Any other place for armchair Imagineering?

spacemt354

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It's hard to do something when someone criticizes your idea, especially if that someone is the only one responding to your posts.



But a simple idea doesn't get very far without some details and that's where MEW and others really shine. Like I said, I'm not the most creative person in the world.

What's more, you told me to keep my ideas to myself if I didn't want to give up control of the idea. Am I not technically still in control regardless? Isn't the idea still mine? Or does it belong to someone else now? Also, where else would I be able to put my idea without posting it on a thread if I didn't want to "give up" control of something? As I said, it sounds weird as it's not like I'm not like I'm selling away the rights to my idea.
Yes, when you ask someone else for help on a project, you are voluntarily giving up some creative control to allow the person you asked for help space to create. Because otherwise, if you had all the answers, you wouldn't need to ask for the creative help in the first place.

You just received the praise you are looking for yet you ignore it and continue this drivel, I will not be continuing this any further as I've said all I have to say on the matter.
 

mharrington

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Yes, when you ask someone else for help on a project, you are voluntarily giving up some creative control to allow the person you asked for help space to create. Because otherwise, if you had all the answers, you wouldn't need to ask for the creative help in the first place.

You just received the praise you are looking for yet you ignore it and continue this drivel, I will not be continuing this any further as I've said all I have to say on the matter.

I appreciate the praise, I'm just trying to make sense here. It's confusing and kind of inconsistent when person A (i.e., you and @SplashZander) like something of mine while person B (like @MickeyMouse10) does not like something.

Yeah I haven't been able to find anything either.

A few years ago r/Disneyland (I think) did an Imagineering contest, which I think was pretty popular. There's also r/Imagineering, which is pretty dead. I set up r/ArmchairImagineering, and I think advertised it here, but nothing became of it. I still have it, if anyone ever wants to post there lol.

Is it this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArmchairImagineering/? I just posted in there and I have a feeling no one's going to see it.
 
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JokersWild

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I appreciate the praise, I'm just trying to make sense here. It's confusing and kind of inconsistent when person A (i.e., you and @SplashZander) like something of mine while person B (like @MickeyMouse10) does not like something.



Is it this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArmchairImagineering/? I just posted in there and I have a feeling no one's going to see it.
Firstly, different people will have different opinions. It’s not inconsistency, it’s different people offering unique perspectives.

Secondly, yes! You’re post is the first so it probably won’t pick up too much traction, but it might be a start to building the subreddit into something. Open invitation to anyone here to join Reddit.com/r/armchairimagineering.
 

SplashJacket

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It's confusing and kind of inconsistent when person A (i.e., you and @SplashZander) like something of mine while person B (like @MickeyMouse10) does not like something.
That's the beauty of humanity. Everyone likes different things. We all come from different backgrounds with different stories, so we all have something unique to add.

If everyone was the same, life would be monotonous and boring. No design will please anyone, no matter how close to perfect it may be.

My desires in a theme park are vastly different from you, my friends, my family, or strangers, and that's beautiful! I can get joy in the small details, like a tombstone that occasionally blinks, while my friend may only appreciate the thrills of a coaster. We're all different! That should be celebrated, not mourned.
 

mharrington

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This is actually a really cool idea. I've never looked at the Pinnochio IP from this angle.

Do you think this kind of ride, a swing ride themed to Pinocchio, would work in Storybook Circus? If so, how?
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MickeyWaffleCo.

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Do you think this kind of ride, a swing ride themed to Pinocchio, would work in Storybook Circus? If so, how?
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I think it would fit perfectly. After all, the circus is literally called “Storybook Circus”, implying that it’s a home for storybook characters in general, not necessarily just an American circus.
 

SplashJacket

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Do you think this kind of ride, a swing ride themed to Pinocchio, would work in Storybook Circus? If so, how?
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In its current iteration no. The circus infrastructure primarily centers around Dumbo, but the area could be easily restructured to reflect a broader circus theme. Currently, there are classic characters like Mickey and Donald reflected in the circus theme, but when walking through the area, especially at its entrance, you don’t really get that impression.

This attraction could definitely amplify the area’s overall theme while also adding a non Dumbo-style flat ride, something Magic Kingdom could definitely benefit from. It would also give Pinocchio the representation in Magic Kingdom it deserves.

The storybook circus area, while nice, always felt like somewhat of an afterthought, so a new attraction, even small, could help flesh it out.
 

mharrington

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In its current iteration no. The circus infrastructure primarily centers around Dumbo, but the area could be easily restructured to reflect a broader circus theme. Currently, there are classic characters like Mickey and Donald reflected in the circus theme, but when walking through the area, especially at its entrance, you don’t really get that impression.

This attraction could definitely amplify the area’s overall theme while also adding a non Dumbo-style flat ride, something Magic Kingdom could definitely benefit from. It would also give Pinocchio the representation in Magic Kingdom it deserves.

The storybook circus area, while nice, always felt like somewhat of an afterthought, so a new attraction, even small, could help flesh it out.
I think a bigger issue with the ride's placement in Storybook Circus (which doesn't even have Dumbo's name in the land name) is just how the physical structure in the concept art would fit, since it's themed not just to Pinocchio, but to one of Geppetto's creations in particular. It would also need to be enclosed to protect from the elements. However, given the size of any swing ride, even without the elevated platform, it would require a HUGE building to house it, which would likely be so huge as to dwarf the surrounding structures.
 

SplashJacket

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I think a bigger issue with the ride's placement in Storybook Circus (which doesn't even have Dumbo's name in the land name) is just how the physical structure in the concept art would fit, since it's themed not just to Pinocchio, but to one of Geppetto's creations in particular. It would also need to be enclosed to protect from the elements. However, given the size of any swing ride, even without the elevated platform, it would require a HUGE building to house it, which would likely be so huge as to dwarf the surrounding structures.
Why would it need to be enclosed? I think it would be better as an open air attraction. Adds more kinetics to the land.
 

mharrington

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Why would it need to be enclosed? I think it would be better as an open air attraction. Adds more kinetics to the land.
Maybe so, but one problem is the size. Not only would it be out of scale with the surrounding structures, but it looks like an oversized toy, which certainly does not fit in with the circus setting at all, especially if it was outdoors. I'm pretty sure there's a reason why this park's Dumbo ride now has more of a circus motif, rather than a toy-like theme at other parks. What's more, I don't see Geppetto having anything to do with something that would seem more fitting for, say, Stromboli. And then there's the issue of inclement weather, which is all too common in Florida. I could be mistaken, but I think they shut down the Silly Symphony Swings when it rains, just as they shut down the teacups in Disneyland when it rains.

One idea I've actually had was to do this ride just outside Storybook Circus, in part of the spot where the Speedway is, which would take away from Tomorrowland by handing it over to Fantasyland. But @MickeyMouse10 argued emphatically that it would not make sense to do anything over there, let alone a simple spinner, especially not with the Tron roller coaster in the wings. Plus, there's the issue of how to set up the entrance in this area.

Also, @MickeyMouse10 argued that any Pinocchio-themed attraction should address the Village Haus elsewhere in Fantasyland, which was one reason why I had been debating doing something more related to Monstro the Whale in this area instead, since at least the sea in the movie is far enough away from the village to not be a major issue.
 

MickeyMouse10

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I'm alright with a spinner ride if it's a part of a land and doesn't waste valuable space. However the footprint you were going to use for the 1 ride seemed too big and it didn't seem to fit the area it was in.

As for the Village area, I said the Pinocchio dark ride and queue could start where the restrooms are. Then it could proceed to the back area behind it. You then brought up there are important utilidors in this section and that wasn't possible. So I countered and said if more space were needed (for the attraction part), it could be placed behind "It's a Small World".
 

mharrington

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I'm alright with a spinner ride if it's a part of a land and doesn't waste valuable space. However the footprint you were going to use for the 1 ride seemed too big and it didn't seem to fit the area it was in.

As for the Village area, I said the Pinocchio dark ride and queue could start where the restrooms are. Then it could proceed to the back area behind it. You then brought up there are important utilidors in this section and that wasn't possible. So I countered and said if more space were needed (for the attraction part), it could be placed behind "It's a Small World".

I don't want to sacrifice the Village Haus restaurant for that. Otherwise, there would be only two such restaurants left, in Paris and Shanghai. We've already lost the one in Disneyland to a Beauty and the Beast retheme, and I don't want it to happen in WDW as well. Plus, I simply don't want just another clone of the Pinocchio ride, which you seem to be hinting at. Also, I believe the area you are suggesting happens to be in another equally important area: namely, the fireworks fallout zone. I believe that's the reason they haven't expanded back there.
 
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MickeyMouse10

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I don't want to sacrifice the Village Haus restaurant for that. Otherwise, there would be only two such restaurants left, in Paris and Shanghai. We've already lost the one in Disneyland to a Beauty and the Beast retheme, and I don't want it to happen in WDW as well. Plus, I simply don't want just another clone of the Pinocchio ride, which you seem to be hinting at. Also, I believe the area you are suggesting happens to be in another equally important area: namely, the fireworks fallout zone. I believe that's the reason they haven't expanded back there.

I didn't say that you had to sacrifice the Village Haus. You'd only have to do so if you were putting a Pinocchio ride or land somewhere else. Because it makes no sense to have Pinocchio in 2 opposite parts of Fantasyland.

Attraction wise, it is upto you. You could really do anything in the back area. Because there's so much space that isn't being used.
 

mharrington

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I didn't say that you had to sacrifice the Village Haus. You'd only have to do so if you were putting a Pinocchio ride or land somewhere else. Because it makes no sense to have Pinocchio in 2 opposite parts of Fantasyland.

Attraction wise, it is upto you. You could really do anything in the back area. Because there's so much space that isn't being used.

I'm sure there's a reason why that space isn't being used: namely, it's the fireworks fallout zone. You couldn't really do anything back there without a lot of headaches. On one occasion, a stray firework landed in the foliage surrounding the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and caused a blaze. Fortunately, it was extinguished quickly. But it just goes to show the problems with working back there without having to contend with fireworks. I prefer to work within preexisting boundaries, even if it means putting two things based on the same property in two separate areas. I prefer to find space for something rather than make space for something.
 

mharrington

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Anyway, I'm getting off-topic here, so to try to bring this back to the topic at hand (sort of), back in my Disneyland Curitiba thread, I have had to do several attractions alone without any help. It was an excruciating experience trying to come up with things by myself. Case in point: this Curitiba park's version of Pirates, which contains elements of several things, including the closed Jack Sparrow experience at the Studios, as well as the Shanghai ride and the classic ride, and wrapped around in a water coaster ride. I'm not the most creative person, so my ride ended up in several posts, often back to back. For reference, it begins with post #94 (https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...open-brainstorming.927310/page-5#post-7977994) and ends with post #128 (https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...open-brainstorming.927310/page-7#post-8052897).

I was given praise for my idea, which is great, but no actual help with suggestions. This type of approach of doing several small bits of one ride would never do with @spacemt354's advice to wait until everything is complete before it is posted. I don't really know any other way how to put up my ideas without the approach I had done with the Curitiba Pirates ride (save for maybe a Word doc).
 

mharrington

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Interesting design and topic, however in light of the recent tragedy at Icon Park, I'd stray away from attractions like swing chairs. One it's difficult to be inclusive, i.e. an attraction of this type would only be able to fit certain heights, weights, and honestly when one starts to draw into an attraction, one wants to look at these aspects. After all the most important of all Disney Keys is safety. In a park overseas perhaps this would be popular. Most American's look at flying swings as a Carnival Ride, not something Disney or even the park down the street would create. Keep on the good work and definitely apply to Internships! If you fail the first time don't give up keep reapplying. Wish you the best luck!
I already have a job, and a good-paying one at that (with the state). I'm pretty sure Imagineering pays a lot less than the state. I fear I'm also out of the age range for internships now. Plus, I would have to move to Florida in order to actually work at Imagineering for real, since that's where they seem to be moving everything now. Thanks just the same, though.

Anyway, another idea I've had was something similar to a balloon ride, like the Inside Out Emotional Whirlwind. I'm sure that requires a lot of space, though. Maybe not as much as a swing ride, but still a decent-sized footprint.
 

mharrington

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Anyway, what if, instead of a swing ride, I took the idea of the swing ride and redid it as a balloon ride, like Flik's Flyers/Inside Out Emotional Whirlwind? At least there's less risk there of people falling from a chair here. Here's a video to show you:


The only challenge is that it may require a huge footprint. Here's an overhead shot of the bathroom area by the Village Haus, with the balloon swing ride superimposed:
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What do you think of that?
 

CookieMouse

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Anyway, what if, instead of a swing ride, I took the idea of the swing ride and redid it as a balloon ride, like Flik's Flyers/Inside Out Emotional Whirlwind? At least there's less risk there of people falling from a chair here. Here's a video to show you:


The only challenge is that it may require a huge footprint. Here's an overhead shot of the bathroom area by the Village Haus, with the balloon swing ride superimposed:
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What do you think of that?

Im pretty sure thats where the main/major utilidor entrance is located, so probably not do-able unless you were somehow able to move it elsewhere which i dont know how you could.
 

mharrington

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