News Annual Passholder Park Pass Reservation Change

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
Because management decisions that a fan disagrees with, isn't usually expressed as 'unconscionable' and 'unacceptable' and claiming their PR is just a bunch of lies.
"Unconscionable" may be a tad extreme, but so is categorizing the person as "you should never visit the parks again", for the use of an adjective.

I think Disney knows they could take a dump in a box and add it to Genie+ and there would be fans who would defend it as magical.

I believe they also know that there are fans who will hold them accountable and highlight said dumps in boxes, amd those fans are probly the reason Disney doesn't make everything a walk through attraction.
 

Kamikaze

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Why would it mean he (or she) would never want to visit a Disney park again simply because they disagree with Disney's decision?

If a season ticket holder for a sports team disagrees with a decision the team made, should they never attend another game?
Because if you use the term 'unacceptable', you cannot then turn around and attend the park - therefore accepting it. Grow a pair and put your money where your mouth is. If you don't like what they're doing, don't support them. Its not a hard concept to figure out. They continue to push everything (benefits, prices, discounts) because they don't receive any pushback. It won't stop until they do. And when you have blowhards calling things 'unacceptable' and still visiting, you end up with Disney not listening to what anyone thinks and continuing the trends.

And yes, if a fan of a team calls something 'unacceptable', I would ask them if that means they are no longer going to follow or give money to the team.
"Unconscionable" may be a tad extreme, but so is categorizing the person as "you should never visit the parks again", for the use of an adjective.
No, that's not what I said at all. I asked if they were going to follow through with their bravado. There's a world of difference between what I said and how you're portraying it.
 
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JohnD

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The going to a park (not "hopping") after 2pm without a reservation is a step in the right direction. It won't satisfy those who have a lawsuit against WDW, however. I have to admit they have a point in that the IncrediPass which is supposed to be "unlimited" isn't really anymore because of park reservations. For them, being able to go directly to a park after 2pm without a reservation still won't satisfy their lawsuit. They would say they're still limited between park open and 2pm, especially if they're maxed out on park reservations with their allotted # or even a resort stay. Will be interesting to watch.
 

Tha Realest

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Think of it as "Epcot after 4" but applied to all parks after 2pm (I know, except MK on weekends and blockouts). Call it the Annual Passholder "WDW parks after 2" benefit. Just show up and tour. No reservation. Nice!
I thought the same thing. Except the Epcot after 4 pass was substantially cheaper than current offerings…
 

monothingie

Too bad, sugar puff. We could have been something.
Premium Member
Disney's AP strategy is a complete mess.

What is their ultimate goal here?

On one hand they try to placate existing AP Holders by announcing improvements such as this, yet at the same time by not resuming sales of APs to people who seemingly want them, they are pushing people away and thinning the herd so to speak. I mean they announced price increases for passes that may never go on sale. Does anyone actually have a plan or know what they're doing?
 

Jrb1979

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Disney's AP strategy is a complete mess.

What is their ultimate goal here?

On one hand they try to placate existing AP Holders by announcing improvements such as this, yet at the same time by not resuming sales of APs to people who seemingly want them, they are pushing people away and thinning the herd so to speak. I mean they announced price increases for passes that may never go on sale. Does anyone actually have a plan or know what they're doing?
From what's gone on it feels like the plan is to limit the amount of AP holders. Personally I think there is a better way to go about it.
 

Kamikaze

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Can you not be critical of the things/people/places that you love without having to dissolve the relationship?
Absolutely you can. But don't use words like 'unacceptable'. Simply saying 'I don't agree with this decision' is enough to get your point across. Saying you WON'T ACCEPT the decision makes you a liar when you do.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
Absolutely you can. But don't use words like 'unacceptable'. Simply saying 'I don't agree with this decision' is enough to get your point across. Saying you WON'T ACCEPT the decision makes you a liar when you do.
Fair point, but also extremely pedantic. And it comes off as a febal attempt to invalidate a position by citing improper use of an adjective.
 

Kamikaze

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Fair point, but also extremely pedantic. And it comes off as a febal attempt to invalidate a position by citing improper use of an adjective.
Feeble*

And it has nothing to do with the adjective. It has to do with the 'stance'. If you're going to flip tables over what Disney is doing, it means you can't give them your money anymore, regardless of what words you use. But saying the word 'unacceptable' makes it 100% obvious that you have no follow through.
 

CJR

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I mean they announced price increases for passes that may never go on sale.

Just worth mentioning, the price increases do impact renewals and some rare new sales.

As existing passholder families grow (think a child turning three), Disney is allowing those families to buy a new AP for their child, which would be at the increased price. That's about the only way to buy a new AP that's not a Pixie Dust Pass.
 

Touchdown

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The status quo will not stand at some point Disney will either disband all but the Pixie Pass or start selling them again (like DLR) with resort bookings down, and the fed likely to keep raising rates for awhile, I know what I would bet on happening.
 
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wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
Feeble*

And it has nothing to do with the adjective. It has to do with the 'stance'. If you're going to flip tables over what Disney is doing, it means you can't give them your money anymore, regardless of what words you use. But saying the word 'unacceptable' makes it 100% obvious that you have no follow through.
You seem far more concerned with the semantics and that the person follow through on their actions and never step foot inside a Disney park again, rather than understand the person posted out of frustration and used a word that didn't perfectly fit what their future actions may be, which is to possibly spend money with a company they have loved for decades, which is also far bigger than just theme parks, and is currently going through some rough changes that a majority of people are frustrated with.
 

Kamikaze

Well-Known Member
You seem far more concerned with the semantics and that the person follow through on their actions and never step foot inside a Disney park again, rather than understand the person posted out of frustration and used a word that didn't perfectly fit what their future actions may be, which is to possibly spend money with a company they have loved for decades, which is also far bigger than just theme parks, and is currently going through some rough changes that a majority of people are frustrated with.
Yes. Yes.

You're the one that's caught up on the actual word. If the post we're talking about said 'I'm never going again' and I responded the same way, basically asking "Can I get your word on that?", what would you say?
Saying its 'unacceptable' is basically saying the same thing - you won't accept it so you won't go. To turn around and go betrays the entire sentiment.

Don't threaten things and then not follow through - because it leads to Disney not listening to fans about anything. When every single change is the end of the World, nothing is. So you can't go saying you're going to boycott after they raise prices and then go anyway. Because they do see that, believe it or not, and they then know they can't believe anything that gets traction in the fandom as 'going too far' because it never is.

Save your rhetoric for the changes that matter, and follow through when you use it. That's it. It isn't that difficult of a concept.

Also: I purposely specifically said 'never go to a park again'. I didn't say 'Never give Disney any money' because you might be a huge Marvel (or Pixar or whatever) fan and not have a problem with what they're doing there, and the theme parks are your issue with TWDC. I hated 60 day FastPass, so I didn't go to WDW while they had it. But I did go to Disneyland and give Disney plenty of money through its other companies. You can stand your ground without having to go back on your word.
 
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wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
Yes. Yes.

You're the one that's caught up on the actual word. If the post we're talking about said 'I'm never going again' and I responded the same way, basically asking "Can I get your word on that?", what would you say?
Saying its 'unacceptable' is basically saying the same thing - you won't accept it so you won't go. To turn around and go betrays the entire sentiment.

Don't threaten things and then not follow through - because it leads to Disney not listening to fans about anything. When every single change is the end of the World, nothing is. So you can't go saying you're going to boycott after they raise prices and then go anyway. Because they do see that, believe it or not, and they then know they can't believe anything that gets traction in the fandom as 'going too far' because it never is.

Save your rhetoric for the changes that matter, and follow through when you use it. That's it. It isn't that difficult of a concept.

Also: I purposely specifically said 'never go to a park again'. I didn't say 'Never give Disney any money' because you might be a huge Marvel (or Pixar or whatever) fan and not have a problem with what they're doing there, and the theme parks are your issue with TWDC. I hated 60 day FastPass, so I didn't go to WDW while they had it. But I did go to Disneyland and give Disney plenty of money through its other companies. You can stand your ground without having to go back on your word.
Fair enough. I see your point and I appreciate the response.
 

TheGuyThatMakesSwords

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We have dumped APs. Dumped DVC. Let us know when you have a real product....
No Money for you, until you have something worth paying for.
 

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networkpro

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In the Parks
Yes
We havent "dumped" our annual passes, in fact, we renewed them with the price increase. Never have been swayed by any timeshare scheme no matter how pretty the bow it's wrapped in.

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