Model3 McQueen
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And unfortunately this is going to last for years, if not decades, to come.
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And unfortunately this is going to last for years, if not decades, to come.
NickMaio
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I have also been thinking and saying this for years - - - - - - you mention it here and it's heresy......TLDR: Disney Parks becoming more like Six Flags, while Universal Parks become more like old school Disney.
I don't mean to disparage Six Flags (they're quite fun for a weekend trip), but Disney parks have always prided themselves at providing "The Disney Difference", and now that difference is walking right out the door.
Meanwhile at Uni...
Disney is resting on its laurels and not in a good way. Toy story land is a perfect example of this - - - just build what ever and they will still come.
It's pathetic.
Considering the strategic direction Disney's been taking in the parks, the hotels, and in content acquisition and delivery, I detect a move towards getting out of the theme park business. I expect Disney will sell the parks and resorts to some established amusement park company sometime in 2022. The key will be widespread vaccine availability and some perception of herd immunity to Covid-19.
That's not necessarily a call to panic -- Sea World Inc was successfully spun off of AB/InBev after the Busch's soldout off their breweries and parks, so it can be done. Just pray they find a company with deep pockets and customer-service focus instead of a building full of MBAs and corporate value raiders to buy them.
And from the corporate suit perspective, trimming company headcount by more than 100,000 direct employees certainly can't hurt the ol' executive bonus picture!
That's not necessarily a call to panic -- Sea World Inc was successfully spun off of AB/InBev after the Busch's sold
And from the corporate suit perspective, trimming company headcount by more than 100,000 direct employees certainly can't hurt the ol' executive bonus picture!
Goofyernmost
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You guys will not be happy until children are no longer recognized as people deserving of any entertainment venue. Walt's motivation was to have a place for Children and their Parents to have a good time together. You want everything to be just for adults and the hell with the kids. Toy Story Land may not be up to the entertainment value of grown ups, but it is exactly what their children were hoping for. On top of all that they can do it along with their parents. My what a novel idea, to bad it was already thought about 60 years ago by one Walter E. Disney.
FettFan
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You're not getting what we're saying.
Toy Story Land is lame, and you can tell it was built on the cheap to free up more money for Galaxy's Edge.
The thinking behind it is that you're shrunk down to toy-size and are in Andy's backyard, right?
Well, Disney already did a similar concept 30 years ago, but did it SO MUCH BETTER.
It didn't have a roller coaster or an off-the-shelf spinner ride, but kids and parents both loved it. Kids because there were plenty of things to climb on, parents because those giant grasses made for a welcome relief from the central Florida sun.
networkpro
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- In the Parks
- Yes
You're not getting what we're saying.
Toy Story Land is lame, and you can tell it was built on the cheap to free up more money for Galaxy's Edge.
The thinking behind it is that you're shrunk down to toy-size and are in Andy's backyard, right?
Well, Disney already did a similar concept 30 years ago, but did it SO MUCH BETTER.
It didn't have a roller coaster or an off-the-shelf spinner ride, but kids and parents both loved it. Kids because there were plenty of things to climb on, parents because those giant grasses made for a welcome relief from the central Florida sun.
and it was smack dab in the middle of an area without any links to it at all (other than "movie")
Disneyhead'71
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IDK, after interviewing the lead Imagineer on FEA, I fear that WDI is already suffering from a lack of intellectual depth. Rohde leaving will be quite a blow to the guardrails of thematic integrity and depth of content. Pretty sure this will lead to things like Zootopia in DAK. Not because they don't care about thematic integrity, but because they truly don't understand why it doesn't fit.
And I don't think for a second this was Joe's decision.
And I don't think for a second this was Joe's decision.
NickMaio
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Not exactly - - - I have a 3 year old and LOVE the rides for little ones, even before we had a child. What really ticked me off was the half arsed attempt at Toy Story land. It is insulting and poorly created. Not up to Walt's standard at all. My gripe is not with the rides but the lack of real theming. Sure Star Wars seems to be done right. Mickey and Minnie railway - - - why keep the Chinese theatre exterior? OH ya, money and being cheap. Dino-land USA - - - - - - what a joke and an eyesore.
Look across the globe at other WD parks - - - - THEY have the right idea. THAT is what Walt was going for.
American WD parks have been falling behind for far too long. Others are picking up where Walt left off....too bad its not WDW America.
NickMaio
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Yes----yes---yesYou're not getting what we're saying.
Toy Story Land is lame, and you can tell it was built on the cheap to free up more money for Galaxy's Edge.
The thinking behind it is that you're shrunk down to toy-size and are in Andy's backyard, right?
Well, Disney already did a similar concept 30 years ago, but did it SO MUCH BETTER.
It didn't have a roller coaster or an off-the-shelf spinner ride, but kids and parents both loved it. Kids because there were plenty of things to climb on, parents because those giant grasses made for a welcome relief from the central Florida sun.
That was a great experience even thought it had no rides......so much fun.
Toy Story Land was and is an epic letdown for Disney theming and guest interest.
The Empress Lilly
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I think there are like three imagineers left. Who have been told by Josh D'Amaro to just work harder.
Seventy years of progress later, and the kiddie exploration area is a baresteel coaster in a barren environment.
Walt? Here is the kiddie playground Walt built:
Seventy years of progress later, and the kiddie exploration area is a baresteel coaster in a barren environment.
Jones14
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I’m of the mind that Animal Kingdom specifically will be fine. The park now has enough to do that there’s no real need to throw things in as quickly as possible a la Epcot and Hollywood Studios, and as far as I’m aware the park as it is today is very well received.
I don’t think they’ll want to mess with that, especially since the other parks will continue to need big improvements for the forseeable. We’ll probably see another E-Ticket to replace Dinorama and a new nighttime show in the mid-late 2020s, and then they’ll leave it alone for another decade, just like they did after Everest and again after Pandora.
I don’t think they’ll want to mess with that, especially since the other parks will continue to need big improvements for the forseeable. We’ll probably see another E-Ticket to replace Dinorama and a new nighttime show in the mid-late 2020s, and then they’ll leave it alone for another decade, just like they did after Everest and again after Pandora.
Mickey5150
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Dino-land is the single greatest land in all of the Disney parks. Everything in the land is connected and everything tells a story. Look at the names on the buildings, the different rooms in Restaurantosaurus, take a look at the street signs. Look on the ground in Dinorama and notice the old parking spaces since this roadside amusement park was built on a parking lot. The attention to detail is so incredible in Dinoland and all anyone wants to do is complain about it. Walt would love Dinoland.
the.dreamfinder
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Continue the same course Iger/Rasulo set it on. More outsourcing, fewer employees that work for WDI in an attempt to control costs.
These efforts will fail and the increasing cost of WDI to do anything will make anything original or on theme an impossibility.
WDI will continue to suffer brain drain and many individuals who worked at WDI will run/work for the firms that do the work WDI used to do, at ever increasing cost.
Rohde leaving really changes nothing artistically so long as Chapek/Iger’s Franchise/IP mandate remains in place.
el_super
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The playground Walt built was far more barren than that picture suggests:
From http://gorillasdontblog.blogspot.com/
NickMaio
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Keep drinking that mouse eared kool aid.
Poseidon Quest
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The exact reason you're defending Toy Story Land is the reason it reflects on this idea poorly. Disneyland was full of family attractions that could be experienced by all, even with the Matterhorn as a thrill ride. Instead of a family friendly place, Disney did what most other parks do and created a campy kid section instead of peppering those family attractions throughout the park. Almost everything other than Runaway Railway is a thrill ride, even if those other attractions, other than RnRC are still family friendly.
Goofyernmost
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Nope, you are still looking at it through the eyes of a cynical adult. Would you enjoy riding Dumbo, or the Carpet ride or the Carousel or the old HISTK or Pooh's ride by yourself. It isn't needed for the target it is aimed for. (But I will repeat that all of those can be enjoyed as a family, together.) That is not different. You are creating a problem that doesn't exist because you feel it necessary to be angry about it because it didn't cater to your particular standards. I went through the land last year, I didn't ride anything but I did recognize the fun that it must be for kids and even thought the creative level was quite acceptable, again, for it's target audience.
In my mind most of the negative criticisms for anything you might find in WDW or other Disney Parks is simply because you are not taking the time to realize that not all things can be about you. Or even try to understand why certain things are the way they are. There are plenty of rides that I rode and enjoyed when my kids were little that I wouldn't dream about riding now because the main focus was not on my getting my jolly's but doing things with my family. One size does not fit all.
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mikeanabean
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Does this one guy matter @ all ? Disney is a business and they are gonna do whatever makes money.