As magical express ends, can we expect cheaper rooms or are we just paying more and getting less?

JIMINYCR

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I know many families who have been skipping DME anyway and utilizing Uber for theconvenience of getting their trip underway faster. Sure, the baggage pick up was convenient but with more people finding Uber traveling fitting in well with their plans and easily accessible to them Mears was looking less of an option.
 

drizgirl

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I know many families who have been skipping DME anyway and utilizing Uber for theconvenience of getting their trip underway faster. Sure, the baggage pick up was convenient but with more people finding Uber traveling fitting in well with their plans and easily accessible to them Mears was looking less of an option.
Good luck with the price of Uber once every single person who previously took DME has to go looking for alternate transportation.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
That is the question. It's very sad Disney is ending the service, honestly added so much magic. I know Mears is offering it still, but all I can say is I hope rooms will at least be cheaper. Perhaps it's wishful thinking but to completely get rid of magic express and still charge the same is just wrong. With the train to Disney springs, I just hope they have a luggage solution.

 

JIMINYCR

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Good luck with the price of Uber once every single person who previously took DME has to go looking for alternate transportation.
Don’t you know that people flying into Orlando are using Uber and taxis now ? The service is being utilized by many who fly into the airports all over. Uber and taxi drivers are making a living like everyone else and will take advantage of getting the extra work. No difference than when we used to fly in and had to take a taxi to our resort. I don’t foresee huge price increases that will destroy their chances for fares.
 

drizgirl

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Don’t you know that people flying into Orlando are using Uber and taxis now ? The service is being utilized by many who fly into the airports all over. Uber and taxi drivers are making a living like everyone else and will take advantage of getting the extra work. No difference than when we used to fly in and had to take a taxi to our resort. I don’t foresee huge price increases that will destroy their chances for fares.
Sure I know some are now. But a lot aren't. And will flood the alternate means of getting to Disney once the change takes place.

We used Uber to get somewhere very close for $10 on our last trip. When we tried to go back it was $30. It's supply and demand.
 
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WHAT WOULD WALT DO? I think that spoiling the "magic" is the biggest sin. We have continued to pay more for WDW hotels and park tickets but were willing to do so because of the "escape from reality". Now the management is misreading this. They appear to think that abusing their loyal repeat guests has no consequence. Just because raising prices seemed to have no effect (WDW kept setting new attendance records) they think that also cutting services/amenities will have no effect - Wrong! They will surely see surges in visitors over the next year or more but only because of the pent up demand. Many loyal guests such as my family (I've been going to WDW since 1973 and have been an Annual Pass holder) are already discussing alternatives. Once they ruin the "magic" Disney will feel no different than other theme parks. My family is planning to travel to Europe next year vs the regular WDW visits. All of the new changes (decreasing of amenities) feels like the short term corporate culture that is destroying other industries. Once Disney starts shaking down its guests, the magic is gone and you cannot get it back. It's time to start asking "WHAT WOULD WALT DO?".
 
Sure I know some are now. But a lot aren't. And will flood the alternate means of getting to the airport once the change takes place.

We used Uber to get somewhere very close for $10 on our last trip. When we tried to go back it was $30. It's supply and demand.
Sure I know some are now. But a lot aren't. And will flood the alternate means of getting to the airport once the change takes place.

We used Uber to get somewhere very close for $10 on our last trip. When we tried to go back it was $30. It's supply and demand.
Also if you have a large family with luggage getting off of a plane with 150 other WDW guests, good luck getting to WDW in a reasonable amount of time.
 

DisneyMusician2

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Good luck with the price of Uber once every single person who previously took DME has to go looking for alternate transportation.
Mears ran the shuttle service for years, they run MDE, and they’ll run the shuttle again. I’m waiting to hear what they wanted from Disney to continue the contract that made it unprofitable. There is always a percentage of people who would prefer a shuttle to an Uber, Universals shuttles are still heavily used even though it’s a round trip charge.
 

DisneyMusician2

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He wouldn't be happy and probably would say "this isn't my company...."
Walt made plenty of decisions based solely on profit when he opened Disneyland, he’d continue to do the same today. Now he often has a plan to fix those things when he had more money, so there’s a difference there, but the idea he made every decision that every fervent Disney fan would love is off base. And Walt almost ran the company into the ground on several occasions and had a waning love for the theme park business near the end. His biggest gripe with today’s company would probably be ‘Where are my ski resorts and urban development projects and why are these rides from 1950 still open?’
 
Walt made plenty of decisions based solely on profit when he opened Disneyland, he’d continue to do the same today. Now he often has a plan to fix those things when he had more money, so there’s a difference there, but the idea he made every decision that every fervent Disney fan would love is off base. And Walt almost ran the company into the ground on several occasions and had a waning love for the theme park business near the end. His biggest gripe with today’s company would probably be ‘Where are my ski resorts and urban development projects and why are these rides from 1950 still open?’
I think you're missing the point. Scraping every dime from customers just to increase profits can result in diminishing returns. Walt created the concept of a magical place where the outside world did not infringe on the park experience. Visitors were "guests" and employees were "cast members". This was and still is a formula for a very successful business. This is where the company has taken a bad turn. While Walt apparently had his negative side, his final years were all about the Florida parks and perfecting what he had accomplished in Anaheim. We are seeing a management team that is turning loyal followers against the brand.
 

DisneyMusician2

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I think you're missing the point. Scraping every dime from customers just to increase profits can result in diminishing returns. Walt created the concept of a magical place where the outside world did not infringe on the park experience. Visitors were "guests" and employees were "cast members". This was and still is a formula for a very successful business. This is where the company has taken a bad turn. While Walt apparently had his negative side, his final years were all about the Florida parks and perfecting what he had accomplished in Anaheim. We are seeing a management team that is turning loyal followers against the brand.
I agree but I’d argue he knew when to let outside companies in, when to monetize, when not to…he even charged separate admission once for an attraction he personally bankrolled past the standard price and was the king of IP being added to his parks as an extension of his studio. He was ahead of a curve and in many ways the current management fell behind the rest of the industry in the economics of profitable resort areas. For all we know Walt would look at all the crazy things WDW has done and said ‘Damn I would never have wanted to be in the hotel business at all and why in gods name are we wasting money on movies’. Again I’m not personally loving the fees but I also don’t like the argument it’s not what Walt would have done. Walt also opened parks with giant dirt mounds and whole lands unfinished and sold bras on Main Street. I’m not knocking it but I’m just pointing out times are different and I’m one to think Walt would have understood and changed with them.
 

DisneyMusician2

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And hopefully some one would have reminded him if he wanted it to be his company maybe launching an IPO is a bad idea, unfortunately profit is now the biggest concern
This is true. Public companies exist to please stockholders period. They are the true owners of the company. But even Walt understood control and profit, even to the point that he cut Roy’s family out of WED Enterprises when he founded it and moved top talent from the studio into it. Disney had to buy the company back eventually to make it a part of the overall company again. Just interesting tidbits.
 

Father-of-four

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I think the key word that seems to be missing at Disney is "balance." And from the books I've read, on average, Roy was Walt's "balance." Walt was the creative one and Roy was the fiscally conservative one. Walt always wanted the next technology, and the next new "thing," which is why the company was almost bankrupt several times. But Roy, by himself, would have been a failure. But as a team, they were awesome.

Today, there doesn't seem to be a perceived balance in the Disney corporation.

I own Disney stock, so I can appreciate the fiscal side. But when, for the last several years, all I see are service reductions, I see a long term impact. When I hear Disney indirectly say, we are going to be one of the most "woke" corporations, again, I see a long term impact. And when Disney continues to increase prices much faster than inflation, I see a long term impact. And lastly, when I see Disney treating it's most faithful annual passholders poorly, the same. I'm sure it's only a few percentage points for each of the above items, but together they add up.

The last time I was at Disney, and looked at souvenirs, was probably 5 or 6 years ago. And the quality vs. the price was horrendous. High prices and really low quality. This is not the Disney that I knew from 25 years ago when I had annual passes. So the last time I was there, I didn't even go into the shops to look around.

Will I go back to Disney, sure. But will I go as often as in the past? That's the question.
 

NickMaio

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That is the question. It's very sad Disney is ending the service, honestly added so much magic. I know Mears is offering it still, but all I can say is I hope rooms will at least be cheaper. Perhaps it's wishful thinking but to completely get rid of magic express and still charge the same is just wrong. With the train to Disney springs, I just hope they have a luggage solution.
Pay more and get less is the WDW motto lately.
I completely agree.......every year WDW cuts things that give you the special vacation feeling.

It's very interesting.

The Magic Express was oat of that, not super efficient but definitely made the trip feel very different and special.
 

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