Atlantis... I found it!

[Voxel]

Just to keep this vaguely Disney-related, Disney has an animated movie called Atlantis, but this post has nothing to do with that. I found the lost continent, the associated islands, and the capital city - all just how Plato describes. Every detail in Plato's narrative is exactly what I found!

He says there was a big continent that the rising tides (probably from Global Warming) swallowed whole. He describes the continent as narrow, long, mountain ranges, a vast grassy low flatland valley in the center, with a bay in front. He describes the continent connecting smaller islands to the west reaching the "true continent". In the center of the bay to the east, he describes a smaller island. The Atlantean Empire had constructed an elaborate network of canals and bridges. The canals form a series if concentric circles and lines forming spikes, passing through the central hub, very much like the Magic Kingdom. In addition to the canals, there is an extensive road and bridge network, crossing the canals.

Plato said there were elephants there. I calculated, if elephants did exist at Atlantis, it would have to be close to Africa and there should be a natural land bridge for the elephants from a major older time period (when the sea level was yet lower than it was during the Atlantean Empire period) for elephants to walk across and populate the Atlantean islands.

Plato said that Atlantis existed some 13,000 years ago "beyond the Pillars of Hercules". That is what the Greeks called the Straights if Gibraltar. In other words, west of Gibraltar. I used Google Earth to see the sea floor levels, precisely where Plato said to look. It's actually there! The islands west of the Atlantis continent are the Caribbean islands. The "true continent" is the Americas.

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You can see the Atlantis continent on the picture above, west of Northern Africa, shaped like a crescent, exactly as Plato described, with the mountain ridges, flat valley, and large bay. In the bay, you can see the capital island/city. Zoom in to the capital island, the concentric circles are clearly visible, as are the spikes going through the center. The measurements of both the capital island and the continent are precisely what Plato says they should be!

Exact two fatal flaw in your argument. Elephants are found through out Asia and remains of Elephants can be found through out Europe. Including the little pigmy Elephants through out the Italian/Greek Islands. We also have to remember that Plato received is information from the Egyptian and the Egyptians were not great sea fairing people so the odds of their sea exploration continue anywhere near/past the straight of Gibraltar puts so issues in to the idea that they had knowledge of it.

Having read Plato's work in the original Greek I could give you more insight it the word history of some of the words. I would also like to point out that some Atlantis Theorist believed that they have discovered Atlantis is Spain because they have found Canal Bands in multiple circles around a central point which was just roughly outside the Straights of Gibraltar. The other idea being tossed around is that the Origin of Atlantis comes from the Tales about the Great Ethiopian kings that lead way to Egypt (which is what many classists are starting to look into) which then mixed with the tales from the sea fair cultures which they met.

I enjoy the topic of Atlantis as you can tell.

 

[PeterAlt]

Exact two fatal flaw in your argument. Elephants are found through out Asia and remains of Elephants can be found through out Europe. Including the little pigmy Elephants through out the Italian/Greek Islands. We also have to remember that Plato received is information from the Egyptian and the Egyptians were not great sea fairing people so the odds of their sea exploration continue anywhere near/past the straight of Gibraltar puts so issues in to the idea that they had knowledge of it.

Having read Plato's work in the original Greek I could give you more insight it the word history of some of the words. I would also like to point out that some Atlantis Theorist believed that they have discovered Atlantis is Spain because they have found Canal Bands in multiple circles around a central point which was just roughly outside the Straights of Gibraltar. The other idea being tossed around is that the Origin of Atlantis comes from the Tales about the Great Ethiopian kings that lead way to Egypt (which is what many classists are starting to look into) which then mixed with the tales from the sea fair cultures which they met.

I enjoy the topic of Atlantis as you can tell.

Yes, I am aware of the Spanish theory. There was a special on Nat Geo about it. It's interesting and intriguing but I don't buy it. It may have been a later Atlantis settlement.

The key is that Atlantis existed toward the end of the Ice Age, 13,000 ago. Therefore, it had to be at or near the equator. Also, there was a gravity anonomy in that area that shifted that could have caused earthquakes and tsunamis and shifted the water level there - also around that time.

I took better screenshots of the area that shows parallel structures and canals. I'll upload those later.

As for the Egyptians, they simply passed this knowledge from generation to generation until it got to Solon. Solon was an Egyptian priest. That being, this was sacred religious knowledge. As such, priests would be careful to make sure the knowledge is passed from generation to generation without a single word changed.

 

[PeterAlt]

Of all the mainstream theories, the only one that I buy is the Minoan theory. Now, I'm believing that the Minoans were a colony of Atlantis that just happen to have had similar bad luck. That would explain why the Minoans lost their will to survive as a people after the eruption of Thera. Plato did say that the Atlantis Empire established colonies in Europe.

 

[PeterAlt]

Okay, here's a very rough idea of what I'm talking about. I filled in where the sea levels for Africa and the Americas would have been. I outlined the Atlantis continent and the island capital. The network of canals included the Caribbean area. They ran a canal that is where Guatamela is today that cut through what is now the Caribbean.

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Rough outlined image:

 

[PeterAlt]

WRONG!!!!!!

It is Atlantis. Maybe you didn't read Professor Dr. Alt's hypothesis in the original post. But he has already done the hardcore surveying, then compared that to Plato's original works regarding the lost city. There can be no debate here.

Well, of course it's open to debate. Only after extensive debate can my theory gain any legitimacy. So.... The debate is ON!!!!

 

[PeterAlt]

Also, if you look at Guatemala, where I said Atlantis built their "Panama" canal, you will see that there remains surface marks today where the canal was. I'll try to get a screen shot of that now...

 

[PeterAlt]

You can see the surface markings of what was once the Guatemala canal built by the Atlantis Empire here, above the photo credits on the bottom. This lines up perfectly with the system that ran through what is now the Caribbean and the western canals of the continent and island.

 

[MOXOMUMD]

Jingle BAM!!!!

"The key is to really unclench and bring it all up from the south pole...Jingle Bam!"

 

[PeterAlt]

Exact two fatal flaw in your argument. Elephants are found through out Asia and remains of Elephants can be found through out Europe. Including the little pigmy Elephants through out the Italian/Greek Islands. We also have to remember that Plato received is information from the Egyptian and the Egyptians were not great sea fairing people so the odds of their sea exploration continue anywhere near/past the straight of Gibraltar puts so issues in to the idea that they had knowledge of it.

Having read Plato's work in the original Greek I could give you more insight it the word history of some of the words. I would also like to point out that some Atlantis Theorist believed that they have discovered Atlantis is Spain because they have found Canal Bands in multiple circles around a central point which was just roughly outside the Straights of Gibraltar. The other idea being tossed around is that the Origin of Atlantis comes from the Tales about the Great Ethiopian kings that lead way to Egypt (which is what many classists are starting to look into) which then mixed with the tales from the sea fair cultures which they met.

I enjoy the topic of Atlantis as you can tell.

I forgot to answer your point about elephants. The thing is, it would have to be land bridged at a point in its early history so that elephants can cross on to it. The location I found was clearly land bridged by a peninsula that extended west from Central Africa to the island where the Atlantis capital city was. I have no idea what that island looked like before the Atantians terraformed it.

 

[Voxel]

I like the information you have pulled together for this. You have a very strong case. I would agree with you that off all the theories the Minoans make the most sense Linear A and Linear B being unique writing. IF Atlantis was real I would argue that Minoans were a mix of the Atlantians and the Createns/Egyptians/Greeks that lived there. Linear A has a uniqueness that has made it impossible to translate and the fact that it can be found in Israel, Greece, and Thera. Interesting enough Thera, now know as Santorini(Which by the way if you get the chance to visit it is absolutely beautiful I got a chance to visit Thera and help dig),its the location where a Volcano took out half the island in 1600BC and the Minoan civilization we believe. The question did Linear A originate from Thera or Crete(Minoans). I wouldn't be surprised in recent years to see the theory change to believe that Linear A originate in Thera and the Minoans turned it into Linear B over time as they mingled with other Cultures.

I would not place Atlantis(if it existed I will explain why I don't believe that Atlantis existed) as a civilization in its prime in 12000 BCE based on current data and knowledge. 12000-13000BCE is where we are first starting to see traces of civilizations and housing being built, while it is possible for a civilizations to have built a town/city before then the odds of a civilizations being an empire before almost every civilizations is building housing doesn't seems possible to me.

As for the Egyptians, they simply passed this knowledge from generation to generation until it got to Solon. Solon was an Egyptian priest. That being, this was sacred religious knowledge. As such, priests would be careful to make sure the knowledge is passed from generation to generation without a single word changed.

This is not as true as Historians and Classicist would like to believe the Priest were very keen on changing the histories on the word of the Pharaohs who were the Gods. Pharaohs would changes and edit history as they would chose. In fact we are just now realizing how much of the Egyptian history was edited and changed over time.

Back to my final statement. I do not believe that Atlantis exists but instead I believe it is story that was turned into an Ideal of something greater to strive for. As for Atlantis I believe Plato or the Egyptians combined two stories from history into one. The first story would be the Ethiopian empires which we are just now learning how powerful they are (I think you gonna see the theory change from Egypt being the cultural powerhouse that inspired everyone to Ethiopia being the one who inspired Egypt, their is a very strong case in the works concerning it). These empires were said to have gold and power beyond measure. As for the second part of this story comes from the destruction of Thera, which is very identical to the destruction of Atlantis. Now the name Atlantis is an interesting. Land of Atlas is its direct translation from Greek and is an odd name, seeing that Atlas was the Titan who held up the world. Perhaps this was the Priest or Platos way of inspiring people to relieve that we are building on those before us who hold us up. I have a full 10 page paper on how this ideal to inspire comes from Platos text. I tried to condense it here.

Now I am gonna give you good news. I can tell you that I believe that much of beliefs on the Greeks/Egyptians/etc will change in the next few years. While I would love to believe in Atlantis, I don't believe it existed like Plato and other describe it. I do however believe that the Greeks or other civilizations in that region made it to Americans and possibly other areas just like how I do believe that the Mayans made it all the way to Georgia or further. Many theories and beliefs are being turned around. Who knows I will gladly eat my hat if Atlantis proves real.

 

[PeterAlt]

I like the information you have pulled together for this. You have a very strong case. I would agree with you that off all the theories the Minoans make the most sense Linear A and Linear B being unique writing. IF Atlantis was real I would argue that Minoans were a mix of the Atlantians and the Createns/Egyptians/Greeks that lived there. Linear A has a uniqueness that has made it impossible to translate and the fact that it can be found in Israel, Greece, and Thera. Interesting enough Thera, now know as Santorini(Which by the way if you get the chance to visit it is absolutely beautiful I got a chance to visit Thera and help dig),its the location where a Volcano took out half the island in 1600BC and the Minoan civilization we believe. The question did Linear A originate from Thera or Crete(Minoans). I wouldn't be surprised in recent years to see the theory change to believe that Linear A originate in Thera and the Minoans turned it into Linear B over time as they mingled with other Cultures.

I would not place Atlantis(if it existed I will explain why I don't believe that Atlantis existed) as a civilization in its prime in 12000 BCE based on current data and knowledge. 12000-13000BCE is where we are first starting to see traces of civilizations and housing being built, while it is possible for a civilizations to have built a town/city before then the odds of a civilizations being an empire before almost every civilizations is building housing doesn't seems possible to me.


This is not as true as Historians and Classicist would like to believe the Priest were very keen on changing the histories on the word of the Pharaohs who were the Gods. Pharaohs would changes and edit history as they would chose. In fact we are just now realizing how much of the Egyptian history was edited and changed over time.

Back to my final statement. I do not believe that Atlantis exists but instead I believe it is story that was turned into an Ideal of something greater to strive for. As for Atlantis I believe Plato or the Egyptians combined two stories from history into one. The first story would be the Ethiopian empires which we are just now learning how powerful they are (I think you gonna see the theory change from Egypt being the cultural powerhouse that inspired everyone to Ethiopia being the one who inspired Egypt, their is a very strong case in the works concerning it). These empires were said to have gold and power beyond measure. As for the second part of this story comes from the destruction of Thera, which is very identical to the destruction of Atlantis. Now the name Atlantis is an interesting. Land of Atlas is its direct translation from Greek and is an odd name, seeing that Atlas was the Titan who held up the world. Perhaps this was the Priest or Platos way of inspiring people to relieve that we are building on those before us who hold us up. I have a full 10 page paper on how this ideal to inspire comes from Platos text. I tried to condense it here.

Now I am gonna give you good news. I can tell you that I believe that much of beliefs on the Greeks/Egyptians/etc will change in the next few years. While I would love to believe in Atlantis, I don't believe it existed like Plato and other describe it. I do however believe that the Greeks or other civilizations in that region made it to Americans and possibly other areas just like how I do believe that the Mayans made it all the way to Georgia or further. Many theories and beliefs are being turned around. Who knows I will gladly eat my hat if Atlantis proves real.

I agree with you on the Minoans. A very interesting thing about the Minoans... Before we knew about them, civilizations that advanced that long ago were not supposed to exist. The more we learn about them, the more advanced we find out they were. Things were previously thought were invented by the ancient Romans or later, we keep finding the Minoans had. Advanced city planning with seven story buildings. Apartments with running HOT and COLD water. Bathrooms with toilets that flush. Advanced ventilation systems that controlled the flow of air, kind if like a modern AC system. Pressed letterheads that printed almost like a printing press. Copper "antennas" at their temples made to capture lightning bolts to uh and awe worshipped of the power of the gods. Like at their art. Their clothing looks very modern by today's standards! That's just the tip of the iceberg of what is possibly knowable about them. There will most likely be more discoveries that will have us scratching our heads saying "that doesn't belong there!"

A quick point about Egyptian priests and their regard to Egyptian history. What you said about the pharaohs wanting to change history is only true in cases where they are trying to promote a new religion (or changes to the existing one), or when it is a PR move in an effort to make the royal family look good, or make a previous ruler look bad. For matters of public relations, this applies, much like today's politics or the image today's companies want you to think of them as. When it comes to history, if history does not contradict the PR objectives of the ruling family (or if the best way to make the ruling family look good is to rewrite history), history is sacred. The ruling family should understand that the people's history is also their history. Everyone wants the history of their originals preserved in the best way possible. To deny the history of your origins is to deny your rightful existence.

You mentioned history of human beings back 13,000 years ago or so. That history is what we know. I have a feeling our human story (what we know of it) is incomplete. The bit of history we do know tells us that their are spikes in advancements and technologies. Then, something unexpected happens and we enter a dark age. People gather themselves back together and an age of Renaissance follows. With what we know now, there was at least another dark age before the Roman and Greek periods. The age of Hellenism was a renaissance period that followed. Going back thousands of years before the Minoans, I believe the greatest dark age in human history happened. Preceding that dark age was the greatest period if technological and cultural advancement on a scale comparable to the Renaissance Age up to the Industrial Age.

During the Roman and Greek eras, all who lived in the World outside were barbarians. The people you described during the time of Atlantis 13,000 were the barbarians of the time.

I'm going to close by talking about the future. 200... 300... 400... Or 500 years from now. Or sooner. Yellowstone erupts. The United States will be at the mercy of any surviving people of Earth. The country, as we knew it, will cease to exist. A dark age, similar to the one that followed the destruction of Atlantis will follow World-wide.

Let's hope we're prepared for whenever that happens - and it is over due. I don't know what happened to Atlantis, but their past could be our future. That time period - 13,000, besides the ice age beginning to end, saw the extinction of major species of mammals on Earth all of a sudden. Something catastrophic happened to the entire planet - not just Atlantis.

EDIT - Einstein once said he didn't know exactly how WWIII would be like, but he said he knew how WWIV would be like: They will be fighting with sticks and stones. That pretty much summarizes why 12,000 years ago, we see only primitive technologies. Go back further, and civilizations such as Atlantis would have advanced technology. However, it wasn't a world war that would bring civilization on its knees, but a natural disaster.