Monstropolis, Tron and a World of Color Christmas overlay:
http://micechat.com/29456-disneyland-resor-rumor-update/
http://micechat.com/29456-disneyland-resor-rumor-update/
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Al Lutz update today
- Thread starter Californian Elitist
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This guy needs to stop disparaging Florida and Orlando in every update he makes. Really if "Florida's One Disney" and the generic "Disney Parks & Resorts marketing team holed up in a generic office park in Celebration, Florida" are ruining Disneyland, why would TDA allow these choices to disrupt operations at the CA parks, which Lutz feels FL does not get at all.
If what Lutz says is true, why hasn't TDA gotten the courage to stand up to "horrible Florida." Florida should not be blamed here, Lutz, but the operator of Disneyland Resort.
TDA must approve of these choices made in Florida or else they would not be implemented. On the flipside how has California (Burbank, Anaheim) affected WDW in an operating sense?
If what Lutz says is true, why hasn't TDA gotten the courage to stand up to "horrible Florida." Florida should not be blamed here, Lutz, but the operator of Disneyland Resort.
TDA must approve of these choices made in Florida or else they would not be implemented. On the flipside how has California (Burbank, Anaheim) affected WDW in an operating sense?
Here we go again with the "Lutz hates Florida" thing.
You're taking things the wrong way, Lutz doesn't hate Florida or TDO. Does he maybe dislike the choices they make? Most likely. The thing is he used to talk about Disneyland and California Adventure the same way.
Given that Georgie K came from Florida, and he was DL's president during this decision, I can very well believe some decisions come from TDO. Not to mention Meg Crofton. It's really not that hard to believe. Florida is not to blame? How would you know that, exactly?
RandomPrincess
Keep Moving Forward
I hope TL get a much needed make over! I would love to see the rockets back up top and something done with the people move/Rocket rods track. How ed will people be if DLR get the Monster's Inc door coaster instead of DHS?!?!
Cosmic Commando
Well-Known Member
SUPER excited to them go crazy with a 21st century Tomorrowland. Opening in time for the 50th anniversary of Tomorrowland '67? You know the locals would eat that up!
GiveMeTheMusic
Well-Known Member
Monstropolis and Tron couldn't be more boring choices. We want Iron Man.
Called it on World of Color Christmas - just saying.
One Disney has made it so that several Orlando folks have absolute authority of DLR - especially when it comes to stuff like marketing promotions. Let the Memories Begin and other slipshod Florida ideas were foisted on DLR whether wanted them or not, and the all-nighter is the latest example.
And if TDO made good decisions, disparaging wouldn't be necessary.
Called it on World of Color Christmas - just saying.
One Disney has made it so that several Orlando folks have absolute authority of DLR - especially when it comes to stuff like marketing promotions. Let the Memories Begin and other slipshod Florida ideas were foisted on DLR whether wanted them or not, and the all-nighter is the latest example.
And if TDO made good decisions, disparaging wouldn't be necessary.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
Ha! Great points. I can understand that there are typical corporate politics at work here, like any big company with more than one "home office".
But you have to admit, there are more than a few WDW fans living east of the Rockies who get very testy if anyone from California (Al Lutz) mentions that WDW management may not be at the top of their game.
This 24 Hour Party thing is a disaster. But if you work in a cubicle farm in Celebration, Florida, what the heck do you care what happens in Anaheim this Friday night at 2:00 AM? You did your PowerPoint show and your boss got his budget approved and everyone in the cubicles are happy, so who cares what actually happens in some dumb theme park that some old guy named Walt built in California like 300 years ago?
lego606
MagicBandit
"Don't worry California! Your Florida-based team planned this out perfectly!"
GiveMeTheMusic
Well-Known Member
It's a fundamental issue that plagues moronic ideas like "One Disney." Is it smart to share best practices between resorts? Absolutely. But both resorts have to function very differently, as they serve different markets in different ways. One Disney means One Size Fits All, and it's a disaster.
A recent job listing for a Creative Development Manager, Entertainment was seen on disneycareers.com. The position was for Walt Disney World Entertainment, but the role is based in Anaheim. While WDW could definitely benefit from some of the superior entertainment practices at DLR, why in the world would a WDW manager be stationed in DL? There are countless managers/execs who work in Orlando and never step foot into Disneyland, yet they make the decisions.
Combine that with the incestuous DLR President selection process and you get resorts that slowly lose their identity over time, lack of management accountability and disregard for guest/cast needs. A great example is the Cast Holiday Party. One of the few actual perks to working at Disneyland was the fabulous Christmas party - uncrowded parade showings, short lines, snow, free roaming characters - but Florida stopped doing theirs years ago. Morale be damned, One Disney means that DLR can't have a cast party anymore.
It's just dumb.
It's also wrong and messed up. Getting rid of one of Disneyland's biggest traditions, then deciding the "free" Christmas seasons are now going to be charged. Sad and messed up. I hate One Disney and I hate that people in Florida get to decide things for California. That's BS.
I really think that the One Disney is completely separate from WDW and not to be blamed for the changes/problems at Disneyland.
One Disney was created by the Parks and Resort Division of Burbank, headquartered in CALIFORNIA. All the major decision makers are held in CALIFORNIA. I think they choose to put the One Disney in Florida because A) they have plenty of land and office space there that would be cheaper than headquartering in CA like the rest of the company, B) that is where most of the parks affected by their decisions are located, C) the Parks and Resort Division in CALIFORNIA probably wants Disneyland to be more like WDW in that WDW is the number one tourist destination/they get the most revenue from them and CALIFORNIA wants Disneyland to be more like that.
One Disney was created by the Parks and Resort Division of Burbank, headquartered in CALIFORNIA. All the major decision makers are held in CALIFORNIA. I think they choose to put the One Disney in Florida because A) they have plenty of land and office space there that would be cheaper than headquartering in CA like the rest of the company, B) that is where most of the parks affected by their decisions are located, C) the Parks and Resort Division in CALIFORNIA probably wants Disneyland to be more like WDW in that WDW is the number one tourist destination/they get the most revenue from them and CALIFORNIA wants Disneyland to be more like that.
Believe what you want, but Orlando does have some sort of influence on Anaheim.
GiveMeTheMusic
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Iger/Staggs/Croften are in Burbank yes, but the middle layers of execs between them are almost exclusively in Orlando, and it's those layers that make the decisions no one likes.
Of course and that is really where the problem lies. The Iger/Staggs/Croften are the ones who give power to the Celebration, FL group and they continue to support them. If Iger/Staggs/Croften realized what was happening, they would have the power to shut One Disney down or have them change. However the higher execs must like the job being done by One Disney.
If it is really hindering TDA, and even TDO, why haven't they tried to change decisions made by One Disney? Why haven't they gone to Iger/Staggs/Croften and say that One Disney does not work for their park? Why hasn't TDA sent representatives to work at One Disney in Celebration?
SUPER excited to them go crazy with a 21st century Tomorrowland. Opening in time for the 50th anniversary of Tomorrowland '67? You know the locals would eat that up!
Me too!
Magenta Panther
Well-Known Member
By "we", she meant we Disneyland folk.
Iron Man/Stark Expo sounds WAY more awesome and gnarly than Monstropolis.
GiveMeTheMusic
Well-Known Member
Monstropolis makes no sense. Why is Monstropolis in Hollywood? How uninspired. Another Pixar film, one that already has a perfectly fine dark ride. Yawn.
Tron is a franchise that didn't revive. Bombed sequel, bombed animated series. Iron Man is the hottest superhero of all box-office time, and lends itself to a rad Indy-style E-Ticket. I'd much rather have that.