Added on to my contract with HHI points...interesting things I learned...

becanya

New Member
Original Poster
So today we added on to our account with 100 points at Disney's HHI Resort! :sohappy: But I found out a couple of interesting things while I was doing it. Might be old hat to others, but it was interesting to me.

We currently have a VWL contract with a December use year. So when I called my agent to tell him I wanted to add on to our account with HHI points, he told me he would put me on the waitlist for HHI December points. I just assumed that once you owned in one use year you were locked into that use year. There were four people on the waitlist, and we were dead last. He told me that in a meeting last week Disney told them that they were going to work hard to fill all the waitlist requests before the use year, which according to him meant they would be exercising the ROFR on any account in the resale market that got a buyer. He said they have no points at all from last year (2010 use years).

While I was reading on here and mouseowners.com I noticed that several people have multiple contracts with multiple use years. Thought that was interesting, because he didn't even tell me that was an option. So I emailed him to ask. He said yes, it was an option to buy a contract in a different use year, and that the only month currently with points was February. So we were able to buy a Feb contract and get the 2011 points. I asked him why he didn't tell me this was an option in the first place, and why there are three people on the waitlist for December (now that we are off) if they could just points in a different use year?

He said that they aren't allowed to offer that as an option, because it complicates the accounts. He said most owners aren't that on top of their accounts and with two different use years they can miss the banking windows and forget which accounts have which points, etc. He said if the buyer asks for the option they can do that, but they can't offer it as an option.

That seemed really strange to me. It seems like those three people remaining on the Dec waitlist might be perfectly willing to buy Feb points and they could easily make a sell. Am I missing something here?

PS - Before anyone points this out, I fully realize that over the course of the remaining 31 years we will be getting 100 less points because if we had gotten Dec use year points we would have received 2010 and 2011 points, where with the Feb use year we are only receiving 2011 points. HOnestly, I was a bit worried that we would never get off the waitlist and still miss out on the 2010 points anyways. I would rather have the points and be able to book within the 11 month window since it's sooooooo hard to get into this resort.
 

Pioneer Hall

Well-Known Member
Interesting that they don't let you know that, I would think that they would be more interested in selling the points than making life easier for you and your contracts. As long as you are able to keep track of your contracts and know which points are where, then this doesn't seem like it should be any hindrance in planning. The only thing is that you are now going to have two different member numbers when you are looking to make reservations, so you are just going to have to keep track of what you are booking and which contract that is coming out of.
 

awilliams4

Well-Known Member
While you can have multiple use years and if you put enough effort into it, it may not be too much of a hassle, I agree with DVD's approach.

I would never 'recommend' someone to get multiple contracts spread out over multiple use years. Chances are, sooner or later, whether it is next year or 15 years from now, a plan that you would like to implement using multiple contracts spread out over multiple use years will likely cause a scenario that you would prefer not to have to do. Borrow from one contract to match up enough points for the other to do what you want to do would be one example.

Again, it can be done but I would not recommend it. It sounds like it isn't a big deal today but these contracts are for 30+ years or more. I would just wait for a few months to get the same use year than handcuff myself 20 years from now.

If you do wait, I bet you will be happy you did. What is a few months in a 30+ year contract?
 

tjkraz

Active Member
Agree with the last poster--would NEVER recommend two separate Use Years and often advise people to make every effort to avoid it.

Be aware that you now have two separate master contracts and that the only way to combine points from the two HHI contracts for a single reservation is by performing a TRANSFER. Transfers are limited to one per membership, per year. And there are a number of ancillary rules on which you will need to educate yourself (i.e. banked and borrowed points cannot be transferred.)

Unless you are willing to use each contract's points independent of one-another and rarely use the waitlist (varying the number of points used for a reservation, which isn't practical given the 1 transfer limit), I think you are setting yourself up for 30 years worth of headaches.
 

dizzney

Member
I so agree, two use years is a headachle, we only had that add-on for two years and I have enough to do on a normal basis I didnt need this aggravation either.

i would have waited for sure
 

becanya

New Member
Original Poster
Thanks for the info, that definitely sheds a bit more light on the difficulties that would keep DVC from encouraging people to do this. I can definitely see how it would be a major pain, ESPECIALLY if you are planning on staying at resorts that aren't your home resort.

We are some of those people who have bought both our contracts at the resorts that we absolutely always want to stay at, so we really aren't that concerned at this point with needing to combine the points for a stay. Not that it won't be a problem in the future, it very well could. I appreciate the insight into the whole thing.
 

disneyeater

Active Member
Not sure if your purchase is final, but curious if you looked into resale for HHI. There are a ton of contracts available for sale for much cheaper than directly for Disney and a quick search shows some with a Dec use year.

Just curious.
 

becanya

New Member
Original Poster
Not sure if your purchase is final, but curious if you looked into resale for HHI. There are a ton of contracts available for sale for much cheaper than directly for Disney and a quick search shows some with a Dec use year.

Just curious.

I did...that was actually my first approach. But my DVC agent said that because DVC is trying to fill all the waitlist requests, any December contract that is put under contract would be going back to Disney. There are 3 people on the waitlist right now for Dec points and he said DVC would be exercising their ROFR for most contracts on HHI that are out there right now. Didn't want to get 8 weeks into the process only to have it fall through.
 

Pioneer Hall

Well-Known Member
I did...that was actually my first approach. But my DVC agent said that because DVC is trying to fill all the waitlist requests, any December contract that is put under contract would be going back to Disney. There are 3 people on the waitlist right now for Dec points and he said DVC would be exercising their ROFR for most contracts on HHI that are out there right now. Didn't want to get 8 weeks into the process only to have it fall through.

While it could be true, I don't think Disney has bought back anything other than BCV lately. It might have just been your salesmen giving you a little bit of lip service. The important thing now though is to enjoy your purchase.
 

disneyeater

Active Member
While it could be true, I don't think Disney has bought back anything other than BCV lately. It might have just been your salesmen giving you a little bit of lip service. The important thing now though is to enjoy your purchase.

Unfortunately, I agree with that thought. But, it doesn't matter how you buy the points once you get there, so enjoy.
 

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