nytimez
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I'm still in the middle of moving, so as I write this I am in New York -- but I'll be moving to the Silicon Valley area. Not exactly close -- but I'll much closer to DL there than I am to WDW here.
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An Open Letter to Foamers Like Me
- Thread starter Supermatt70
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I'm still in the middle of moving, so as I write this I am in New York -- but I'll be moving to the Silicon Valley area. Not exactly close -- but I'll much closer to DL there than I am to WDW here.
Californian Elitist
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Oh, okay. I hope you have a safe move! Let me know if you end up getting a DLR AP.
Captain Chaos
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PM Steve... He'll listen to you... Personally, I like the idea...
nytimez
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Thanks -- and I'm sure a DLR AP is in my future.
Californian Elitist
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Cool.
AEfx
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With the veracity and borderline rudeness that many have posted, it seems the OP has hit a nerve in some.
I've been a member of this board for over eight years now, and it seems this "hater" and "foamer" mentality goes back and forth. The OP didn't say anything crazy, just expressed what many of us feel - that a lot of the additions/enhancements do everything but add to the theme park experience that Disney used to be known for. You know, before Universal came and made the best ride of the 00's (Spiderman) and the best of the 10's so far (Harry Potter) and Disney gave up and just kept developing the "resort".
This goes back and forth - the backlash, the backlash of the backlash, etc. as new members come and go.
The truth is, the OP didn't say anything outrageous. While I look forward to New Fantasyland because it's overall a vast improvement on the "place making" of the area, and I also can't wait for TLM and Mine Coaster. But overall, WDW has added nothing nearly that impressive in quite some time. MILF, TSMM, SGE - these are the types of attractions we were getting, now besides Fantasyland it's all a bunch of temporary gunk.
I mean, they held a big press "event" to tell people that they were adding some more benches to Fantasmic - and it's not even adding capacity. Not "We are getting an awesome new Dragon, so our in-room TV channel isn't lying about what you will see anymore" or even "we are adding a new segment with new characters".
They are taking an empty space people stood (which I actually quite liked the way it was) and adding some plain steel benches. Yay?
That's what qualifies as "news" from WDW these days - and I'm sorry, the OP is correct - as much as I love the place, it's become very, very stale. When they do build something big - Everest - it turns out to be the laughing stock of the theme park industry because the whole thing is themed around a Yeti that has been broken for five+ years.
It's not about "doom and gloom", it's about the reality. We can still enjoy WDW, but only the most ardent "foamer" would argue that anything they have built this century is nearly the caliber of what came before. It just isn't. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy what they have done, but none of it has "WOW'd" anyone, the best they get is "oh that's neat".
I've been a member of this board for over eight years now, and it seems this "hater" and "foamer" mentality goes back and forth. The OP didn't say anything crazy, just expressed what many of us feel - that a lot of the additions/enhancements do everything but add to the theme park experience that Disney used to be known for. You know, before Universal came and made the best ride of the 00's (Spiderman) and the best of the 10's so far (Harry Potter) and Disney gave up and just kept developing the "resort".
This goes back and forth - the backlash, the backlash of the backlash, etc. as new members come and go.
The truth is, the OP didn't say anything outrageous. While I look forward to New Fantasyland because it's overall a vast improvement on the "place making" of the area, and I also can't wait for TLM and Mine Coaster. But overall, WDW has added nothing nearly that impressive in quite some time. MILF, TSMM, SGE - these are the types of attractions we were getting, now besides Fantasyland it's all a bunch of temporary gunk.
I mean, they held a big press "event" to tell people that they were adding some more benches to Fantasmic - and it's not even adding capacity. Not "We are getting an awesome new Dragon, so our in-room TV channel isn't lying about what you will see anymore" or even "we are adding a new segment with new characters".
They are taking an empty space people stood (which I actually quite liked the way it was) and adding some plain steel benches. Yay?
That's what qualifies as "news" from WDW these days - and I'm sorry, the OP is correct - as much as I love the place, it's become very, very stale. When they do build something big - Everest - it turns out to be the laughing stock of the theme park industry because the whole thing is themed around a Yeti that has been broken for five+ years.
It's not about "doom and gloom", it's about the reality. We can still enjoy WDW, but only the most ardent "foamer" would argue that anything they have built this century is nearly the caliber of what came before. It just isn't. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy what they have done, but none of it has "WOW'd" anyone, the best they get is "oh that's neat".
draybook
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How dare that guy come here and express, politely and with tact, his feelings towards WDW!!! I say we draw and quarter him on live television!!!
Seriously, for you folks that want there to be a forum for gloomers, nobody forced you to read his thread OR post in it. Just like you would say that nobody forces us to go to WDW. I still love WDW, but we're slowly being drawn towards heading out to the West Coast for a visit. The OP isn't saying anything that's deniable.
Seriously, for you folks that want there to be a forum for gloomers, nobody forced you to read his thread OR post in it. Just like you would say that nobody forces us to go to WDW. I still love WDW, but we're slowly being drawn towards heading out to the West Coast for a visit. The OP isn't saying anything that's deniable.
Galactic Hero
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I rarely post anything in this forum but let me take my time to make a point here. Take a look at a picture I recently stumbled upon in the WDW pictures from the 80's thread.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.ne..._420352449236_501609236_4435685_4874920_n.jpg
Do you all see the cups in that picture? OMG, YES! THEY ARE COKE CUPS. I have seen so many people complain that WDW is just using regular Coke cups to save money. This is something that the old Walt Disney World would never do! Back in the good ole' days something like this would never happen!
Has anyone here ever thought that maybe you enjoyed WDW back then because well, you were KIDS. Back then you did not care about what the cups looked like or if the napkins were just plain white napkins, this is just the nature of growing up, you notice things you would not have previously noticed.
WDW is currently in the maybe a down period compared to DL because DL got Cars Land recently, but how bout when FLE opens up and then Avatar Land, and than maybe our own version of Cars Land? I guarantee when this happens DL regulars will be saying wow maybe I'd like to take a trip to the sunshine state and visit WDW. Sorry to use a Football reference but this is just like when Eli Manning recently Won his 2nd Super Bowl, some TV personalities were saying he has had a better career than his brother Peyton. Are you kidding, it's like people forgot about the last 10 years when Peyton was delivering week in and week out and people are just stuck in the present and fail to see the great things that happened in the past.
Now many people may miss my point and disagree, and that quite frankly that is fine, because I don't mind. If you don't want to go to WDW anymore I am fine with that more rides for me!
Sorry if I just wasted a couple minutes of your life reading someone complain about someone else's complaining, but I had to get this off my Chest.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.ne..._420352449236_501609236_4435685_4874920_n.jpg
Do you all see the cups in that picture? OMG, YES! THEY ARE COKE CUPS. I have seen so many people complain that WDW is just using regular Coke cups to save money. This is something that the old Walt Disney World would never do! Back in the good ole' days something like this would never happen!
Has anyone here ever thought that maybe you enjoyed WDW back then because well, you were KIDS. Back then you did not care about what the cups looked like or if the napkins were just plain white napkins, this is just the nature of growing up, you notice things you would not have previously noticed.
WDW is currently in the maybe a down period compared to DL because DL got Cars Land recently, but how bout when FLE opens up and then Avatar Land, and than maybe our own version of Cars Land? I guarantee when this happens DL regulars will be saying wow maybe I'd like to take a trip to the sunshine state and visit WDW. Sorry to use a Football reference but this is just like when Eli Manning recently Won his 2nd Super Bowl, some TV personalities were saying he has had a better career than his brother Peyton. Are you kidding, it's like people forgot about the last 10 years when Peyton was delivering week in and week out and people are just stuck in the present and fail to see the great things that happened in the past.
Now many people may miss my point and disagree, and that quite frankly that is fine, because I don't mind. If you don't want to go to WDW anymore I am fine with that more rides for me!
Sorry if I just wasted a couple minutes of your life reading someone complain about someone else's complaining, but I had to get this off my Chest.
Californian Elitist
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It's a matter of quality, not quantity.
vonpluto
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Yeah, like that will happen! As soon as the first Gripe post is posted to the new Gripe Sticky, the anti-gripers will post and Gripe about it.
Clever Name
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Some in the fan community continue to cling to the false hope that the Yeti will be fixed one day. Others cling to the false hope that the various night clubs will return to Pleasure Island. These fans will never be satisfied because their hopes are unrealistic. I find it to be very entertaining as various members posit their theories about how and when the Yeti will be fixed or how and when the Adventurers Club will return. In the face of all the facts and common sense, some people really still do believe in miracles. Their dreams never come true.
Captain Chaos
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ya know, sadly, you're probably right... LOLYeah, like that will happen! As soon as the first Gripe post is posted to the new Gripe Sticky, the anti-gripers will post and Gripe about it.
powlessfamily4
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If your looking for perfection in the world you will never find it. Life is full of joys and let downs. You need to roll with what you like and turn away from what you don't like. Only you can choose how you're going to view something. Change is a reality of life.
Tomi-Rocket
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Supermatt70 is entitled to his opinion. My first thought was, "Well, that's less we have to deal with now when we go." But it does get me thinking about people who think that WDW should be perfect and pristine while THEY are there. I do not expect that. I am not bothered in the least if a light is out at the Grand Floridian, no matter how much we spend. I suppose it's because there is no such thing as perfect and I am aware of that fact and accept it. Nor am I bothered when I see maintenance done on the hotels or parks while we are there. I am happy to see that. On every single trip we have seen some type of maintenance done on each hotel. Am I supposed to bemoan the fact it's being done while we are there? I don't at all. It has to be done sometime and quite frankly I'm happy to see the upkeep that I do associate with WDW being done. I have said this before and I'll say it again, I believe so much goes back to our entitlement society. It's supposed to be perfect while WE are vacationing. Right. Okay. Moving on..... I also don't get upset if things don't go my way or a restaurant doesn't live up to my expectations. I read tons of reviews before each trip about the hotel and restaurants we're eating in but I take them all with a grain of salt. I know there are easy going people on there like me and I know there are people giving reviews from the "it's all about me" camp. I just take the reviews in and go in with an open mind. That's not to say I'm not a bit nervous if we pick some that don't get the best reviews. Like Mama Melrose's. We've eaten there and I saw some dreadful reviews and thought it must have gone downhill since we were there last. No, we enjoyed it. I am fairly easy to please. I am thrilled to be on vacation to my favorite place and it takes a LOT for me to have a horrible opinion about someplace. So far we've loved all the properties we've stayed in (we've tried all three) and there are only a few places we haven't gone back to because the food wasn't great. Not inedible as some people claim. But if one of those places started getting stellar reviews I'd consider them again.
We are planning on going to DL in 2015 and maybe it will be so amazing that it will completely change my mind about WDW. But I doubt it.
We are planning on going to DL in 2015 and maybe it will be so amazing that it will completely change my mind about WDW. But I doubt it.
captainkidd
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Odd thread. Many of the posts that have been harsh have been allowed to stay, while others have been removed. I guess what is good for the goose is not good for the gander.
GLaDOS
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You think fixing a broken effect is an unrealistic demand?
This is why we can't have nice things anymore.
Clever Name
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I don't think that fans such as you or I or any other fan is in a position to demand anything from Disney. We may make our feelings known and we may make requests but I think that's about as far as it goes. It's unrealistic to think that you can demand that Disney do anything. I do understand that some people think that Disney business is subject to public referendum.
bethymouse
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Oh dear! Not again! Whether it's DW or DL, it's still DISNEY!
Californian Elitist
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Oh dear! Not again! Whether it's DW or DL, it's still DISNEY!
Exactly!!!
Goofyernmost
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Agreed, about most things you said. In the case of the be-lingered Yeti, well this has been a major embarrassment for WDW for a number of years now. They gain nothing by letting it stay that way. They have a boatload of money invested in that AA and I'm certain that no one would like to see it working more then they would. The problem is how to fix it without having EE down for a very long time...my guess would be over a year to repair that area that it is fastened too. There is no easy fix for it. It was an engineering failure not a Disney failure.
Unless, of course, all of those so readily willing to DEMAND that it be operating know of a way to get it going again, how can any of us be that critical of it. Disney is subject to public judgment, but that is where it ends. Can you imagine the roar that would hit these pages if they announced that an attraction that is working fine in every other area becomes completely unusable because they can't get the stupid arm of a mechanical Yeti to swing out? A Yeti that many people didn't see even when it was working! I think it has been reported that the ride would have to be shut down to repair it and even the earliest of coverage of EE it was stated that the ride was built around the AA. It cannot be removed or altered without having an affect on the rest of it.
That is the problem with us Disney Fans, we really start to think that there is such a thing as Pixie Dust and it will fix anything. If it isn't instantly done, then Disney is cheap and not willing to spend the money to fix something. Sometimes they need to know what to do to fix something before they can and then they have to weigh the reaction to the solution before they do it.