A Mickey Mouse-themed land at DHS (open brainstorming), part three

[mharrington]

Well, if it's a good enough story, then I don't see why not. 3D in film form can always be extended beyond the remaining five scenes, and the motion that @Twilight_Roxas mentioned. And if done right, it could be far from just "[cannibalizing] something".

Besides that, Clock Cleaners would be a great choice (nice thinking, Red)! The facade could work nicely with the rest of the land, and the story could create a nice contained thrill not too extreme for a dark ride or younger children.

Yes, but as I've mentioned countless times, I feel somewhat leery about having classic Disney shorts referenced at WDW chiefly by way of the Studios, whose theme is just so... loose right now. Of course, Toontown Fair at MK is gone, so that rules out the MK as my first choice for this kind of section for WDW. But the fact remains that at the Disneyland Resort, shorts are largely referenced at Mickey's Toontown, with just a few references here and there at DCA's Paradise Pier and Buena Vista Street (hence, my original argument for the MK as the main shorts reference). Even so, classic Disney shorts at DCA are not referenced at all in Hollywoodland, whereas Hollywood is the basic theme of the park. Hypothetically, how would, say, the Silly Symphony Swings fit at all in the Studios? It's not going to be added, I'm just asking a hypothetical question for all to ponder.

Anyway, in terms of the Clock Cleaners concept, there is something that I found, so it's not my original idea. It was already put up before, but everyone focused on the wrong parts and made wisecracks about it, so here goes (again):

[M]y idea would be that you enter through an area that looks like the Disney Studios on Hyperion, with a recreation of the iconic old Mickey Mouse / Silly Symphonies sign, it would give way to a black and white area where you could meet some of the REAL long lost friends, preferably in greyscale, Clarabelle, Horace, Oswald, Clara Cluck... maybe even Dippy Dawg [meaning Goofy], Pie Eyed Mickey and Minnie, etc. This could potentially be a fun area to board a dark ride that takes you on a trip through the Disney cartoons from Steamboat Willie through the end of the classic Mickey in Technicolor area...maybe you board a mini Steamboat and begin travelling through the countryside, a barnyard, etc... then a tornado "sweeps you into technicolor" (it's the tornado from The Band Concert...the first Technicolor Mickey short)... through a funhouse room with mirrors (based on the old Pluto cartoon), on a quick adventure with Donald Duck, maybe through the Lonseome Ghosts house - though Lonseome Ghosts might make a good dark ride all on its own- Mystic Manor/Haunted Mansion meets Mickey!) then the ride would let you out in the later era of ToonTown where you could meet the real Sensational 6.

The thing about Dippy Dawg and Goofy being the same character is the thing they focused on and made the most comments about, which is why I put "meaning Goofy" up there in brackets to hopefully stop it from happening again. Anyway, I had thought of the ride to be housed in a copy of the Hyperion studio building, but the theme of the Hyperion studio would clash with the rest of the land because it involves animated characters coming to life from ink and paint, while the theme of the land should involve Mickey and the gang as real people (hence, the hotel). Wouldn't that be sort of contradictory?

 

[MonorailRed]

The thing about Dippy Dawg and Goofy being the same character is the thing they focused on and made the most comments about, which is why I put "meaning Goofy" up there in brackets to hopefully stop it from happening again. Anyway, I had thought of the ride to be housed in a copy of the Hyperion studio building, but the theme of the Hyperion studio would clash with the rest of the land because it involves animated characters coming to life from ink and paint, while the theme of the land should involve Mickey and the gang as real people (hence, the hotel). Wouldn't that be sort of contradictory?

I think... there is a way to make it work...

What if you made it almost like a "Studio" where the Toons "Work"... if that makes any sense?

If you had it right outside the Entrance to the land... Another Route could go along the lines entering through a book or a projector or something...

Start with Guests being "Shrunk" into a Multiplane Camera or something... To show how a animated movie/short is made...

Then, Someone from Mickey and the Gang takes over and the tour goes astray...

Have the guests fly in and out of different short scenes "Accidentally" Goofy-like...

Then, have the ride spit them out in the Mickey-land.... Almost like another way of "entering"

 

[mharrington]

I think... there is a way to make it work...

What if you made it almost like a "Studio" where the Toons "Work"... if that makes any sense?

If you had it right outside the Entrance to the land... Another Route could go along the lines entering through a book or a projector or something...

Start with Guests being "Shrunk" into a Multiplane Camera or something... To show how a animated movie/short is made...

Then, Someone from Mickey and the Gang takes over and the tour goes astray...

Have the guests fly in and out of different short scenes "Accidentally" Goofy-like...

Then, have the ride spit them out in the Mickey-land.... Almost like another way of "entering"

I'm not really sure how I feel about this concept, especially since I was thinking of the original ride concept from post #21. It seems like a variation on the current Journey Into Imagination ride where Dr. Channing is going to take guests on a tour of the five senses, only to be derailed by Figment. Isn't there any way that we can take out the "things go wrong" part? Maybe combine the two? One reason I'm questioning this is because I personally have never been on Inner Space before, so I really have no idea what happens there.

 

[Wikkler]

Does this help?

 

[MonorailRed]

I'm not really sure how I feel about this concept, especially since I was thinking of the original ride concept from post #21. It seems like a variation on the current Journey Into Imagination ride where Dr. Channing is going to take guests on a tour of the five senses, only to be derailed by Figment. Isn't there any way that we can take out the "things go wrong" part? Maybe combine the two? One reason I'm questioning this is because I personally have never been on Inner Space before, so I really have no idea what happens there.

I'm all for combining the two somehow, or making the original work...

Found a virtual ride through... I just though the Begging where it seems your "Shrunk" or "Transported" would be interesting...

 

[mharrington]

Does this help?

Not really.

I'm all for combining the two somehow, or making the original work...

Found a virtual ride through... I just though the Begging where it seems your "Shrunk" or "Transported" would be interesting...

Well, here's another reason why I'm questioning this idea: you've never had to walk through animation paper or an animation camera to get to Mickey's Toontown or to Mickey's House therein, do you?

And also, your idea for the Mickey and friends dark ride inside the Hyperion building seems comparable to the Toy Story midway ride, which, in Florida, is located in the Studios. Here's what an article by Yesterland has to say about it:

The attraction’s entrance and queue put guests into a world of giant toys. There’s no attempt to explain to guests why they are now the size of green plastic army men. It’s enough that the groundbreaking animated feature Toy Story (1995) was made at Pixar Studios.

And I'm envisioning a gigantic cartoon camera in the middle of the load area, lying on its side, the way the microscope of Inner Space is positioned so one could clearly see the now-shrunken Atomobiles going through. That would just seem like a forced fit, a way to MAKE it fit, comfortably or not.

I also had the idea of doing something similar with the Magic of Disney Animation, as a dark ride, but now, it seems somewhat redundant, even if it does involve more Mickey cartoons (which, as I said before, I'm still uncomfortable with as being located in the Studios mainly).

I'm also not particularly comfortable with making DHS the place where Mickey and friends "work" while Disneyland is where they "live". Where does the Magic Kingdom fit into that equation of continuity?

Actually, I had originally intended to put that Mickey dark ride into the Magic Kingdom on Main Street, but there's really no physical space for it there, especially since I've been hearing that they wanted to put in there an overflow bypass.

 

[mharrington]

I'm also concerned about the background music of the area. Here's the list from Toontown Fair:

• The Grasshopper and the Ants
• Little Toot
• The Pied Piper
• The Country Cousin
• Who Killed Robin
• The Skeleton Dance
• Springtime
• The Tortoise and the Hare
• Casey At the Bat
• The Three Little Pigs
• Goofy's Theme
• Minnie's Yoo Hoo
• Donald Duck's Theme
• Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?
• Box Lunch
• Camping Out
• Funny Little Bunnies
• Playful Pluto
• Pluto's Playmate
• Puppy Love

And here's a sampling of the loop for Toontown Fair:


One thing I thought of trying to do was to do a music loop like what was done for Mickey's Birthdayland/Starland. But the stuff that plays here doesn't seem to work well with Mickey Avenue, either. Here's two songs that played in this loop: "Mickey Mouse Club March" and "It's a Small World After All". And here's a video (with only "Mickey Mouse Club March" clearly audible to my ears):


I was told that loop used for the Disneyland main entrance from 1971-1992, that Jack Wagner created, was used for Mickey's Birthdayland, then later on the Toontown loop was used. I then thought of maybe using some music from Mickey's of Hollywood, but again, I was stumped because of what it had. Once more, listen:


None of the music heard here would work, either. We need to come up with some ideas. But what?

 

[Coolneal]

Not sure this is what your looking for!

I would create a land like the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.

Build the clubhouse with interactive touch walls and every 30mins have Toodles fly through and create a kind of where's Waldo type event. It would also house the M&G area. Have a Up-slide (a slide with a conveyor built) to lead to a upper deck with a telescope that you could see a full 360 of Disney. To get down .. Down slide to exit.

Dark ride that takes you through scenes from classics to current .. You could see the evaluation of the gang. During the ride as you change scenes there will be a video screen that draws you into the action like how the Disney cruise restaurant Animator Palate walls are done.

Mickey Park - a play area for the tots

Clarabells Moo Mart- gift shop

Donald's mad house - the cartoon comes alive. Walls change colors, water sprays from floor and ceiling, air blasts to the face the floor moves in circular motion. While all this is going on u hear Donald doing his typical tantrum.

That's all I got right now .. (Posted in old thread.. Copied over here)

 

[mharrington]

First of all, no, that is not what I'm going for at all. Second of all, I'm not sure how this show fits into the Studios, and third of all, I think I've heard rumors that this show may soon be ending its run.

Anyway, how can we do the background music loop here? That music from Toontown Fair (in post #27) doesn't seem to fit in at all. Any ideas?

 

[Coolneal]

Aww nuts.. Back to lurking

 

[mharrington]

Also, the only names I can think of for this land besides Mickey Avenue are either "Mickeywood" or "Disneywood", both of which sound pretty stupid.

 

[mharrington]

I'm also having second thoughts about naming the restaurant the House of Mouse, not only because it's themed to a TV show that isn't on TV anymore and thus may not be recognizable, but also because it would conflict with and contradict, by way of anachronism, with the time period I'm going for, which is in the 1940s. By virtue of that, any Disney characters seen here not seen until after the 1940s would be anachronistic.

And what of the name of the land, either Mickeywood or Disneywood? Don't they sound dumb?

 

[Coolneal]

You could call the restaurant "Kat's House" after the 1929 "When the cats away" Mickey Short. You could theme it after the home that they take over and have a piano playing. ..

Hopefully I didn't strike out twice. .. :/

 

[mharrington]

You could call the restaurant "Kat's House" after the 1929 "When the cats away" Mickey Short. You could theme it after the home that they take over and have a piano playing. ..

Hopefully I didn't strike out twice. .. :/

That house will not fit in at all with my idea for the land. It's too simple for the Studios. The theme is not going to be an old house, it's going to be a fancy sit-down place. I was originally going to call it House of Mouse after the cartoon show, but I'm not sure now, not only because the show is off the air and there's the concern no one may recognize it, but also because I'm planning on setting this area in the 1940s, at the time of World War II, and the show would not fit at all in the time period represented, mainly because the show included characters from the postwar movies, obviously. So now I'm looking for a new name. And no, I don't want to call it the Ink and Paint Club, either. If you'll recall from "Who Framed Roger Rabbit", no Toons are allowed to patronize here, only humans. Besides, it was located in an alleyway. I was hoping to make a character meet-n-greet restaurant place, and that would go against the idea that only humans are allowed.

 

[MonorailRed]

That house will not fit in at all with my idea for the land. It's too simple for the Studios. The theme is not going to be an old house, it's going to be a fancy sit-down place. I was originally going to call it House of Mouse after the cartoon show, but I'm not sure now, not only because the show is off the air and there's the concern no one may recognize it, but also because I'm planning on setting this area in the 1940s, at the time of World War II, and the show would not fit at all in the time period represented, mainly because the show included characters from the postwar movies, obviously. So now I'm looking for a new name. And no, I don't want to call it the Ink and Paint Club, either. If you'll recall from "Who Framed Roger Rabbit", no Toons are allowed to patronize here, only humans. Besides, it was located in an alleyway. I was hoping to make a character meet-n-greet restaurant place, and that would go against the idea that only humans are allowed.

This may be off, But You could theme it to "The Orphan's Benefit" Cartoon



Another route to take could be something themed to Classic 50's, morph it with another section...

Play Classic 50's Mickey Mouse Club Cartoons, or you could even mix that with something similar to a "Dinner
Show" For the Studios....

 

[mharrington]

This may be off, But You could theme it to "The Orphan's Benefit" Cartoon

What would it be themed to this? Are you referring to the restaurant? If so, what would be the name of the restaurant?

 

[MonorailRed]

What would it be themed to this? Are you referring to the restaurant? If so, what would be the name of the restaurant?

I meant the restaurant... The name could be something along the Line's of The Concert House or something...

 

[mharrington]

I meant the restaurant... The name could be something along the Line's of The Concert House or something...

I forgot to mention something: it would look something like a nightclub or a supper club, like a canteen in the 1940s. I don't think The Concert House makes a good name for that.

 

[mharrington]

I have thought long and hard about this, and it was not an easy decision, but I finally decided to make to redo the Disney Animation attraction and make it part of this new land, and by extension, include some characters in the full-length feature films. However, as per my insistence on the 1940s theme, there will only be "Snow White" and "Pinocchio" (there is also a water thrill ride themed to "Fantasia" here); "Dumbo" is already heavily referenced at Storybook Circus, and by having "Bambi" here would be out of consecutive order. So it will just be "Snow White" and "Pinocchio".

Anyway, the new Disney Animation ride will now be part of the new land. It's based, at least partially, on an idea for a Mickey Mouse-themed ride Ward Kimball proposed for a never-built movie pavilion at Epcot. According to "The Book of Mouse":

Kimball came up with an additional dark ride for the pavilion tentatively called Mickey's Movie Land that would have allowed guests in Omnimover vehicles to glimpse a tongue-in-cheek, behind-the scenes process of the making of a classic Mickey Mouse cartoon.

The new ride is hosted by the characters from "Snow White" and "Pinocchio", and it ends with mock-ups of scenes from both films. However, I have one problem: in adding characters from the features, it would not make much sense to mention "Mickey" in the name of the new land (it was originally to be called Mickey Avenue), and I really can't think of any other name. I will not be using Animation Courtyard, the land from which the Disney Animation attraction is annexed. So what other name can there be? I thought of Mickeywood or Disneywood, but those sound incredibly stupid.

 

[MonorailRed]

I have thought long and hard about this, and it was not an easy decision, but I finally decided to make to redo the Disney Animation attraction and make it part of this new land, and by extension, include some characters in the full-length feature films. However, as per my insistence on the 1940s theme, there will only be "Snow White" and "Pinocchio" (there is also a water thrill ride themed to "Fantasia" here); "Dumbo" is already heavily referenced at Storybook Circus, and by having "Bambi" here would be out of consecutive order. So it will just be "Snow White" and "Pinocchio".

Anyway, the new Disney Animation ride will now be part of the new land. It's based, at least partially, on an idea for a Mickey Mouse-themed ride Ward Kimball proposed for a never-built movie pavilion at Epcot. According to "The Book of Mouse":

Kimball came up with an additional dark ride for the pavilion tentatively called Mickey's Movie Land that would have allowed guests in Omnimover vehicles to glimpse a tongue-in-cheek, behind-the scenes process of the making of a classic Mickey Mouse cartoon.

The new ride is hosted by the characters from "Snow White" and "Pinocchio", and it ends with mock-ups of scenes from both films. However, I have one problem: in adding characters from the features, it would not make much sense to mention "Mickey" in the name of the new land (it was originally to be called Mickey Avenue), and I really can't think of any other name. I will not be using Animation Courtyard, the land from which the Disney Animation attraction is annexed. So what other name can there be? I thought of Mickeywood or Disneywood, but those sound incredibly stupid.

You Could Call it Animation Avenue?

Personally, I like the idea of the ride, but I'd split it up somehow, maybe as a ride close to the land?