Avatarland to take over Rafiki's Planet Watch?

Alektronic

Well-Known Member
There's a major problem with this...what happens when the "transport" needs to go down for an extended rehab or it breaks down? Nobody gets into Avatarland?

While most people feel that there needs to be some sort of "shuttle" experience (even if it's just a motion-based simulator)...it's a nightmare. Imagine at rope-drop...all of these people running to this new "must-see" land...and then having to just cram and wait for this "transport".

Attractions can have "pre-shows" but entire lands can't...it just doesn't work. Look at the Jurassic Park section of IoA...there's no transport...you entire the giant gates....and you know you're in Jurassic Park.

Imagine if you needed to board a boat or a train to get to the Asia section. It would be a nightmare! People would just say, "I'm not going over there because you gotta wait for the boat...and then you have to wait in line..." It's two wait times.

The "transport" can not be an attraction...it needs to be something you just walk through. Maybe there's a lab on Earth that has opened a wormhole to Pandora...that you can just walk through.

That's why putting it in CMM makes more sense, the access is already there just cross over the bridge and you are in another world, it is a lot easier to isolate and control. CMM can be easily relocated also.
 

Rob562

Well-Known Member
The "transport" can not be an attraction...it needs to be something you just walk through. Maybe there's a lab on Earth that has opened a wormhole to Pandora...that you can just walk through.

How about some kind of building with moving walkways with special effects surrounding you? Perhaps a two-stage speedramp or airport-like moving sidewalk, with a bend in-between so you can't see straight from one end to the other.

-Rob
 

trr1

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There's a major problem with this...what happens when the "transport" needs to go down for an extended rehab or it breaks down? Nobody gets into Avatarland?

While most people feel that there needs to be some sort of "shuttle" experience (even if it's just a motion-based simulator)...it's a nightmare. Imagine at rope-drop...all of these people running to this new "must-see" land...and then having to just cram and wait for this "transport".

Attractions can have "pre-shows" but entire lands can't...it just doesn't work. Look at the Jurassic Park section of IoA...there's no transport...you entire the giant gates....and you know you're in Jurassic Park.

Imagine if you needed to board a boat or a train to get to the Asia section. It would be a nightmare! People would just say, "I'm not going over there because you gotta wait for the boat...and then you have to wait in line..." It's two wait times.

The "transport" can not be an attraction...it needs to be something you just walk through. Maybe there's a lab on Earth that has opened a wormhole to Pandora...that you can just walk through.

how about this so you have a mist/fog curtain to walk thru to get to Pandora
not ride to break down
stargate_universe_gate_room.jpg
 

Atomicmickey

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A moving walkway or something, through a mist or tunnel of sorts, could work. Somewhat like what you have in an airport. Some people could be on the walkway, others could walk. All you'll need to really do is go through some sort of misty "portal" or something.

I would think that would address the twin concerns of needing a major pathway with easy access, and some feeling of being transported as well. I agree it can't be just an attraction to get you in and out of the park.

That having been said, I can't really think of any other "land" in the world that you are made to feel as though you are travelling through space and time. Heck, even Main Street U.S.A. is just "there" after you emerge from the tunnel.

So a few effects and a little mist would go a long way, I think.
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
Well, I actually think I have figured it out.....

Everyone knows that WDW has a dome over its property to control the weather....well, they use that technology on a smaller scale to provide a "controlled" Pandoran atmosphere at DAK.

"Through the marvels of modern technology, we have been able to create the atmosphere of Pandora here in Central Florida. When you walk through this invisible gate, you will automatically be temporarily immunized to the hazardous and toxic atmosphere that waits inside, Walt Disney and James Cameron proudly presents The World of Pandora"
 

RSoxNo1

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There really hasn't been much discussion on the attraction possibilities here. I know the likeliest scenario would be some derivation of Soarin', but I'm hoping for another approach. I'd like to see Disney try a fully themed Multi-Dimensional Coaster/dark ride. A Multi-Dimensional Coaster by itself may be too intense for a Disney park, but if paced well with dark ride components mixed in with the thrills there could be quite a few possibilities.

Having said that, I would hope that at least one of the attractions would be a high capacity family D/E-Ticket. A multi-dimensional coaster would certainly not fit that category.
 

NoChesterHester

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There really hasn't been much discussion on the attraction possibilities here. I know the likeliest scenario would be some derivation of Soarin', but I'm hoping for another approach. I'd like to see Disney try a fully themed Multi-Dimensional Coaster/dark ride. A Multi-Dimensional Coaster by itself may be too intense for a Disney park, but if paced well with dark ride components mixed in with the thrills there could be quite a few possibilities.

Having said that, I would hope that at least one of the attractions would be a high capacity family D/E-Ticket. A multi-dimensional coaster would certainly not fit that category.

What ia a multi-dimensional coaster???
 

maxairmike

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What ia a multi-dimensional coaster???

The Arrow/S&S version would be X2 at Magic Mountain, or the one over in Japan. B&M is now making their own version. Basically, the seats are not over the track and can rotate 360* independently of the direction of motion. On the S&S/Arrow version, this is controlled by a secondary track and subset of wheels. I have not had a chance to examine the mechanics of the B&M version, though I don't believe it is radically different from the little bit I currently know.

EDIT: I see you're from Tennessee. Dollywood is getting a kind of prototype of the B&M version for next year. The first of this B&M type opened in Italy at Gardaland, and does not feature the rotating seats...yet. I am not sure if the Dollywood version will feature the rotating seats, either, though it should be a more advanced version. Gardaland's does not have a secondary rail system, so if they get the rotating seats as rumored, it will likely be controlled via an onboard computer.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
The Arrow/S&S version would be X2 at Magic Mountain, or the one over in Japan. B&M is now making their own version. Basically, the seats are not over the track and can rotate 360* independently of the direction of motion. On the S&S/Arrow version, this is controlled by a secondary track and subset of wheels. I have not had a chance to examine the mechanics of the B&M version, though I don't believe it is radically different from the little bit I currently know.

EDIT: I see you're from Tennessee. Dollywood is getting a kind of prototype of the B&M version for next year. The first of this B&M type opened in Italy at Gardaland, and does not feature the rotating seats...yet. I am not sure if the Dollywood version will feature the rotating seats, either, though it should be a more advanced version. Gardaland's does not have a secondary rail system, so if they get the rotating seats as rumored, it will likely be controlled via an onboard computer.

I went on X2 a few years ago - as much as I was annoyed by my day at Six Flags, it was far and away the craziest coaster I've ever been on. As was described above your ascend the lift hill seated on the side of the track so it has the effect of a floorless or even inverted coaster. Going down the first hill they also tilt you back so you're essentially heading to the ground head first lying on your back. It's a total loss of control and a really crazy feeling.

Even without full inversions, a multi-dimensional coaster would be the most thrilling coaster in Orlando.
 

Rob562

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I went on X2 a few years ago - as much as I was annoyed by my day at Six Flags, it was far and away the craziest coaster I've ever been on. As was described above your ascend the lift hill seated on the side of the track so it has the effect of a floorless or even inverted coaster. Going down the first hill they also tilt you back so you're essentially heading to the ground head first lying on your back. It's a total loss of control and a really crazy feeling.

Even without full inversions, a multi-dimensional coaster would be the most thrilling coaster in Orlando.

Best way to describe X2 or a 4D-coaster would be that it's a coaster meets an Omnimover, which is almost exactly how it was developed, since Arrow helped in the original creation of the Omnimover ride system.

Through a series of cams, gears and control rails on the track, the seats can be precisely rotated around an axis for any point in the track, just like an Omnimover's cars can be exactly rotated and pitched as it goes along the track.

The only real limitation is that however much it spins in one direction, at some point it has to spin in the other direction so that it returns to the station in its "neutral" position.

As has been said, even if the seats didn't invert in the somersaulting motion like they do on X2, it could still make for a thrilling attraction on the level of Tower of Terror. Say you're riding along a flat section, and suddenly you come across a beast or barrier directly in front of you, and the track dives straight down 50 feet before leveling off again, but the entire time your seat remains perfectly level. Or if track makes a U-turn at the bottom, heading back the way it came, all of a sudden you're traveling backwards. There are a TON of possibilities.

-Rob
 

Tip Top Club

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Dollywood's Coaster is NOT a 4-D and is not supposed to be a 4-D Just to clarify. Wild Eagle at Dollywood, X-Flight at Six Flags Great America, and Swarm at Thorpe Park will all be "Wing Riders" Which means the guests sit on either side of the track with feet dangling, this is designed to provide intense sweeping and flying motions.

I suppose a similar car, aesthetically would be found on a 4-D, but everything else would have to be completely different for the seats to rotate.
 

maxairmike

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Dollywood's Coaster is NOT a 4-D and is not supposed to be a 4-D Just to clarify. Wild Eagle at Dollywood, X-Flight at Six Flags Great America, and Swarm at Thorpe Park will all be "Wing Riders" Which means the guests sit on either side of the track with feet dangling, this is designed to provide intense sweeping and flying motions.

I suppose a similar car, aesthetically would be found on a 4-D, but everything else would have to be completely different for the seats to rotate.

Yes, which is why I added the part about them not having rotating seats...yet. Raptor at Gardaland is supposedly going to receive rotating seats via new trains at some point in the future. How true that rumor is, I do not know, but ever since word of the new ride type from B&M came out, it has been pegged as their future 4-D coaster answer. If that actually happens...we'll see, given B&M's conservativeness.
 

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