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Angels tell Anaheim they're opting out of their lease on Angel Stadium

TROR

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I respect the Angels organization more than Disney. Neither spend a lot of money but at least one has Mike Trout.
 

Darkbeer1

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Look, to be honest, more Housing and Business development is the likely 2nd choice if the Angels don't sign a new deal.

Disney is a long shot. The area around the Stadium wouldn't be the biggest fans to a large 24 hour a day operation, especially the housing.
 

Jiggsawpuzzle35

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There is a new story out that the Angels are looking at a 13 acre parcel of land near the Long Beach Arena for a stadium site. Any idea if this is true or not or is someone from Anaheim using Long Beach as leverage like Westcot Vs Port Disney back in the 90s.
 

shortstop

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There is a new story out that the Angels are looking at a 13 acre parcel of land near the Long Beach Arena for a stadium site. Any idea if this is true or not or is someone from Anaheim using Long Beach as leverage like Westcot Vs Port Disney back in the 90s.
Seems legit to me, although I don’t know much about the local political climate. That said, I’d be quite upset if they left Anaheim!
 

Stevek

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There is a new story out that the Angels are looking at a 13 acre parcel of land near the Long Beach Arena for a stadium site. Any idea if this is true or not or is someone from Anaheim using Long Beach as leverage like Westcot Vs Port Disney back in the 90s.
Yeah, if I read it right, the city reached out to the Angles. They'd use the current LB convention center parking lot. Would be a great location and awesome for the businesses in that downtown area, not sure how traffic would be in and out of the area though.
 

Stevek

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Roughly the proposed location, assume it would actually take up most of the parking lot. Not sure how those folks living in those nice condos will react to having to look out at a stadium versus the beautiful ocean view they have now. Gut tells me this won't get very far.

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TROR

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Roughly the proposed location, assume it would actually take up most of the parking lot. Not sure how those folks living in those nice condos will react to having to look out at a stadium versus the beautiful ocean view they have now. Gut tells me this won't get very far.

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If some dope hates free baseball then that's their fault for being stupid.
 

Jiggsawpuzzle35

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Roughly the proposed location, assume it would actually take up most of the parking lot. Not sure how those folks living in those nice condos will react to having to look out at a stadium versus the beautiful ocean view they have now. Gut tells me this won't get very far.

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Since it's next to the water, I'm assuming they have to deal with the Coastal Commission. That is going to be a big hurdle there. The key thing with Arte Moreno is that he wants land to develop such as building condos, apartments, restaurants, parking, etc.... Is Long Beach going to give him that?
 

Disney Irish

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Since it's next to the water, I'm assuming they have to deal with the Coastal Commission. That is going to be a big hurdle there. The key thing with Arte Moreno is that he wants land to develop such as building condos, apartments, restaurants, parking, etc.... Is Long Beach going to give him that?
Since that site shown is inland and not actually "on the water" (and already a parking lot) I'd assume the Coastal Commission would have no actual say in what is done.
 

Darkbeer1

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Since that site shown is inland and not actually "on the water" (and already a parking lot) I'd assume the Coastal Commission would have no actual say in what is done.
Sorry, but that is wrong, the Coastal Commission control can go up to 5 miles inland, and a minimum of a few hundred yards, and you can see the Harbor in the aerial photo shown.


The story lede overstates the situation: after the Angels exercised their opt-out provision last year, the City of Long Beach informed the Angels of the city’s interest in discussing the waterfront property as a site for the team.

Mayor Garcia told the Post:

“We are in the early stages of our due diligence and are exploring a variety of options for this property,” Mayor Robert Garcia confirmed in a statement Monday evening. “We have approached the Angels to express our interest and discuss the possibilities of this opportunity.”

Translation: there are no negotiations and, in fact, Long Beach is still trying to figure out if is even feasible to bring the Angels to that site is even feasible, given its existing encumbrances. The Long Beach site is also under the regulatory purview of the California Coastal Commission – a body not known for being development-friendly. Furthermore, the Long Beach site is only 13 acres, compared to the 22-acre footprint the Angels currently have.<<

It was up to Anaheim Mayor Harry Sidhu to point out the obvious in a public statement on Monday:

“It’s no surprise other cities would try to lure the Angels to leave — having a Major League Baseball franchise is a big benefit to any city. We are confident that the best place for the Angels is and always will be Anaheim, and the one-year extension we granted gives us the time to work out the details and craft an agreement that benefits our residents and the city.”<<
 

Jiggsawpuzzle35

Active Member
Original Poster
Sorry, but that is wrong, the Coastal Commission control can go up to 5 miles inland, and a minimum of a few hundred yards, and you can see the Harbor in the aerial photo shown.



The story lede overstates the situation: after the Angels exercised their opt-out provision last year, the City of Long Beach informed the Angels of the city’s interest in discussing the waterfront property as a site for the team.

Mayor Garcia told the Post:

“We are in the early stages of our due diligence and are exploring a variety of options for this property,” Mayor Robert Garcia confirmed in a statement Monday evening. “We have approached the Angels to express our interest and discuss the possibilities of this opportunity.”

Translation: there are no negotiations and, in fact, Long Beach is still trying to figure out if is even feasible to bring the Angels to that site is even feasible, given its existing encumbrances. The Long Beach site is also under the regulatory purview of the California Coastal Commission – a body not known for being development-friendly. Furthermore, the Long Beach site is only 13 acres, compared to the 22-acre footprint the Angels currently have.<<

It was up to Anaheim Mayor Harry Sidhu to point out the obvious in a public statement on Monday:

“It’s no surprise other cities would try to lure the Angels to leave — having a Major League Baseball franchise is a big benefit to any city. We are confident that the best place for the Angels is and always will be Anaheim, and the one-year extension we granted gives us the time to work out the details and craft an agreement that benefits our residents and the city.”<<
I don't see the Angels moving to Long Beach. Like you have discussed before, we now have a business friendly mayor and city council.
 

Disney Irish

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Sorry, but that is wrong, the Coastal Commission control can go up to 5 miles inland, and a minimum of a few hundred yards, and you can see the Harbor in the aerial photo shown.



The story lede overstates the situation: after the Angels exercised their opt-out provision last year, the City of Long Beach informed the Angels of the city’s interest in discussing the waterfront property as a site for the team.

Mayor Garcia told the Post:

“We are in the early stages of our due diligence and are exploring a variety of options for this property,” Mayor Robert Garcia confirmed in a statement Monday evening. “We have approached the Angels to express our interest and discuss the possibilities of this opportunity.”

Translation: there are no negotiations and, in fact, Long Beach is still trying to figure out if is even feasible to bring the Angels to that site is even feasible, given its existing encumbrances. The Long Beach site is also under the regulatory purview of the California Coastal Commission – a body not known for being development-friendly. Furthermore, the Long Beach site is only 13 acres, compared to the 22-acre footprint the Angels currently have.<<

It was up to Anaheim Mayor Harry Sidhu to point out the obvious in a public statement on Monday:

“It’s no surprise other cities would try to lure the Angels to leave — having a Major League Baseball franchise is a big benefit to any city. We are confident that the best place for the Angels is and always will be Anaheim, and the one-year extension we granted gives us the time to work out the details and craft an agreement that benefits our residents and the city.”<<
Cool, thanks for the info.
 

Darkbeer1

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The San Diego Chargers Stadium can use a new tenant. Just like LA can have 2 MLB teams, San Diego can too.
Only with the permission of the San Diego Padres, and that won't happen. (They have a 120 mile exclusive zone).

The Angels are either staying within the Southland, or moving to a city/area currently not being served by a MLB team. And even that move would require MLB approval. So unless a location that has a temporary facility ready to go by 2021, followed by a brand new stadium, the Angels will more than likely stay in Anaheim.

The Angels went venue shopping a few years ago, and the best option, a former military base in Tustin didn't work out.

The talks haven't even started between the city and the Angels, heck, the city manager is still in the midst of coming up with a team that will negotiate with the Angels, more than likely an outside firm in charge, with a key city staffer being part of the group. The City Manager, Chris Zapata has dealt with the issue in the Bay Area and Phoenix, so knows what works, and doesn't work. The city's main goal is a long term steady flow of taxes and revenue to be placed in the General Fund, but also wants the area to be a key player in the 2028 Olympics, between the excellent train service available in the Southland to/from Anaheim (Presuming additional Metrolink/Amtrak service for the Olympics), and the Honda Center being hosts to at least Volleyball. The goal is to market the Hotel Rooms in the area as a place to stay, and also drive folks to Disneyland and the Convention Center.
 

Ismael Flores

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That piece of property referred to as the Elephant lot is actually designated Tidelands area which would be the only reason the California Coastal Commission would need to review any proposal

That is the least of the hurdles to get this project to move forward.

There are also other things to consider before they even commit.
  • The Jehovah’s Witnesses convention rents the piece of land every year and has a contract that does not expire till 2029.
  • This piece of property was also put in the plan to be used for 2028 Olympics. since Long Beach is suppose to host BMX and the triathlon is that the reason they are considering a stadium? If they got the Angels they would have a permanent use for the stadium once the Olympics are over?
  • The Grand Prix track runs along Shoreline Drive next the lot. The lot is used for surface parking for that so they would need to consider parking issues during any construction.
and for those interested as to why they call it the Elephant lot, is because the Ringling Brothers circus always used that lot to erect its tent when in Long beach.
 

Ismael Flores

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Only with the permission of the San Diego Padres, and that won't happen. (They have a 120 mile exclusive zone).

The Angels are either staying within the Southland, or moving to a city/area currently not being served by a MLB team. And even that move would require MLB approval. So unless a location that has a temporary facility ready to go by 2021, followed by a brand new stadium, the Angels will more than likely stay in Anaheim.

The Angels went venue shopping a few years ago, and the best option, a former military base in Tustin didn't work out.

The talks haven't even started between the city and the Angels, heck, the city manager is still in the midst of coming up with a team that will negotiate with the Angels, more than likely an outside firm in charge, with a key city staffer being part of the group. The City Manager, Chris Zapata has dealt with the issue in the Bay Area and Phoenix, so knows what works, and doesn't work. The city's main goal is a long term steady flow of taxes and revenue to be placed in the General Fund, but also wants the area to be a key player in the 2028 Olympics, between the excellent train service available in the Southland to/from Anaheim (Presuming additional Metrolink/Amtrak service for the Olympics), and the Honda Center being hosts to at least Volleyball. The goal is to market the Hotel Rooms in the area as a place to stay, and also drive folks to Disneyland and the Convention Center.

I wouldn't mind them moving to a new stadium off the 60/57 freeway near Grand Ave in Diamond Bar/city of Industry if a deal breaks down with Anaheim.

The area had been considered for a stadium when the Rams were looking to move.
The infrastructure for a stadium and entertainment venue had to be done even if a stadium deal did not go thru. That work was done and the land sits empty.

It would still be close to their original hometown allowing Angels fans to just drive north on the 57 to go to a game. you can see that the layout of the proposed plan is already there. The area in Yellow was going to be the area for the stadium. and the roads are partially outlined

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the.dreamfinder

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Very interesting thread! Just wanted to add that Montréal is a market that really wants an MLB team again and has a larger media market than either Portland or Las Vegas.
 
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