weekends are enough, IMO.

It lacks the popularity of Harry Potter.

But DHS needs something, so that would be fine. If they build that spaceship, I'll go see it. :) I have to go to DHS at least once a year to remind myself why I don't like it, anyway. :) And see BatB.


REALLY?? Man...I couldnt agree with you less. Star Wars Is TREMENDOUS and has been since 1977...Its gotten even bigger with the JJ abrams film annoucement and I cant Imagine ANY film having that kinda impact.

My 7 year old and every kid in his school Loves Star Wars thanks to The Clone Wars and The Lego games.

He owns every Star wars game there is and has No interest in Harry potter movies, games, toys or anything else.

Hp is def. a big deal but its less than 10 years old and I honestly doubt it will be around in any real sense in the next 15-20 years while Star Wars will go on for generations to come.
 

Maerj

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They don't need a Potter Swatter.

Disney has great parks. They just need to do their own, Disney thing with them.

I really don't think Disney needs franchise stuff. If they keep the parks clean, keep the rides working and make the parks they have pretty...maybe add a couple cool rides...that's enough. Well, that and street entertainment, side acts, that kind of stuff.

And they should use the popular Disney characters. Stop trying to push characters that aren't as popular.

Make it family-oriented (not little kiddie oriented) and have a few cool rides.

It wouldn't cost them billions and would do well.

What a sensible post. Welcome to wdwmagic.com!
 

Prince-1

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Even if Disney goes all out on Star Wars land, it's still Star Wars...a movie that's 40 years old and a bunch of sequels. It has a fan base, but so does Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'd rather visit Sunnydale than Star Wars land! But a small group of people isn't worth building a whole land for, IMO.

Most people will not be thrilled with a Star Wars land. The ride and the weekends are enough, IMO.

It lacks the popularity of Harry Potter.

But DHS needs something, so that would be fine. If they build that spaceship, I'll go see it. :) I have to go to DHS at least once a year to remind myself why I don't like it, anyway. :) And see BatB.

Man o' man, I couldn't disagree with you more Mr. Luv. Comparing the fan bases of Star Wars and Buffy is like comparing a five course meal at Victoria and Albert's to a turkey leg at MK (Trying to keep my analogies Disney related :)) It's not even close.

And I feel that people would sell their first born child (I'm 3rd born so I am safe!! ;) ) to get a full fledged Star Wars Land with all the attractions, shops, and restaurants. I mean having a real Mos Eisley Cantina to go into and partake in some funky space beverages. C'mon!!!

And It. Lacks. The. Popularity. Of. Harry. Potter???? Huh?? Double huh?? Both are extremely popular but Star Wars has been around, oh just slightly longer than HP. And I do believe once Disney starts to crank out the SW movie machine, it's popularity (which is always high) might just go up ever so slightly. Maybe a tad or a smidge. Sorry Luv but you might be slightly off on this.
 

Prock3

Member
Even if Disney goes all out on Star Wars land, it's still Star Wars...a movie that's 40 years old and a bunch of sequels. It has a fan base, but so does Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'd rather visit Sunnydale than Star Wars land! But a small group of people isn't worth building a whole land for, IMO.

Most people will not be thrilled with a Star Wars land. The ride and the weekends are enough, IMO.

It lacks the popularity of Harry Potter.

But DHS needs something, so that would be fine. If they build that spaceship, I'll go see it. :) I have to go to DHS at least once a year to remind myself why I don't like it, anyway. :) And see BatB.

Yes currently Star Wars does lack the popularity of Harry Potter, there is no possible way to deny that.
But SW has an advantage over HP, New Material! By 2020 there will be what 4 or 5 new Star Wars films, which will grow its popularity. If Disney manages to do even 3/4 of the job they've done with Marvel its popularity will grow immensely. If the first film manages to be an Avengers level success it could grow to current Marvel/Potter levels of popularity. Potter is still immensely popular, but it has already lost some of its popularity, any franchise does after its last movie/book comes out there is no way around it. I thought Ive heard some rumblings of JK writing additional Harry Potter books taking place before Harry, So who knows what that will do to its future.

Yes right now a Star Wars land might not be the giant draw we think it would be, but 5-6 years from now and after a string of hopefully successful movies it could very well turn into a huge draw.

Uni and Disney have two very different ways they plan their theme parks, Uni lives much more "in the moment" than Disney does, they tend to build newer and unproven properties and do it in a big way, things that might not hold popularity over time. (Ex. The mummy, jurassic park, Transformers, Men In Black, Jaws, fear factor, Twister, Despicable Me, Shrek, Marvel at the time it was built) This isn't a bad business plan by any means, but it does mean you have to constantly evolve and change things to keep up with the times. Disney likes to build on thing that have proven themselves to the test of time, things that they feel will always be classics. (Ex. Snow white, cinderella, the little mermaid, beauty and the beast, winnie the pooh, dumbo, peter pan, toy story, Star Wars) That doesn't mean they don't like to build on unproven properties, Avatar is a sign that they are moving away from their older business plan but its also showing they haven't figured out how to do it the right way and capitalize on its popularity. They effectively struck out on their first chance to capitalize on it and are waiting until their next at bat to try again. Yes they also built on an unproven property in Monsters Inc but the investment they put into those aren't nearly what it is when Uni builds on unproven properties.

As far is TDO is concerned I believe they don't want a potter swatter, they like that Uni is aggressively developing right now, its going to draw people to Orlando who otherwise wouldn't make a trip there, and while they are in Orlando they'll swing over to WDW for a day or two of fun. Some people might even decide to plan an additional trip to WDW they otherwise weren't going to take so they could go spend a day or two at URO. I don't agree with this plan and hope this isn't what they are doing because in the long run it could hurt them.
 

Violet

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Its going to draw people to Orlando who otherwise wouldn't make a trip there, and while they are in Orlando they'll swing over to WDW for a day or two of fun. Some people might even decide to plan an additional trip to WDW they otherwise weren't going to take so they could go spend a day or two at URO.

I could see this scenario. I can also see a reverse scenario as Universal improves, that isn't as favorable to WDW. Ex: our family would be more likely to split up a week between WDW and Universal. So we wouldn't add expense/time to our trips, but divide it up more equally between the two destinations. WDW would lose on that split.
 
Yes currently Star Wars does lack the popularity of Harry Potter, there is no possible way to deny that.
But SW has an advantage over HP, New Material! By 2020 there will be what 4 or 5 new Star Wars films, which will grow its popularity. If Disney manages to do even 3/4 of the job they've done with Marvel its popularity will grow immensely. If the first film manages to be an Avengers level success it could grow to current Marvel/Potter levels of popularity. Potter is still immensely popular, but it has already lost some of its popularity, any franchise does after its last movie/book comes out there is no way around it. I thought Ive heard some rumblings of JK writing additional Harry Potter books taking place before Harry, So who knows what that will do to its future.

Yes right now a Star Wars land might not be the giant draw we think it would be, but 5-6 years from now and after a string of hopefully successful movies it could very well turn into a huge draw.

As far is TDO is concerned I believe they don't want a potter swatter, they like that Uni is aggressively developing right now, its going to draw people to Orlando who otherwise wouldn't make a trip there, and while they are in Orlando they'll swing over to WDW for a day or two of fun. Some people might even decide to plan an additional trip to WDW they otherwise weren't going to take so they could go spend a day or two at URO. I don't agree with this plan and hope this isn't what they are doing because in the long run it could hurt them.


I agree that Disney is probably happy to have more people coming to Orlando. Harry Potter hasn't seemed to hurt the bottom line yet, as Disney Parks division profits are way up this year. (Though that could be because of DCA)
I think the average family that goes once every 5 years is more concerned about getting the picture taken at the castle and meeting Mickey then what new stuff Disney or Uni is building.

That being said it would be great if this did get Disney to build a Star Wars land!
 

ImagineerDude

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They don't need a Potter Swatter.

Disney has great parks. They just need to do their own, Disney thing with them.

I really don't think Disney needs franchise stuff. If they keep the parks clean, keep the rides working and make the parks they have pretty...maybe add a couple cool rides...that's enough. Well, that and street entertainment, side acts, that kind of stuff.

And they should use the popular Disney characters. Stop trying to push characters that aren't as popular.

Make it family-oriented (not little kiddie oriented) and have a few cool rides.

It wouldn't cost them billions and would do well.
Well said!

I saw the HP Announcement on FB Page....4.4k likes, then I saw picture of a little kid sleeping in a princess costume in Disney....34k likes. So obviously Disney is doing something right ;)
 

Prock3

Member
I could see this scenario. I can also see a reverse scenario as Universal improves, that isn't as favorable to WDW. Ex: our family would be more likely to split up a week between WDW and Universal. So we wouldn't add expense/time to our trips, but divide it up more equally between the two destinations. WDW would lose on that split.
I think its dangerous in the long run as well. Short term it could work in their favor but in the long run people who were blown away by URO could just as easily plan vacations their instead of WDW.
 

Captain Chaos

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Keep waiting...

As far as Star Wars goes... 4 or 5 new Star Wars films in the next 7 years will either expand the popularity or sink it... if the movies are bad (and they very well could be), then Star Wars could slowly die...
 

luv

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Man o' man, I couldn't disagree with you more...sorry Luv but you might be slightly off on this.
I could be! We will see (assuming thy build it.)

But I don't think I'm wrong about them needing franchise stuff. They are their own popular franchise.

They just need to go back to basics and be Disney, not the company that is always trying to copy Uni.
 

Disneyhead'71

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I attended the GRAND Re-Opening of Star Tours 2. Here is the line:

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Oh wait wrong pic, that's the grand opening of Potter. Anyway The day Star Tours re-opened I waited 35 mins around noon.
 

Disneyhead'71

Well-Known Member
REALLY?? Man...I couldnt agree with you less. Star Wars Is TREMENDOUS and has been since 1977...Its gotten even bigger with the JJ abrams film annoucement and I cant Imagine ANY film having that kinda impact.

My 7 year old and every kid in his school Loves Star Wars thanks to The Clone Wars and The Lego games.

He owns every Star wars game there is and has No interest in Harry potter movies, games, toys or anything else.

Hp is def. a big deal but its less than 10 years old and I honestly doubt it will be around in any real sense in the next 15-20 years while Star Wars will go on for generations to come.
Umm, Potter has been the highest selling literary series on the planet for 17 years. And I'll match your anecdotal evidence with, you couldn't PAY my 2 daughters (12 and 17) to go see a Star Wars movie (I even tried bribing them), yet they both have read all 7 Potter books several times over.
 

Disneyhead'71

Well-Known Member
There is no doubt that Star Wars is a powerhouse IP and is right there with Lord of the Rings. But the fat and aging (in other words, Me) fan base is less motivated than the rabid, young, and hysterical Potteyheads. At my age, I saw Ep. 4 in the theater 27 times in 1977, I would avoid a scene like the Potter grand opening like the plague.
 

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