Discussion in 'Imagineer' started by mharrington, Nov 26, 2015.
Sorry about That. I Was Busy with Other Projects and the Outside World.
So again, I ask: based on the basic rundown in post #140, how can we connect the scenes so they flow naturally?
I Have No Idea, But I Have a Brand Idea by Having the New Preshow with Audio Clips from Favorite Goofy Cartoons.
Hmmm what about slightly changing the order like Goofy hitting two cars, goofy on the road, driving to the woods, photographing animals, goes camping, goes fishing, then he ends up surfing, lands on a golf court, where he chases his ball which he shot on the tracks of the rollercoaster, gets dizzy and finally goes back home after a long day full of excitement and fun
I was going to suggest something similar - nice!
I would probably switch the golfing and surfing scenes, but other than that, good ideas.
I'm thinking of doing a rethink on the Mickey-themed area in the back. I'm thinking of doing the area as a more woodsy area, to help blend more comfortably with Frontierland/Liberty Square, something like a revived version of Camp Minnie-Mickey, but more improved with actual rides and not just a few random shows and character meets.
I'm also thinking of bringing in that Mickey dark ride, Mickey's Magical Madcap Adventure: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...project-four-open-brainstorming.924777/page-4. The only challenge with that is the space necessary, which this shows here:
The space for the ride is jutting out into the parking space, which I believe is pretty important.
Hey Marrington any plans with the Tower of Terror?
You're thinking of the Studios. This is about the Magic Kingdom.
I'm kind of on the fence about whether to do Mickey's Magical Madcap Adventure or Mickey's Colorfully Timeless Twist. The reason I am indecisive between the two is while they both sound appealing to me, I'm kinda favoring Timeless Twist, as it features elements of Mickey's old cartoons. But the rumor of the Great Movie Ride being replaced by a Mickey ride like this seems to make the Timeless Twist concept kind of redundant.
I'm trying to keep open on how things turn out (one idea will be still available as backup if the other concept happens), but I'd be disappointed if I didn't get to have a ride referencing shorts in the Magic Kingdom rather than the Studios, which is where the Great Movie Ride obviously is.
After the D23 announcement on Parks and Resorts, I have decided to make some modifications based on that. Here's what we know:
A) The Tron coaster will not take over the Speedway, which still lives for the moment.
B) A new Main Street theater involving live Broadway-type shows is being built.
C) The Runaway Railway attraction is going into the Studios, replacing the Great Movie Ride, which is a shame.
Here are my plans based on that:
A) The Speedway is going to be replaced by some new things for a slightly extended Fantasyland. I won't go into details yet, but just wait. Don't get too excited about E-tickets, however, as there is no room for such here. At best it will be a B, maybe a C, but that's it.
B) The new theater for shows may or may not replace the Mickey meet-n-greet at the Town Square Theater, but its location will likely hinder my idea for a Mickey ride on Main Street. Speaking of which...
C) The Runaway Railway attraction is based on the new stylized Mickey cartoons, whereas my Mickey ride, which will still happen in the MK, whatever it may be, will be based on classic Mickey shorts (at least one, anyway). Maybe it will be the Madcap Circus or it could be a revival/revision of the Fun House concept. Either way, it will likely go into the Storybook Circus area, which will receive a new name and break off into its own land, independent of Fantasyland.
Remember when I said that Fantasyland is going to be slightly expanded into Tomorrowland? Well, it will remove Cosmic Ray's. Not to worry, though, a new Cosmic Ray's will open in the Tomorrowland Theater area near the Carousel of Progress, much larger than before hopefully. Replacing the old Cosmic Ray's is a new Pinocchio's Village Haus. The old Village Haus spot is in flux right now, but I'm kind of leaning towards something based on "Tangled" (i.e., the Snuggly Duckling or maybe the Tangled Tree Tavern or something).
Anyway, replacing the Speedway, will be a slight Pinocchio-themed area. This will be home to a ride called "Geppetto's Workshop", but it will no longer be a swing ride. Instead, it will be an indoor ride themed to Geppetto's wooden toy carvings. However, in this case, they would be of toy versions of Pinocchio, Jiminy Cricket, Figaro and Cleo. Originally, I was thinking of having it be something like Mater's Junkyard Jamboree, a whip ride, but the current rumor seems to be that that kind of ride will be used for the upcoming Alien ride at the new Toy Story Land at the Studios, so that's not really going to work. Instead, the ride system will be based on Luigi's Rollicking Roadsters, a trackless "dancing" system.
To try and hide this area from Tomorrowland and thus not make it so jarring, the area will probably have rocks on that side or something. Sorry, best I can do on short notice.
I'm thinking of reviving my Mickey's Mad/Fun House concept, but modify it somewhat. I want to set it up so that it can be replicated in other parks, such as in France and maybe Hong Kong. I would use the Big Top Spin concept, but the problem is that I'm not sure how popular circuses are in the world, as compared to the United States.
In any case, the location for this ride would for better or worse take over Pete's Silly Sideshow, thus taking away an ideal spot for meet-n-greets. Not that it's much a total loss, since it's just Disney characters seen frequently anyway, just dressed up in circus duds. Actually, there is a reason I've been thinking of this location, and it comes from this article from the Passport 2 Dreams blog, which criticizes the Magic Kingdom for its blunders throughout its history, one of which, in the author's opinion, was Mickey's Birthdayland/Starland/Toontown Fair. Near the end, it singles out the tents of the area in particular, which were retained from the transformation from Starland to Toontown Fair, and which were transformed into meet-n-greets and a shop, which were ostensibly retained for their alleged profitability:
By 2001 the Toontown tent complex had become the single most profitable structure per square foot at Magic Kingdom. Mickey was the anchor, pulling crowds into Toontown, then dispersing them through a variety of shops and photograph locations. This profitability would ensure that the tents would survive yet another round of renovations - Storybook Circus.
Despite the fact that the reasons for the success of those tents were being scattered to the winds, it was proclaimed by fiat that the tents must remain due to their profitability. What had previously been the Princess Tent was transformed into Pete's Silly Sideshow, a permanent venue for Mickey, Donald, Minnie and Daisy with a nicely done circus theme. The crowds never quite returned to their original levels. What had previously been a bustling store where Princess dresses and Mickey dolls flew off the shelves now seems nearly abandoned after nightfall. The Sideshow meet and greet has started closing early.
Now that the power of the circus tents is on the wane, it really would be a nice gesture to finally lose them and build a permanent ride in that spot. The three Storybook Circus tents take up about as much room as the Mermaid ride next door. The basic problem is that the use of tents, no matter how nicely you build them or how intricately you theme them, still evoke temporary structures and, by extension, cheapness. Cheap ideas and cheap aesthetics are what Birthdayland initiated, yet it must be said that the new Magician Mickey and Fairytale Hall attractions are far above its standard, leaving just those three tents as symbols of Birthdayland's enduring legacy.
Thus, this whole area will be the new spot for this new dark ride. The only problem is, as I've said before, I want to be able to duplicate this ride in other parks throughout the world, like Paris and maybe Hong Kong, but I don't know how popular circuses or circus elements are in the world.
It seems rather difficult to pull off beyond the Magic Kingdom without a circus-like land, and all there is in these parks in most cases is Dumbo.
I will do a thread (yet another one!) on this Mickey dark ride soon, but until then, what are your thoughts?
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