Aviation/Space Theme Park with private airport proposal for Walt Disney World?

Meyers

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Originally posted by Mikejakester
was this park acttually proposed to Disney Inc?

woun't a Airfield where aircraft land and depart violate the law of Disney that says aircraft can land but don't take off in disney property??

This idea, is not bad at all.. I actually like it... but im trying to find the Link to disney...:(


:wave:

Regarding the operation of aircraft over WDW. There is no Disney law saying a plane can land, but not take off as far as I know.

I recently reseached the No Fly Zone over WDW placed by the FAA and at Disney's request just before the war with Iraq started. It means that no one is allowed fly within three miles of Cinderella's castle (3 mile radius) and below 3,000 ft over the WDW. Exceptions are for police and security.

This zone presently ends at the southern boundery of the thee other parks. It will be kept "indefinitely" as quoted by the FAA, although it is actually a temporary flight restriction (TFR) order.

Exception could be made such as if Disney wanted airspace clearance for the proposed "DisneySky" airport But lifting of the NFZ would probably be necessary for Disney to realistically proceed with the airport and related theme park plans.

As for your question if this park idea was actually proposed to Disney - no. Wish I had the opportunity after 20 years.

However, I think there is a chance that Imagineering and some Disney executives might know of the proposal. For several reasons. First, I should repeat that Disney does not solicit ideas outside the company. Disney has to approach you to discuss your idea or have you develop an idea for an attraction for them.

I don't know of a entire park whose theme was created by an outside source. This is to avoid being accused of stealing an idea. Some years ago, a man met with Disney and showed WDW a plan for a sports complex. They did not buy the man's idea, but sometime later, as you know, a similar sports complex was built? Did Disney steal the idea?

My feeling is that you cannot steal a general idea, it has to have a name, a specific layout, specifically named attractions, etc.

Anyone can build a marine life amusement park, but you can't call it SeaWord, have whale named Shamu or have a too similar looking logo for the marine park.

Back to my proposed "DisneySky" aviation theme park which is my name by the way unless Disney copyrights it which actually would be a real good sign!

Although all Disney executives are closed lip about discussing unsolicited ideas like my concept, I did have an opportunity to very generally discuss Disney's possible interest with an executive as far back as 1980 while looking for a financial partner for the San Diego park project. I was told that the company was too busy with Tokyo at the time and likely would not be involved in a non-Disney park project unless designed and built from scratch.

Next attempt was in the early 1990's when I wrote several letters to Burbank Corporate to different executives from Eisner on down, but couldn't get through the "candy curtain" as I called it. All letters were returned unopened (?) with a cover letter saying Disney did not accept outside solicitations, but thank you very much.

In 1999, I toured Walt Disney World and managed to talk with some middle managment types who politely listened, some looked at the plans saying the concept had potential, but remarked that I would have to convince Corporate Disney. Round in a circle.

I think someone in Imagineering is aware of the concept since the San Diego proposed park was public information having been covered by newspapers in the late 1970's (pre-Eisner) including the LA Times. Also, once when I applied to Imagineering in Glendale in 2000, I was asked for some artwork and I sent the color brochure on the old San Diego project as part of my resume.

That artwork was never returned. It probably is sitting in a file marked "aviation" or "aviation theme concepts."

Interesting, Disney's America Victory Field is very similar to my old Silver Wings Field section, both WWII air bases with hangars and airplanes, but why wouldn't they be?

As for 2003, guess all I can do, aside from marrying one of Michael Eisner's kin, is keeping trying including using this relatively new medium of the Internet. Word might slip into someone's ears, but its a real long shot.

I plan to establish my own website with details on the proposed park be it "DisneySky" or one of its original names such as Aero World or Aero Park America. As this stage, it is matter of luck perhaps being at the right place at the right time, one of the reasons I'm moving back to Los Angeles from Palm Springs to be near DLR and Corporate Disney.

If Michael Eisner ever saw the concept plans and thought it had potential, all he would have to do is snap his fingers and it would at least become a planning exercise for Imaginnering.

Meyers


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Meyers

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Originally posted by Mikejakester
You say you have drawing and plans and everything... sounds awsome... :wave:

Yes, I have artwork of the masterplan, sections and individual attractions. But I am still in the progress of getting it all together, so it all can be scanned for its own new website.

I hesitate to give you this other website address for another similar project, but it will give you some idea of what an aviation theme park might look like.

But a couple things first, my plan originated in 1974, with modifications in 1976 and 1982. I have no reason to think the other group knew of our original San Diego plan, even though their plan was not conceived until 2000, some 25 years later!

There are a lot of things I feel wrong with their plan and I have told them so. I think my plan is a better one and better thought out. As is, their plan is more of a museum complex than an amusement park and I think would not be up to Disney standards to compete with WDW's other parks. It comes off to me as sort of a very weak Disney's California Adventure without the major rides.

I'll leave you to review it and comment, maybe identifying what needs improvement or changes. Afterwards, I'll give you the rest of my critique if you are interested.

One thing that hampers their layout is that they are confined to an existing 100 acre site with structures. My plan of course, would be more flexible in design adjusting to whatever vacant site Disney would have available at Walt Disney World.

At present their project called FlightWorks, is stalled for lack of funding which is what killed my old San Diego park project.

www.parks-aerospace.org is the address.

Meyers


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Mr D

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I like the idea of a sky or atmosheric theme, the ride at TDS, Stormrider, about a weather experiment going wrong from what I hear is a great ride. A lot of theming could be about the future of our atmosphere and how we need to curb pollution.
There could be a lot of mention of dirigibles or even fantasy style craft like the one about the Master of the World, a Wells novel I think. Would be a way to introduce a sky tower type of ride or even bring back a skyway, sure its just a gondola but lots of people loved it. What would really be cool is a reproduction of a Pan-Am clipper permanently moored in a lagoon as a floating museum or resturant, make an aeromarine exibit of the famous racing seaplanes of the 30's.
Or better yet...bring in the Spruce Goose!
There are other things like a giant mega-ferris wheel, slingshot rides and such. Only major problems though tends to be Floridas weather and lighting which would shut down most rides that were very tall plus any possible hurricanes or tornadoes.
 

O I Sleep

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Originally posted by Meyers
I know it is long way off for a decision on what the theme of WDW's fifth theme park will be, but I would to get input regarding an original concept for a new park.

Tentatively named, "DisneySky," it would be a park about the size of Disney/MGM Studios and feature a small private airport as part of its design. It would be to aviation and space, what DisneySea is to the oceans.

If such a similar quality park could be built, I think it would compliment the other WDW parks real well. And perhaps offer limited small airline service to the resort, as well as, other aviation activites/events in connection with the theme park.

Phase I could just be the airport and related themed buildings.

Afterall, WDW has a sport complex, boating and an auto racing stadium to broaden its appeal to specific interests of visitors.

This proposed "DisneySky" park would offer a balanced mix of kids rides and activities theme to flying, family rides and entertainment, a major dark ride on the history of aviation and a number of E-ticket attractions including using the latest rollercoaster technology. If Mission: Space and Soarin' weren't already coming to WDW, they would be perfect fits.

A unique theatrical airshow would be presented daily including vintage WW I aircraft including the Red Baron's. Balloons, hang gliders, ultralights would also use the 5,000 ft. airstrip.

One of secondary purposes of the park would be to help interest young people in aviation careers. Also experience the fun of flying and perhaps gain a little appreciation about aviation and space history.

Sections of "DisneySky" might include 1900's European Village, Red Baron Aerodrome, Barnstormers Fair, Mickey's Little Airport, Fantasy Aero World, 1930's Golden Dreams Airport, WWII Silver Wings Field and AeroSpace Center ( present day aviation, jets, rockets and space).

What are your thoughts on such a proposal?

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eh thats a brilliant idea, perfect opportunity to bring back Take Flight, i always loved that ride.
 

Meyers

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Originally posted by Mr D
I like the idea of a sky or atmosheric theme, the ride at TDS, Stormrider, about a weather experiment going wrong from what I hear is a great ride. A lot of theming could be about the future of our atmosphere and how we need to curb pollution.
There could be a lot of mention of dirigibles or even fantasy style craft like the one about the Master of the World, a Wells novel I think. Would be a way to introduce a sky tower type of ride or even bring back a skyway, sure its just a gondola but lots of people loved it. What would really be cool is a reproduction of a Pan-Am clipper permanently moored in a lagoon as a floating museum or resturant, make an aeromarine exibit of the famous racing seaplanes of the 30's.
Or better yet...bring in the Spruce Goose!
There are other things like a giant mega-ferris wheel, slingshot rides and such. Only major problems though tends to be Floridas weather and lighting which would shut down most rides that were very tall plus any possible hurricanes or tornadoes.

A ride based on the sky itself might be a good idea and since "DisneySky" would be a Disney park, it could have a ride similar to Stormrider in TDS. It could have an evironmental message too.

Yes, balloons and dirigibles would be in plan and there are a number of fantasy stories that haven't been used. Master of the World, Around the World in 80 Days and Island at the Top of the World (a Disney movie yet).

A skytower might be nice, but SeaWorld has one and unless it was really different, I doubt if Disney would build one. I like skyrides, but again I wonder if Disney would operate another one after closing the one at the Magic Kingdom. However, skyrides are successfully operating all over the world.

Any tall ride or structure at the proposed "DisneySky" park would have to take height into consideration since the theme park show planes would be flying off and around the park's adjacent airstrip.

No chance for the Spruce Goose for it is permanently located in an Oregon museum. Disney actually had control of the huge plane once while it was on display in Long Beach, but was not included in its proposed Port Disney plans.

The suggestion of a lagoon is fine and it could be used for a seaplane exhibit and perhaps a ride themed to Baloo and his Friends who once were in a Disney TV cartoon series. It also could be a venue for aerial shows and displays.

Yes, the weather in Florida could be somewhat a problem for both some rides and flying activities. But I guess Disney has learned how to deal with it.

As you can see, there is a lot of latitude in creating rides and attractions themed to aviation history, flying fantasies and space flight.

I hope Disney will consider such an theme park concept in the future. I think it is unique and would fit in well with WDW's four other parks.

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Meyers

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Re: Re: Aviation/Space Theme Park with private airport proposal for Walt Disney World?

Originally posted by O I Sleep
eh thats a brilliant idea, perfect opportunity to bring back Take Flight, i always loved that ride.

Thanks for your support of the concept, I loved Take Flight too and its earlier similar version when it was sponsored by Eastern Airlines as the official airline of Walt Disney World. "If You Had Wings" was a nice dark ride, but never gave Pirates of the Carribean cause to be concerned.

I see the ride has been replaced by Buzz Lightyear which probably has more appeal to kids, but I miss the original ride. At least it uses exactly the same track configuration.

Maybe it could return in an improved verison at "DisneySky" whichever airline would care to sponsor it again and become the official airline again of WDW.

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PhotoDave219

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Originally posted by Meyers

Michael Eisner said that after the cancellation of the Disney's America project in Virginia, that he thought the company would build a "history park" someday. This could be that park and unlike in Virginia, Disney owns the land and has approval to what is built on its property.

Forgive me if i come off as a sarcastic prick, but i live in that part of the world, 8 miles to the north of the proposed park and Youve got your facts wrong and you can check the Washington Post archives if you want to see what i mean. Disney did own the land in virginia. They owned it and got the state to improve the roads leading out that way. What they didnt get was approval from Prince William County. The locals (not me) were screaming all this "Save the Battlefield" BS and sucesssfully blocked approval for Disney to build.

Now disney has sold off all the land to developers who are building houses exponentially. All the prophicies that the locas said about Disney comming to the area, all the bad things that would happen already have. And i still dont have a theme park nearby.
 

Meyers

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Originally posted by PhotoDave219
Forgive me if i come off as a sarcastic prick, but i live in that part of the world, 8 miles to the north of the proposed park and Youve got your facts wrong and you can check the Washington Post archives if you want to see what i mean. Disney did own the land in virginia. They owned it and got the state to improve the roads leading out that way. What they didnt get was approval from Prince William County. The locals (not me) were screaming all this "Save the Battlefield" BS and sucesssfully blocked approval for Disney to build.

Now disney has sold off all the land to developers who are building houses exponentially. All the prophicies that the locas said about Disney comming to the area, all the bad things that would happen already have. And i still dont have a theme park nearby.

No problem. I stand corrected if your information is from a newspaper article which I would think is valid. As a onetime developer myself, I just assumed that Disney would have optioned the land and purchased it contingent on ALL government approval being obtained. Prudent, in my opinion.

But Disney has tons of money to risk on such ventures.

This is what happened on our proposed San Diego aviation theme park project called Aero World in 1980. But we could not get the park financed and in late 1982 with the four year options running out, were forced to sell the property off (at a profit) for a big business park.

Everytime I am in San Diego I drive up to the mesa where the 200 acres was located, now cluttered with commercial buildings of all types. One of the main boulevards happens to line up with the proposed 5,000 ft. runway! Standing on it, I try to imagine the theme park which we worked on for seven years, lined up along the runway instead of the usual business park buildings.

Do you think Disney made a profit on the sale of the land?

Too bad you didn't get your theme park. Maybe it will reappear in Florida or Texas one day.

Meyers


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mickeykid79

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I LOVE THE IDEA !

DisneySky
DisneySeas
Disney America
Disney's Shadowlands(villian park)

As a student in Urban Designing and theme park design. I can see all of these ideas work. You never know, take EPCOT center, a proposed city, now a theme park. Disney World does have an airstrip already next to the parking enterance to MK.

DisneySky, could be a perfect place to demostrate outdorr inverted rollercoasters themed to gliders and jet fighters. a great movie ride would be the "Final flight of the Hinndeburg(?)" or "Mickey's Plane Crazy coaster".

If atteandance is a problem, them perhaps combine all the ideas together. Disney's Seas & Skies Park.

Besides Since JFK Space Center now charges to visit the complex, why not some completition.

And if all this a just a rumor, THANK GOD!! I'm getting tired of listening to Project Gemini, if and when it actaully happens.:wave:
 

Meyers

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Originally posted by mickeykid79
I LOVE THE IDEA !

DisneySky
DisneySeas
Disney America
Disney's Shadowlands(villian park)

As a student in Urban Designing and theme park design. I can see all of these ideas work. You never know, take EPCOT center, a proposed city, now a theme park. Disney World does have an airstrip already next to the parking enterance to MK.

DisneySky, could be a perfect place to demostrate outdorr inverted rollercoasters themed to gliders and jet fighters. a great movie ride would be the "Final flight of the Hinndeburg(?)" or "Mickey's Plane Crazy coaster".

If atteandance is a problem, them perhaps combine all the ideas together. Disney's Seas & Skies Park.

Besides Since JFK Space Center now charges to visit the complex, why not some completition.

And if all this a just a rumor, THANK GOD!! I'm getting tired of listening to Project Gemini, if and when it actaully happens.:wave:

Thank you for your comments.

I was aware of the airstrip near EPCOT and once visited the location. I assume you are aware that it was built in the late '80's for Disney executives to visit Disney/MGM Studios then under construction. It is closed now and was strictly a private airport never open to the public.

Yes, I agree the aviation/space theme lends itself to exciting coasters with a flight or space theme. As for the other movie rides you mentioned, I don't think the Hindenburg is a good subject for I don't think people should be reminded of the dangers in flying, but more about the fun of flying. But I think the suggestion of a Mickey's Plane Crazy coaster is a good idea (I guess you are a Disney fan to know about that old cartoon).

I like DisneySea and the idea of perhaps combining it with the proposed "DisneySky" park is an interesting idea, taking the best of both. Another person did not think that an entire park could be done on aviation and space, but I disagree.

As for Kennedy Space Center, another person felt that "DisneySky" would be competition for Space Center visitors and not a good idea. However, I don't think a Disney version of space attractions would hurt the real NASA thing.

"DisneySky" is not a rumor, but it also is not an official Disney project, just a concept of my imagination. I would like to encourage Disney to eventually build an aviation history/fantasies of flight/space theme park at WDW.

My concept is not a fantasy dream, but was a real theme park project once under development for San Diego in the late 1970's. Called Aero World, the project was a seven year effect including purchasing a 200 acre site near La Jolla and securing all government approvals. But the severe recession of 1982 made it impossible to obtain financing for the $100 million project and the theme park had to abandoned for an business park.

Even after 20 years, I still think the concept is valid and I hope one day Disney will build the project and do it right.

As for Project Gemini, I hope it is not undertaken. EPCOT is my favorite WDW park and is unique. It mainly needs updating and newer rides.

Future World needs to be more fun and not take itself so seriously which it what I thought from day one. But I don't think plunking down rollercoasters all over the place is the answer. Soarin' is fine. Mission: Space is fine. Test Track is fine, although I liked World in Motion too.

I don't see forests of trees as adding much since the entire park is surrounded by forests of trees!!!!! I'd rather see a couple small interesting mini-pavilions in place of those suggested forests.

And a few flower pots. ???

Thank you for your ideas and support of the "DisneySky" proposal.

Meyers


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PhotoDave219

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All i know is that i'm going to enjoy the opening Langley Annex of the NASM up by Dulles Airport - if they can ever get the bloody exit off route 28 finished! Ive seen it from the outside, its less than 100 yards from the building i work in. Huge buildings. Just huge. Should be damm impressive with the Enola Gay, an SR71 and the Space Shuttle Enterprise and a lot of little stuff.

And throwing my $.11 cents on this issue.... Given the choice between going to the Cape or a Disney themed Aero/Space park, i'd take the Cape. Its where i'd spend my money.

Plane and simple, this is one instance where i'll take reality over Disney.
 

MickeyTigg

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I agree that a 5th park, no matter what the theme is an extreme long shot, if it has any shot at all. The opening of AK has proven that Disney can't add another park to increase attendance...all another park will do is further cannabilize the other parks. Disney needs to spend money increasing the viability of it's existing parks not spend money and talent creating another park.
 

Meyers

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Originally posted by Tigger Boing
I agree that a 5th park, no matter what the theme is an extreme long shot, if it has any shot at all. The opening of AK has proven that Disney can't add another park to increase attendance...all another park will do is further cannabilize the other parks. Disney needs to spend money increasing the viability of it's existing parks not spend money and talent creating another park.

I do agree that Disney should spend money and its talent on improving the viability its present parks.

Attendance drop at WDW parks, in my opinion, have not been so much due to the parks themselves, but the effect of terrorism and soft economy. Who knows how long the terrorism threat will remain? It may be decades.

I don't agree that a 5th or even 6th park is a real long shot. AK has had its problems particularily opening with not enough attractions and people not quite understanding what the new park was meant to be. I also think too much money was spent on it for what was built, over $750,000,000 I understand.

There might some cannibalizing of other parks going on, but evidently not enough that Disney didn't stop at EPCOT and added two more parks, not to mention the waterparks.

I think there will a 5th park, but probably is a long way off, 2010 at least. And the company seems occupied at the moment with creating foreign parks particularily since it does not have put up all the money as with WDW.

It may well depend on the timing, financial status of the company, CEO leadership and actual theme chosen as to when a 5th park is built at WDW.

I wouldn't be surprised that before present CEO Michael Eisner leaves the company perhaps at the end of his contract in 2006, that he has set in motion the 5th WDW theme park project to be built later on. That park's theme mostly likey would be Disney's America since he was very supportive of the American History theme.

Of course, I hope it would a "DisneySky" park or at least a combination of both DisneySky and DisneySea theme park concepts. They also have history elements to them both.

It's 100% in Michael Eisner's hands now since he has the power and unchallenged control of the Board of Directors.

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Mikejakester

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i developed a ride desing for one of my college clases about 2 yers ago. when I first tought of it , I thought if it going into universal or a six flags, since it had nothing to do with with Disney... But with this new Idea of Disney sky it would definatly fitin the park. The concept talked about combining simultion sincronized with a rollercoaster. Using Lim for take off, zero G rolls and high speed turns to simulate an arial Dog Fight. The train it self would look like a copit, and you would have to put on a helmet which has some kind of LCD cideo screen and sound system. Projection an actual Dog fight syncornized with the chills and spills of a rollercoaster.

And with this disneysky thing, I bet it can be changed into an airshow. You flying on one of "DisneyAngels" (the disney's new airshow airacrobatic fleet):hammer: Fly along side the other 6 F-16 Falcons as they do there daily air balay dance in the sky.
I think it would make a hell of an experience... Closes you could get without actually getting into a jet fighter.

I might consider proposing to Vekoma, or B&W or whoever gives me a chance, once I get a more detailed presentation.
:wave:
 

Meyers

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Originally posted by Mikejakester
i developed a ride desing for one of my college clases about 2 yers ago. when I first tought of it , I thought if it going into universal or a six flags, since it had nothing to do with with Disney... But with this new Idea of Disney sky it would definatly fitin the park. The concept talked about combining simultion sincronized with a rollercoaster. Using Lim for take off, zero G rolls and high speed turns to simulate an arial Dog Fight. The train it self would look like a copit, and you would have to put on a helmet which has some kind of LCD cideo screen and sound system. Projection an actual Dog fight syncornized with the chills and spills of a rollercoaster.

And with this disneysky thing, I bet it can be changed into an airshow. You flying on one of "DisneyAngels" (the disney's new airshow airacrobatic fleet):hammer: Fly along side the other 6 F-16 Falcons as they do there daily air balay dance in the sky.
I think it would make a hell of an experience... Closes you could get without actually getting into a jet fighter.

I might consider proposing to Vekoma, or B&W or whoever gives me a chance, once I get a more detailed presentation.
:wave:

Mike, I think your idea has possibilities. If I understand correctly, the concept is to combine a steel rollercoaster ride with a synchronized "virtual reality" LCD presentation by use of wearing a helmet.

The theme could be either military jets or aerobatic show planes such as you mentioned.

(By the way, the proposed DisneySky park might sponsor a real aerobatic team at airshows around the world and possibly at the WDW park itself. I also would like to see the WDW Disney balloons in operation at DisneySky including Ear Force One).

Back to your ride concept. I must admit that I haven't been to OIA and ridden some their latest technology attractions. I have ridden a large motion theatre, at least ten years ago, that was synchronized to a film which is what I think Back to the Future basically is I guess. Stars Tours is similar but, instead of one large single motion theatre holding 40 or so, it uses smaller individual motion simulators with the screen installed as part of "unit."

Sounds like what you are trying to do is sort of replace the stationary motion simulators with individual coaster cars themed to jet cockpits, and instead of one large screen or small unit screens, use LCD projection helmets to create the visual flying or combat plus the physical coaster ride for the actual real movement action.

Now, I'm not an engineer like you are studying to be. A couple things come to mind. I think the ride might have to be enclosed in a dark building to not have outside distractions. Or maybe dimmly lit surrounded only by blue sky and clouds (special effects "clouds" zooming by).

A problem from the operational aspect is the use of the helmets (though they theme nicely as pilots would wear and even real jet pilots have "heads up" displays nowadays). They might be awkward, time consuming to put on and important to Disney, cost a lot of money. Imagine everyone on Rock 'n Rollercoaster having to first don a helmet that is properly working. And their maintenance. An engineer needs to also think about the maintenance cost required for any ride.

But not be negative, I would think the entire ride out in more detail and answer the questions I have posed.

When you have completed them, draw up specific plans and maybe even copyright them and a name or two. Imagineers won't pay you much attention, but if you could interest Vekoma which has done business with Disney, there might be a small chance for them to get Disney's attention.

I know one company, Arrow I think, that has built rides for Disney in the past and is working on a prototype roll-over coaster with sections like real tight tube-like corkscrews with riders in capsule-type cars. Not too far from you idea, but with no theming or LCD helmets.

Keep thinking,

Meyers


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Mikejakester

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Now, I'm not an engineer like you are studying to be. A couple things come to mind. I think the ride might have to be enclosed in a dark building to not have outside distractions. Or maybe dimmly lit surrounded only by blue sky and clouds (special effects "clouds" zooming by).

By puting on the helmet it will blind you from anything outside. The only thing you will see is the video screen in the helment...

The helmet has a lot of draw back, like you said, mantainance, loading time, and hygiene problemsect.

altho I once did thought of a preshow, training people how to put on the helment. but whatever hahaha.

Another thing that would replce the helmets is sorround the copit with a cover, or some kind of 360 screen.

But I always thought the helmets gave it this special detail to it. Close to the real thing....

Anyways about the arobatic Fleet doing airshows at Disneysky, I think thats a must... Disney having their own acrobatic Fleet. It would add this Cool Edge to Disney... Like the Blue Angels, And the thurder Falcons??( or thunderbirds? I forgot their name)

but back to the ride. They are alot of details that I haven't looked at yet. But I bet if developed right we could have a first of it's kind.
 

Meyers

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Originally posted by Mikejakester
By puting on the helmet it will blind you from anything outside. The only thing you will see is the video screen in the helment...

The helmet has a lot of draw back, like you said, mantainance, loading time, and hygiene problemsect.

altho I once did thought of a preshow, training people how to put on the helment. but whatever hahaha.

Another thing that would replce the helmets is sorround the copit with a cover, or some kind of 360 screen.

But I always thought the helmets gave it this special detail to it. Close to the real thing....

Anyways about the arobatic Fleet doing airshows at Disneysky, I think thats a must... Disney having their own acrobatic Fleet. It would add this Cool Edge to Disney... Like the Blue Angels, And the thurder Falcons??( or thunderbirds? I forgot their name)

but back to the ride. They are alot of details that I haven't looked at yet. But I bet if developed right we could have a first of it's kind.

Well, regarding the helmet, the closest thing to it that I have put on my head was virtual reality 3D googles with a strap to hold it on. This was over ten years ago at a trade show, I thought the small screen not detailed or realistic enough, but then I'm not of the video game generation. But I know games have been greatly improved since then.

I like the pilot's helmet idea, but you recognized the drawbacks, so you would have to come up with a newer generation LCD display system that would be practical for the intense use it would get on a major ride. I hadn't even thought about the hygiene factor, you mentioned.

The pre-show is an logical place to prep the riders and hopefully speed up the loading. Maybe riders could board the coaster with helmets on??? Needs more thought.

If you enclosed the coaster car, then you might as well just do it cheaper as a stationary simulator, for if you have no impression of actually seeing the coaster ride aspect at all, why have a coaster? But this is what Imagineers do, figure out how to find a solution to a problem.

I read that Tony Baxter, an Imagineer solved a problem with the Indiana Jones ride at Disneyland of having the vehicle stop and go in reverse for a short time, not mechanical possible, but solved it by coming up with a traveling car wash equipment concept, in which the Indy vehicle does not backup, but stops and the scenery rolls back, giving the impression of backing up!!! Brilliant!

The Air Force team is called the Thunderbirds. I think it a natural to have a ride/attraction with both or either the the Thunderbirds or Blue Angels perhaps featuring a high speed noisy jet launch.

Maybe the next time you are at WDW, you can see how Mission: Space is handling its loading procedure. Soft opens on August 15th. It has simulated cockpits, six in a vehicle I believe, but no helmets of course. It might give you a some ideas and how to take your ride concept to the next level. Rock 'n Rollercoaster may also be good to ride for research too. Space Mountain has fairly standard loading for Disney.

Do you know of any high capacity ride/attraction that uses goggles or helmets at the moment at any theme park?

Keep thinking

Meyers


"DisneySky," Walt Disney World, 2010
 

Mikejakester

Active Member
Hey today I had my first day back to school, and I had my physics lab at 8, The teacher gave his info and dsimissed us early and I had 3 hours to think... I came up with a new train for the coaster.

If you enclosed the coaster car, then you might as well just do it cheaper as a stationary simulator, for if you have no impression of actually seeing the coaster ride aspect at all, why have a coaster? But this is what Imagineers do, figure out how to find a solution to a problem.

The simple reason of having the coaster is to simulate areal combat manuvers Impossible to recreate on a stationary Hydrolics simulator, like a zero G Rool, Barrel Rolls, Corkscrews, loops, helix(high speed turns), etc.

The closes thing that I have seen similar to this is mission space, where they actually add G forces with virtual scenery. But it's just that, G's No turns or anything. No weightlessness.


Well today while waiting for my Calculus III class to start I thought out a new desing, I came up with an enclosed train. with 3 screens, one to the right one to the left and one in the front. think of Mission space, but add 2 screens on the side doors. I did some drawings, and Im going to do them in auto cad and post them here when Im done, I'll explain a little more in detail when I post the pictures...
 

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