Are We Giving Disney Too Much Credit For The Avengers?

[Bob Saget]

I know it's been awhile since we've had an Avengers thread, but something is puzzling to me.

Not so much here, but on another Disney fan site whose name shall not be mentioned (you're welcome). There was a topic on The Avengers opening weekend numbers, which then turned into theme park-related discussion, etc. One woman made a comment which has stuck in my brain ever since:
"I really did not care that much about Marvel characters until Disney bought them." (Same stories, same characters, but now you like them just because the Disney name/logo is slapped on them?)

Um...okay then? :shrug: Then I started going back to some of the threads boasting about how Avengers is doing so well, etc. Remembering years ago when films like X-Men, Spider-Man, Hulk, were released, the Disney fan clan really seemed ho-hum about them, and films such as those were considered "the evil outsiders".

But now that the Disney name is on top of all things Marvel (outside of Orlando theme parks, that is), it seems like all these "evil outsider" films to the Disney fan clan are now God's gift to the cinematic world. Which is fine, because afterall, Disney does own Marvel, so Marvel should be discussed here rightfully so.

It seems to me there are many who are giving the Mouse waaaay too much credit for The Avenger's theatrical success. Then you have those who sternly believe Disney will pop up some sort of Marvel 5th Gate or E-ticket attraction in Central Fla....despite what contracts and legality has to say about the matter. So basically what I'm asking is...does being a Disney fan sometimes overshadow reason? I often wonder how many of the Mouse clan actually believe Disney deserves full credit for creating The Avengers movie. If stubborness over the Fla Marvel contract with Universal has blinded so many into believing Disney can somehow rise above the law...who knows what else they'll believe?

 

[Hakunamatata]

You may have a valid thought on that subject, but just to remind that there have been a number of movies that have had Disney's name on them that were, well, horrid. John Carter of Mars, being the most recent. I don't recall throngs of Disney Zombies bloating about how good that movie was.

I personally think that the pre and post disney Marvel releases are somewhat different in quality. I may have my time lines messed up, but the original hulk movie, bad. The original Spiderman series, ok, but nothing on the level of Iron Man, Cap A, Thor or The Avengers.

Disney has put out some stinkers and I don't think any but those that are trolling for trouble would disagree.

 

[cheezbat]

Honestly Disney hardly has anything to do with the Avengers. That was Paramounts baby until Disney bought out the rights. Heck, Paramount was still the movie company shown in the opening! I don't believe the success of ANY of the Marvel movies is due to Disney.

 

[captainkidd]

Honestly Disney hardly has anything to do with the Avengers. That was Paramounts baby until Disney bought out the rights. Heck, Paramount was still the movie company shown in the opening! I don't believe the success of ANY of the Marvel movies is due to Disney.

Yup.

I can't understand why there are so many threads on this movie on a Disney board. It'd be like having countless threads praising Disney for ABC's coverage of the NBA playoffs.

 

[I_heart_Tigger]

I have enjoyed all of the recent Avengers related movies - possible exception being Captain America but that is even better than some of the alternative "hero" flicks out there.
I don't care what movie studio is behind the films, who owns the merchandising rights, who distributes them...I either like the movies or I don't.

I never have and still do not consider these to be "Disney Movies". I don't relate Disney to them at all. As far as I'm concerned Disney bought Marvel and then there was an Iron Man shirt for sale on their website...that's about all the connection that I ever expect to make between Disney and Marvel.

I would have to say that I wasn't that impressed (not angry, just kind of :shrug when I found out Disney bought Marvel. It almost seemed like a nose thumbing to Universal Studios to me...just like those people that hover around expiring website doman names at midnight so they can buy them up. Just made me think of some evil hand-wringing, moustache-twisting corporate suit laughing and saying, "How is your Marvel Super Hero Island now!!!???" :fork:

I bought my two Marvel t-shirts at Universal Studios because that's where the association lies for me. I wanted my Spiderman shirt to be a reminder of the Spiderman attraction that I love - not as a reminder of Spaceship Earth.

 

[G00fyDad]

Coming to a theme park near you?

 

[Bob Saget]

Just made me think of some evil hand-wringing, moustache-twisting corporate suit laughing and saying, "How is your Marvel Super Hero Island now!!!???" :fork:

If I were Universal, I'd answer: "Doing mighty fine, and your films & Monorail decor help promote it very nicely."

Very good points though. I too found it quite shady when Disney purchased Marvel. Definitely not as livid & extreme as the angry Marvel boards were when they found out their characters were bought by the Mouse...but still kinda shocked nonetheless.

 

[DisneyWall-E]

Yes. I think some people are.

 

[draybook]

Am I the only one that doesn't give a crap who released the movie? It was awesome, plain and simple.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I too find the "I like Marvel now" attitude to be a little weird, especially since I have heard it essentially self admitted. This is exactly what WDW1974 talks about when he speaks of people who are devoted not to substance, but the brand. Marvel was of no concern until it was owned by Disney, then it was something to care about and love.

I personally think that the pre and post disney Marvel releases are somewhat different in quality. I may have my time lines messed up, but the original hulk movie, bad. The original Spiderman series, ok, but nothing on the level of Iron Man, Cap A, Thor or The Avengers.

You are confusing Disney's purchase of Marvel with the earlier establishment of Marvel Studios. Originally Marvel was licensing characters to different studios (X-Men to Fox, Spider-Man to Sony, etc.) but when some films were of lesser quality Marvel decided to take over production themselves. The Marvel Cinematic Universe (Iron Man, Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America: The First Avenger and The Avengers) is all Marvel Studios. Disney has had no involvement except for marketing and distributing The Avengers. All that Disney deserves credit for is not botching the marketing of The Avengers and booking it in theaters.

Will people praise Disney for The Amazing Spider-Man if that is good, even though Disney is only involved in the merchandizing?

 

[I_heart_Tigger]

Am I the only one that doesn't give a crap who released the movie? It was awesome, plain and simple.

Nope you're not the only one...like I said, I either like a movie or I don't. Anyone who like a movie MORE because a certain company owns the rights to the characters is plainly an idiot.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Nope you're not the only one...like I said, I either like a movie or I don't. Anyone who like a movie MORE because a certain company owns the rights to the characters is plainly an idiot.

And there are many idiots LOL...

I'm with you and Dray... I don't give two rats' backsides about who released a movie... if the movie is good, I give it props... That is all I care about.. Being entertained...

 

[Polydweller]

Am I the only one that doesn't give a crap who released the movie? It was awesome, plain and simple.

Nope, I'm with you. A good movie is a good movie.

 

[Rage1]

Its like 2 rival sport teams. You hate everyhting about that other team from there star players, coaches, owner but let the star player or coach come to you team and that all goes out the window.

 

[Hakunamatata]

You are confusing Disney's purchase of Marvel with the earlier establishment of Marvel Studios. Originally Marvel was licensing characters to different studios (X-Men to Fox, Spider-Man to Sony, etc.) but when some films were of lesser quality Marvel decided to take over production themselves. The Marvel Cinematic Universe (Iron Man, Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America: The First Avenger and The Avengers) is all Marvel Studios. Disney has had no involvement except for marketing and distributing The Avengers. All that Disney deserves credit for is not botching the marketing of The Avengers and booking it in theaters.

Will people praise Disney for The Amazing Spider-Man if that is good, even though Disney is only involved in the merchandizing?

Makes sense.

 

[danlb_2000]

I look at this from a more practicle business perspective. We are all fans in some way of the Disney company. You can argue as much as you want about who should get credit for the Avengers, but at the end of the day it's success reflects very positivley on the Disney company, it's success is putting cash in Disney's pockets and this makes the shareholders happy. As much as we may not like, in today's business world, these things are important.

 

[captainkidd]

I look at this from a more practicle business perspective. We are all fans in some way of the Disney company. You can argue as much as you want about who should get credit for the Avengers, but at the end of the day it's success reflects very positivley on the Disney company, it's success is putting cash in Disney's pockets and this makes the shareholders happy. As much as we may not like, in today's business world, these things are important.

I agree that it's putting money into Disney, but disagree that it looks positive for Disney. Few people outside of these message boards knows that Disney has anything to do with Marvel.

 

[Bob Saget]

Its like 2 rival sport teams. You hate everyhting about that other team from there star players, coaches, owner but let the star player or coach come to you team and that all goes out the window.

That's probably one of the best metaphors for our Disney-craze. It's a sickness, I guess. But makes it interesting.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I look at this from a more practicle business perspective. We are all fans in some way of the Disney company. You can argue as much as you want about who should get credit for the Avengers, but at the end of the day it's success reflects very positivley on the Disney company, it's success is putting cash in Disney's pockets and this makes the shareholders happy. As much as we may not like, in today's business world, these things are important.

Apparently Disney somewhat disagrees. Rich Ross was allegedly pushed out when he was so that he could not try to claim credit for the success that we are seeing. Disney also paid a good bit of money to Paramount to acquire the marketing and distribution rights.

 

[StageFrenzy]

Apparently Disney somewhat disagrees. Rich Ross was allegedly pushed out when he was so that he could not try to claim credit for the success that we are seeing. Disney also paid a good bit of money to Paramount to acquire the marketing and distribution rights.

Well that and the failures before the avengers, if it didn't have Pixar on the poster the movie flopped.