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Anybody else feel like there's a lot of griping going on lately?

jw24

Well-Known Member
I'm not gonna lie. I've felt extremely uncomfortable posting anywhere on these forums except for Chit Chat and Games forums and it's been that way for quite some time because of the aforementioned reasons previously stated. I won't name names or throw users under the bus of who is responsible for the discourse of the same old topics over and over again. But I will say this. I, too, love Disney World as a whole but there are certain aspects I don't like. I will admit I am not as vocal compared to others because for me, it's not a feeling of hate which is what some people are coming across as. For me, it's a feeling of, "You can do better. I know you can. I know the willpower to succeed is in there but you need to dig deep, find it and then follow through. But you have to want it first and that is the first step" Though I think some feel Disney doesn't have the want or motivation to improve their parks and that some of their decision making were panic movies like the Frozen-Maelstrom conversion to counter Diagon Alley, New Fantasyland to one up Wizarding World to name a few.

But anyway, I think the main reasons for the griping comes from two basic factors: High expectations cemented from past results and negative comparing to others of its current state.

Has Disney World become a victim of its own success? Possibly because they've done a lot in the theme parks in the past and they've set the bar for theme parks extremely high that it is becoming difficult to replicate that in this day. For many people, a lot of them grew up in the 70s, 80s and 90s where Disney World was in its heyday with state of the art attractions. I think because of that, that is why so many hold Disney World to extremely high expectations and standards over other parks. So they feel "entitled" in a way to have a great vacation experience every time because of the Disney name and brand. When they don't have a great experience, they go through the five stages of grief with some reaching acceptance of the reality more quickly than others. Can an argument be made Disney right now is not even making an attempt to replicate its past success? Well, that's debatable but it does seem to appear that Disney is settling on complacency and not challenging themselves to improve their parks. For some undisclosed reason, they are not investing in their parks and that is one part of the griping, I feel. Settling for complacency can come across as accepting mediocrity or worse, settling for nothing.

The other is what I call negative comparing. I think for Disney fans, it is frustrating that other theme parks are playing hardball with their parks. Not just Universal and Harry Potter but Six Flags and Cedar Fair are always building tall, giant roller coasters almost every year to gain more attendance and they're building them less than a fraction of the time Disney takes to build one new park area. Remember when you were a kid and every time, you came up short in some way or form, your parents always asked you in a negative sense, "Why couldn't you be more like your brother, sister, friend, etc..?" That is what Disney fans are saying. Because other theme parks are building critically acclaimed rides and areas and Disney isn't, they are asking, "Why can't Disney be like Universal right now?" or "Why can't Disney build a tall attraction attention coaster like Six Flags or Cedar Fair?" It is jealousy at its finest. It's human nature to always want what we don't have.

I know this subject has been brought up to an extent time and time again and I'm pretty a lot of users are tired of arguing their points over and over again. But I searched through the posts are found this one very resonating.

We are all critical of Disney in a coulda, woulda, shoulda way. All of us can easily pick the aspects we love about the parks and resort that we can experience today. We just know that there are things that can be improved. Some of those things are things that are long gone for one reason or another, and others were just poor decisions or planning in the first place. In any case, in the age of the internet where everyone has a voice to speak their mind, this has just become a medium for expressing our content or our issues with the parks and resorts. If we had this sort of freedom and ability and there wasn't anything to mention, either we'd be ignorant or kidding ourselves. The company, whether they truly pay attention to all or any of these boards or not, would not make any progress without discontent or someone to speak up.

The issue you have these days is that these message boards and others like it feature a high concentration of a specific type of guest: a type of guest that shouldn't go unnoticed, but in the grand scheme of things is only a small fraction. Sadly, the overwhelming majority of guests won't notice the same issues and if they do may even shrug them off. While the complaining might get old to us, but it's a voice that shouldn't be snuffed out. If the issues truly are something that is leading toward a bigger problem, the majority should be made of aware of it to help usher in change or at least awareness. If I had to say there was one issue is that we are sometimes overly critical. I may hate another dance party, but there are quite a few guests to eat that up and enjoy the "party atmosphere" is seems to give allowing them to let loose, dance, and have fun with their family. There may be a lightbulb that hasn't been changed in months on Sunset Blvd at Disney's Hollywood Studios, but if you were to ask every guest that visited that park yesterday what they thought of it, they would shrug it off even if you told them it hasn't been replaced for months.

We know what we like and we know what you don't like. It's not like we miss the grand scheme of things, the magic, the wonder, the beauty. We just get too overcritical at times.
 

copcarguyp71

Well-Known Member
People LOVE to complain, but still hand over all their vacation $$ every year :facepalm:. IDK makes no sense to me, but I'm just a silly girl:p

While I get what you are saying our vacation dollar has in fact gone elsewhere even in light of the fact that I could actually be in WDW right now for a convention that is happening and write the whole trip off as a business expense (minus park tickets of course) but as a matter of principal I spent my money elsewhere. I complain and put my money where my mouth is, maybe others should follow suit instead of being armchair quarterbacks while continuing to buy season tickets!
 
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erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Has Disney World become a victim of its own success? Possibly because they've done a lot in the theme parks in the past and they've set the bar for theme parks extremely high that it is becoming difficult to replicate that in this day. For many people, a lot of them grew up in the 70s, 80s and 90s where Disney World was in its heyday with state of the art attractions. I think because of that, that is why so many hold Disney World to extremely high expectations and standards over other parks. So they feel "entitled" in a way to have a great vacation experience every time because of the Disney name and brand.
I think that is correct, Disney did set the bar as high as it is but I don't agree with the "difficult to replicate in this day" Why not? They have the money, they have the talent, they have the resources... So why are they not able hit the bar they set themselves? Simple, they don't want to because they don't have to. So yea, I do feel I should be entitled to the same quality experience I was getting before. Even more so now that I am paying a lot more for it.
 

Goofnut1980

Well-Known Member
I am sitting at my desk laughing so hard at these comments.. Practically peed my pants! People around me think I have lost it! (good, means they wont bother me, I hate it when people bother me)
 

SagamoreBeach

Well-Known Member
Griping is a funny side effect of discontent. Some is just background noise and some is founded. It is up to the individual reader to determine which is which...
But the key is to narrow down the complaints. When they receive a letter that starts with complaints on DAY 1 and continues on with a side bar of how it shoould have been handled or the correct response or better yet...how Disney has fallen....I guarantee you they send out a form letter and the complaint gets trashed with no further consideration. Narrow it down to the MOST signigicant complaint(s). Be conscise. Let the person reading the letter decide where they missed a customer service recovery opportunuty. If you try to call the shots, they will ignore you.
 

Victor Kelly

Well-Known Member
It's like an anonymous suggestion box. Place one in the area and anyone can feel free to write anything they want without repurcussions. Open up a controversial topic, sit back and watch the fire youve started take hold and blaze away.

"Some men just want to watch the world burn"

You are one of those aren't you?:cautious::D
 

copcarguyp71

Well-Known Member
But the key is to narrow down the complaints. When they receive a letter that starts with complaints on DAY 1 and continues on with a side bar of how it shoould have been handled or the correct response or better yet...how Disney has fallen....I guarantee you they send out a form letter and the complaint gets trashed with no further consideration. Narrow it down to the MOST signigicant complaint(s). Be conscise. Let the person reading the letter decide where they missed a customer service recovery opportunuty. If you try to call the shots, they will ignore you.

I thought this discussion was regarding griping on this site and not letters to Disney. That is what the entire discussion is about thus far and discussions regarding letters to disney are in other topics. My specific reply was regarding this particular ongoing discussion of griping on this forum.
 

SagamoreBeach

Well-Known Member
I thought this discussion was regarding griping on this site and not letters to Disney. That is what the entire discussion is about thus far and discussions regarding letters to disney are in other topics. My specific reply was regarding this particular ongoing discussion of griping on this forum.
So?
 

copcarguyp71

Well-Known Member

So....you are talking about complaints to Disney which this topic has nothing to do with. That is SO. If you would like to comment on making complaints to Disney corporate then there are plenty of threads to that effect but taking my comment totally out of context just seems like it is inflammatory. The entire three pages of posts have very little to do with comments or letters directed to Disney. It relates to people griping here in the forums so your comment on my post seems rather off topic from the nexus of the thread.

That is "so"
 

SagamoreBeach

Well-Known Member
copcarguyp71 said:
So....you are talking about complaints to Disney which this topic has nothing to do with. That is SO. If you would like to comment on making complaints to Disney corporate then there are plenty of threads to that effect but taking my comment totally out of context just seems like it is inflammatory. The entire three pages of posts have very little to do with comments or letters directed to Disney. It relates to people griping here in the forums so your comment on my post seems rather off topic from the nexus of the thread.

That is "so"
May God grant you no greater sorrow than having to read a misplaced post.
 

tsaintc

Well-Known Member
I am all for constructive criticism which I do see in these forums from time to time. And, I am firm believer that the fan base has an obligation to voice concerns.

However, in my opinion, there are now number of individuals who frequent this site to only cause discourse or to 'troll' in general.

Now, when I am reading a post that is negative or 'over the top', I can almost guess who has 'liked' it or who has responded. It almost seems like they are playing a game to see which posts/users will 'like' and get 'liked' the most for being negative.

Once you learn to sort through this specific type of trash, you will still find significant value in this community if you are a true Disney fan at heart.
 

Konor

Active Member
From people constantly complaining about how poor the WDW website is, to MM+ complaints, to complaints about other posters making mistakes about discount dates, what the heck is going on here!? I understand that this is the internet and people like to vent, but I always loved this site because people were excited about Disney and shared their excitement with like minded people. Now it seems like there are cliques on here. The folks who think they could design Disney's webpages better and post daily saying how they could do so, those who hate Magic Bands, those who see nothing but the decline of Disney parks, hotels, food, etc. Is Disney perfect? No, far from it but it's still my go-to destination for my family and me and it's still a great place to vacation, I just wish there was a sub forum called Complaints where everyone could talk about how bad it is and do their Monday morning quarterbacking there.


Realizing that some have nothing better to do than gripe about EVERYTHING?

You're new here eh?
 

Victor Kelly

Well-Known Member
I will give examples:

"An attraction is closed during my vacation" . Boohoo. It has happened on every single trip I have been on. Number 41 is coming, and I bet some will be closed again.

Yeti not working.....legit
Studios, half of the attractions shuttered......legit
MK, HUB in disarray......legit, but they are improving the area despite many people not liking it.
EPCOT CENTER, no longer around.........depends on who you are

Terrible maintenance........legit
Rude CM's...........legit
High prices.........legit-ish

The parks are boring (by AP holders).......stop going so much.
 

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