How is Brazil cliched?
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How is Brazil cliched?
spacemt354
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I think what he means is Brazil has been done on the forums a lot. It's a "go-to" location for new Disney Parks in the armchair-imagineer community.
That being said though, if you really want to have your park there and you find the room for it, it'll fit all of your requirements!
You mentioned crime as being kind of a deal-breaker for doing a park in Brazil. To be perfectly honest, however, Disneyland in particular has had its fair share of crime, too. You would know that if you read "Mouse Tales", chapter 7: THE TRAGIC KINGDOM.
Another concern I have for doing Australia is that English is the main language there, just like the States. I'm wondering if that's one reason why Australia is a likely spot, at least for armchair Imagineers, so they don't have to do any other languages. It just seems too easy.
MANEATINGWREATH
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The crime rate in Anaheim and the crime rate in Rio are at two very different levels. Anaheim's crime index is 25 with 100 being the safest, with 1,135 violent crimes annually and 8,206 property crimes annually. Out of all 9,341 crimes per year, only a small handful take place at Disneyland. Only one person has been murdered at Disneyland ever and, from the perspective of a former cast member (me), there is no safer place to be than the Disneyland Resort. True, the surrounding area is a bit "ghetto," but once you're on property, you're safe. With any big city, you're going to face danger. That's life. There are enough security guards, police officers, and cameras to keep guests near-constantly safe.
The crime rate in Rio on the other hand... The level of crime is 90.32, which translates to VERY HIGH. In the past three years, crime has increased by 78.53. I won't get into specifics, but most of the statistics involve violent crimes and theft. Someone suggested Argentina and, honestly, it might be a better fit. Rio has enough going on with Carnival, Christ the Redeemer, the beaches, and so on. Make Argentina into a bigger tourist destination than it already is. Plus, I don't think I've seen anyone do a "Disneyland Argentina" before.
Well, no, but here again, what is the main language of Argentina? Spanish, the secondary language at the stateside parks. Again, I would think that Spanish would be easy to do, almost as much as English. But that makes it a little too easy to do, particularly the safety spiels. All you have to do there is simply reverse English and Spanish. I'm also wondering if WDW has an Argentinian clientele. Granted, not nearly as big as Brazil's, but still there.
It also makes me wonder, haven't the other parks throughout the world been subject to crime throughout their histories? Again, crime at WDW is referenced at in another book, known as Realityland, in a chapter called THE POLITE FORCE.
Oh, and as for crime, I did a quick search and it seems to me that Argentina can, in some cases, actually have a higher crime rate than Brazil. I won't go into details, but it depends on the crime in question. It's at this website called "Nation Master".
MANEATINGWREATH
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So you don't want Spanish or English? Then you need to look into other countries that don't have English or Spanish as their primary language. Off the top of my head, that leaves you with:
- Germany
- Sweden
- Switzerland
- Norway
- Italy
- Austria
- Greece
- Russia
- India
- Philippines
- Thailand
- Egypt
- Dubai
- Antarctica
Okay, maybe not Antarctica. I don't think anyone lives there.
- Germany
- Sweden
- Switzerland
- Norway
- Italy
- Austria
- Greece
- Russia
- India
- Philippines
- Thailand
- Egypt
- Dubai
- Antarctica
Okay, maybe not Antarctica. I don't think anyone lives there.
Austria might work. Vienna in particular is slightly further away from Paris than Berlin is. I don't think a lot of people have done a Disneyland Austria before, either, any more than a Disneyland in Argentina.
I also still haven't entirely closed the door on Brazil or even Australia. I'm just trying to weigh possibilities in terms of language, amount of populations, and releases of Disney films in these countries.
Daveeeeed
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Colombia anyone? If their conflicts end and Venezuela's...Bogota would be a great location. You can easily get people from Peru, Colombia, Panama, Ecuador, Chile, and even Brazil to go. And occasionally Argentina too. I feel that would be a get place if the conflicts are resolved, but Venezuela, as they aren't a free country, would have a hard time getting there unless a civil war happens after the country collapses which honestly might actually be better for the country in the long run.
Here's the other thing about your idea...
In the book on international Disney parks by William Silvester, Germany was nixed from the list of potential countries to host a Disney resort in Europe because, in the book's words, "it was found that most Germans preferred to take their vacations in other countries."
In the book on international Disney parks by William Silvester, Germany was nixed from the list of potential countries to host a Disney resort in Europe because, in the book's words, "it was found that most Germans preferred to take their vacations in other countries."
Daveeeeed
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A centralized location whether France or Germany was a good idea on paper but not in real life. Europe has different pieces of culture.
Actually that is what harms DLP's German attendance as although it is very close, due to the fact that even a 4 hour car ride is considered long. For Disney to work to its maximum in Europe it should have gone in Spain. That's the best place in the continent for Disney as it would obviously justify the flight and paired with the weather too.
Another interesting thing is that even if you don't take cultural barriers etc. WDW also has more than just 1.25 parks, so it better justifies a trip every year or every other year. Part of Disneyland Paris' early financial problems was also related to the resort as a whole being overbuilt resort (too many hotel rooms etc.)
Other cultural barriers like not including Duckberg also was a terrible decision.
Not to mention the fact that Germany has many smaller scales theme parks doesn't help either.
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I'm thinking about reviving the park in Brazil, but not necessarily in Rio this time. This too is from Silvester's book, which said that there were rumors of a park in Brazil, though not in Rio:
Word leaked out in February 2010 that Disney was planning to build a theme park in Curitiba, the capital city of Parana state in southern Brazil. Unnamed sources stated that Curitiba had been chosen because of "its excellent infrastructure, its strategic location and its international airport."
Construction was slated to begin in August 2011 and expected to last five years as twenty-five square kilometers of land were serviced and developed. The Disney resort would consist of a theme park, a zoo, water park, shopping center, and hotel complex.
Jose Carioca, a suave Brazilian parrot who made his debut in Saludos Amigos (1943) appearing with Donald Duck, would have a special area.
Disney already has a strong presence in Latin America with several Disney-owned TV channels, radio stations, a complex for dubbing Disney movies into Portuguese, and numerous publications.
As the announced dates have long passed, it is apparent that the Curitiba project was little more than a rumor, but one that rears its head every now and again as other infrastructure and construction projects take place. The announcement of the 2014 World Cup was to be held in Curitiba and the awarding of the 2016 Olympic Games to Rio de Janeiro give the hint of possibility to the speculation.
Maybe I could return to Brazil and do it in Curitiba, not Rio, the go-to location. However, I would scrap the zoo.
Word leaked out in February 2010 that Disney was planning to build a theme park in Curitiba, the capital city of Parana state in southern Brazil. Unnamed sources stated that Curitiba had been chosen because of "its excellent infrastructure, its strategic location and its international airport."
Construction was slated to begin in August 2011 and expected to last five years as twenty-five square kilometers of land were serviced and developed. The Disney resort would consist of a theme park, a zoo, water park, shopping center, and hotel complex.
Jose Carioca, a suave Brazilian parrot who made his debut in Saludos Amigos (1943) appearing with Donald Duck, would have a special area.
Disney already has a strong presence in Latin America with several Disney-owned TV channels, radio stations, a complex for dubbing Disney movies into Portuguese, and numerous publications.
As the announced dates have long passed, it is apparent that the Curitiba project was little more than a rumor, but one that rears its head every now and again as other infrastructure and construction projects take place. The announcement of the 2014 World Cup was to be held in Curitiba and the awarding of the 2016 Olympic Games to Rio de Janeiro give the hint of possibility to the speculation.
Maybe I could return to Brazil and do it in Curitiba, not Rio, the go-to location. However, I would scrap the zoo.
TheDuke
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Is a third park n California out of the question? They've got 4 in Orlando. Isn't there still a very slim possibility of WestCot happening someday? So you might be able to put a third, non EPCOT themed park there.
The most probably international location for a new Disney Park is definitely Australia. Australians would probably prefer to go to Disney in California rather than Japan for cultural reasons, but that's a long way away.
The most probably international location for a new Disney Park is definitely Australia. Australians would probably prefer to go to Disney in California rather than Japan for cultural reasons, but that's a long way away.
One reason why I am shying away from Australia is because of the language, which is English. I would like something slightly more challenging, which was why I was going a German language or even Portuguese, in the case of Brazil.
MANEATINGWREATH
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I'd steer clear of Germany. I just revisited the country a little less than a month ago, and judging by the freezing weather and snow in April, I'd leave Paris to host the European park, especially due in part to the close proximity of France and Germany to one another. Like France, Germany has a rich history that is still rather recent. The Berlin Wall is still something very real to the people, not to mention the remnants of World War II. Heck, there are still parts of the country rebuilding from said war.
StevenU
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I would do Germany or Austria.
BenJacobs
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Brazil is still developing, and the park should go in an HIC, there would be a lot of controversy about building a billion dollar resort in somewhere like Rio, a place where people are straving(in places).
I'd put it in Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Cairo, Tunisia, southern Italy maybe?
I'd put it in Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Cairo, Tunisia, southern Italy maybe?
BenJacobs
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What if Disney bought an Island in the Caribbean, meaning that it could get visitors from North and South America and have a climate that it pleasant and the same year round. People would only go to the island for Disney, they would have no competitors.
An example of a good island to buy is Little Inagua, search it up.
An example of a good island to buy is Little Inagua, search it up.
One of my main criteria for choosing a spot is the preexisting Disney presence in the country in question. That means that the country needs to have had a history of Disney films released there, if nothing else. I don't know of any releases of Disney films in the suggestions you offered.
My Brazil location would not be in Rio anymore. Instead it will be in Curitiba, which was rumored to be the home of a Disney park at one time anyway. The choice of Curitiba was due to its proximity to its strategic location, near an international airport, and had great infrastructure.
Disney already has an island of its own, known as Castaway Cay, located in the Bahamas, which is where Little Inagua is already. Looking at it on Google Maps, I would think that its proximity to Florida would not seem like a wise move.