A Pinocchio ride in Storybook Circus?

[mharrington]

You could always change what type of ride you are doing. One that would probably fit with the aesthetic of Fantasyland better.

If not, there's always the option of just over the tracks. Like what they've done for Toontown and Galaxy's Edge in Disneyland. The Tron ride is even on the other side of the tracks in Disney World as well.

I don't know what type of ride to do, and I don't want to change the tracks just to accommodate one simple ride, which is super costly anyway.

 

[mharrington]

Unlike a lot of people here, I don't believe in conforming the surrounding area to my ideas if it's just like Roller Coaster Tycoon. I try to take reality into account. You really think it's so easy to deal with the railroad tracks? I prefer to work within logistics than just be pure blue sky, as you seem to be suggesting. Are you suggesting that I should just ignore logistics and just go pure blue sky?

Anyway, another idea I've had was to do a caterpillar-style spinning ride like Scuttle's Scooters (at Tokyo DisneySea) or the Slinky Dog Zigzag Spin (at Disney Studios Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland), which does not take up a lot of space at all, and in fact seems really tiny if placed over at the Speedway. Even the spinning balloon ride may be a bit small for the Speedway's footprint (i.e., it can fit right in with one or two attractions). I've thought of maybe theming the balloons to look like Stromboli's puppets, with Pinocchio in the center. Or maybe it could be a swing ride like the Silly Symphony Swings.

As for the caterpillar-style spinning ride, maybe that could fit in the bathroom area near the Village Haus, but that might be a tight fit, particularly with the load area, which would be entirely enclosed, as it would be themed to Geppetto's workshop. Here's a sample image with Scuttle's Scooters in the area. Obviously, however, it would require a roof:

I'm also not sure if it's smart to put the ride so close to the Village Haus, as it can effectively give the teacups a run for its money in terms of making people sick right after eating, as some may do here. The ride space is small, but it can pack a punch.

In any case, that's pretty much all that can fit back there. Of course, with the Pinocchio ride now being put someplace else besides the Speedway, it leaves the question of what to do with the Speedway.

 

[mharrington]

You're not being realistic though. Nobody wants just a spinning ride where the Speedway is or anywhere else. Unless it is the 3rd ride in a land (like Alien Swirling Saucers) and people are getting much better rides with it.

How am I not being realistic by trying to work within preexisting boundaries as much as possible? There is not a lot of space to do things. And honestly, what's wrong with a spinning ride? How is that unrealistic? And how do you know what people want or don't want?

If they wanted to Disney could build a ramp or bridge over the tracks. They should know how to do it, they've been building them for over 65 years. Anyways It's a better idea than putting Pinocchio in the middle of Tomorrowland.

Do you know what a logistical nightmare it would be to do that? That doesn't seem very realistic to me. You would have to reroute the train, first off, and bust through the berm. And it would have to super expensive to do. I'm pretty sure there's a reason it doesn't happen all that often. And really, why does everything have to always be a big, E-ticket attraction? And why do you assume my idea for Pinocchio is going in Tomorrowland? My plan would have been to actually reduce Tomorrowland a tad and have Fantasyland take over, using rockwork or something to help separate the two.

If not those then you can go with my idea. "Pinocchio's Daring Journey" could fit in back of "Small World", with the queue replacing the restrooms.

Why does everyone keep wanting to eliminate Small World from WDW? I can't see it going anywhere else, and honestly, it's too much of a hassle anyway, for all the same reasons I argued against busting through the berm beyond Storybook Circus. Again, why do you want me to ignore logistics and go all big, all E-ticket, all the time? What's wrong with a few simpler rides once in a while? And why a clone of the Pinocchio dark ride?

P.S. .... And stop acting like you're better than everyone else because you're definitely not.

I have autism and like to take things literally. I apologize, but that's just the way I like to do things, literally and realistically. And honestly, it's sort of a different style of things from the usual approach, which is to be as pure blue sky as possible.

And really, @Evilgidgit brought up some good points against putting it in Storybook Circus, which I hadn't really thought about before.

 

[mharrington]

Plus they are not going to get rid of most of Speedway for 1 spinning ride, themed to Pinocchio. Especially with Tron behind it and Cosmic Ray right in front of it. It makes no sense based on it's surroundings.

Well, I know something should be done with the Speedway, as it takes up a lot of space and is really quite a low-capacity ride. What's more, gas-powered cars don't really scream the future to me, especially with gas prices being the way they are now

Anyway, the only way that Pinocchio could physically fit in over at Storybook Circus is if it went in this spot that I once had considered for a Mickey ride that I was considering for that spot. I was even given a special, if somewhat crude, mockup of the track layout for the ride (which, by the way, does not interfere with the train tracks at all):

No offense, but I don't necessarily want to do a big, expensive E-ticket ride, as you seem to be hinting at, nor do I want to do a clone of Disneyland's Pinocchio ride, especially since it wouldn't fit in over there. I'm not sure how much a spinner would cost, but I'm pretty sure it's far less expensive than anything you seem to be suggesting.

You also had mentioned a copy of Alien Swirling Saucers (or at least the same technology), but I have yet to see a Disney resort with this same kind of concept at multiple parks. I'm pretty sure that's not cheap, either.

I want to try and have it be like the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, in that it's not a direct dark ride duplicate. I really don't know how it could fit in Storybook Circus, however, and I certainly don't know what type of ride to do there. What's more, an Italian puppet just doesn't seem to fit in a predominantly American-looking circus.

Moreover, I don't want it to take over the Village Haus restaurant (let alone Small World) for one simple reason: it's already gone from Disneyland, having been rethemed as the Red Rose Tavern. There are also similar restaurants in Disneyland Paris (Au Chalet de la Marionnette) and Shanghai Disneyland (Pinocchio Village Kitchen). I want to try and preserve the restaurants as much as possible. If this restaurant was removed, that would only leave Paris and Shanghai, and I don't want that to happen.

That was the reason I was trying to put a spinner into the space where the bathrooms by the Village Haus are right now: so that it won't have to take over any other valuable space, it would physically fit (if a bit tightly), and it could be themed to Geppetto's workshop, which would actually compliment the theme of the Village Haus quite nicely. The ride would have been themed to one of Geppetto's newest toys you would ride on, which would have been themed to Pinocchio, Jiminy Cricket, Figaro and Cleo, while in the center, there would be panels telling the story of the wooden puppet. It would have been the third in the Fantasyland spinners to show this off, after the Carrousel and Dumbo. Actually, it would be the fourth if I redid the teacups to include panels on the story of Alice In Wonderland (in the center with the teapot).

Anyway, I was deliberately trying to keep things more modest for several reasons: physical space, modest budget, minimal changes to other areas, and just wanting to do something different for a change. And the Speedway could be repurposed anew, although the transition from Fantasyland to Tomorrowland would still be just as jarring as ever. But that's another thread for another time.