Article: How The Mouse Stumbled........

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I mean I did bring receipts *cough cough*, got milk?

Yeah…point by point. These are interesting discussions (legitamtely)

Just leaving it to parks (ignoring the entertainment business)…what are they doing that’s working?

 

[Jrb1979]

I mean I did bring receipts *cough cough*, got milk?

You mean all the new attractions that are replacing old attractions. No net new capacity. Gotcha.

I get the excitement of Monsters, Cars and the AK additions but at the end of the day they are just replacing old attractions. Yes it will be more used capacity than what was there, it doesn't fix the lack of capacity the parks have. The parks need less E-tickets and more Dumbo level attractions

 

[JD80]

You mean all the new attractions that are replacing old attractions. No net new capacity. Gotcha.

I get the excitement of Monsters, Cars and the AK additions but at the end of the day they are just replacing old attractions. Yes it will be more used capacity than what was there, it doesn't fix the lack of capacity the parks have. The parks need less E-tickets and more Dumbo level attractions

This whole capacity complaint is pointless. Yes all the parks need more attractions, it's been an issue for over a decade. Not questioning that at all.

Most of the parks need 5+ attractions and they won't be announcing them all at once. Some have to come before others. Assuming the new CEO whenever he or she is in, doesn't alter the plans significantly you'll probably see a second round of attractions announce in 1 or 2 D23's from now.

All these new attractions will be net gains in real and used capacity. The parks will be better with them.

 

[bmr1591]

You mean all the new attractions that are replacing old attractions. No net new capacity. Gotcha.

I get the excitement of Monsters, Cars and the AK additions but at the end of the day they are just replacing old attractions. Yes it will be more used capacity than what was there, it doesn't fix the lack of capacity the parks have. The parks need less E-tickets and more Dumbo level attractions

100 people visit a ride in an hour. That ride is replaced by a new ride that has 1500 people visit it an hour. While space has increased in the park, capacity certainly has. Unused capacity being fixed is what it seems they're going for. Dinoland and Rivers of America aren't pulling the numbers to help fill out their parks and give people more to do. It may not be the whole solution to the capacity issue, but it does help with the capacity issues.

And I disagree on the 'less e-ticket' idea. While I get the sentiment, e-tickets sell tickets. Dumbo isn't selling a ticket. WDW cares about selling tickets. Now, I agree that you have to have both, but look at the response Journey of Water received. Those type of responses certainly aren't helping the argument.

That said, I don't think we need less Dumbo-level rides. We need more, you're correct. But not at the expense of more e-tickets, but in conjunction with them. They cannot move numbers on their own (see JoW), but when combined with other e-tickets, they create atmosphere and don't have to pull weight on their own.

 

[PREMiERdrum]

We haven't heard from our friend @PREMiERdrum in quite some time and he seemed to have his thumb on the pulse of some of these issues. I hope he's still around on the boards as I enjoyed his information.

I'm alive! It's been an... interesting... couple of months for me.

 

[jpeden]

I'm alive! It's been an... interesting... couple of months for me.

Glad to hear from you! Hope things are well and if not at the moment I’m sure we are all glad to at least know you’re still around.

 

[Bocabear]

100 people visit a ride in an hour. That ride is replaced by a new ride that has 1500 people visit it an hour. While space has increased in the park, capacity certainly has. Unused capacity being fixed is what it seems they're going for. Dinoland and Rivers of America aren't pulling the numbers to help fill out their parks and give people more to do. It may not be the whole solution to the capacity issue, but it does help with the capacity issues.

And I disagree on the 'less e-ticket' idea. While I get the sentiment, e-tickets sell tickets. Dumbo isn't selling a ticket. WDW cares about selling tickets. Now, I agree that you have to have both, but look at the response Journey of Water received. Those type of responses certainly aren't helping the argument.

That said, I don't think we need less Dumbo-level rides. We need more, you're correct. But not at the expense of more e-tickets, but in conjunction with them. They cannot move numbers on their own (see JoW), but when combined with other e-tickets, they create atmosphere and don't have to pull weight on their own.

Would that mean that any sort of park area or waterway are fair game to be ripped out for any opportunity to monetize the property? There are things that are placemaking and more than the sum of their parts.... The point of buying up all of this property in Florida was not to be hemmed in for expansions.... So why are they not truly expanding without being at the expense of the fabric of the park? There is room....And if you say more D tickets are needed, why then tear them out with the excuse they are not pulling in the numbers? Could some additions and upgrades make Tom Sawyer's Island more heavily visited? Could some newer and more interesting settings make the riverboat more popular? Of course... Could they expand without removing a whole quadrant of the park? I would think there is a way...They have certainly managed to do that in Disneyland....Where they truly are hemmed in...and still manage to have way more attractions than our Magic Kingdom...