a little too pure?

[mkepcotmgmak]

okay - so a while back my parents and i were listening to a group sing - and they harmonized incredibly well. my dad said something to the effect of not liking it, and it sounded like singers in wdw. so i never really thought that much about it, but if you think about it... he's right (or at least i agree with him). it is like disney hires such good singers, and they harmonize so well together, that it isn't good.

it has no depth to it, no soul. think about the singers in the remember the magic parade, or spectro. spectro isn't quite as bad... but... you know. but compare those to the choir in We Go On - a huge difference. We Go On has soul. not like funk r and b soul, but like a SOUL! it has feeling and depth. i like the other singers - but it is like too plain. too good. too much of a good thing can be bad. does anyone else understand what i am saying?

the weh-la singers from tod and ton sound good. the singers from 'adventure' a part of the jammin jungle parade have the same feel - until they sing 'just feel the rythym... " - and then... too pure.

i hope i explained this the way i meant to. have a great day!
josh.

 

[General Grizz]

Are you talking about the Kids of the Kingdom?? AKA Remember the Magic, Wishes, Share a Dream Come True?

They're just there for pure inspiration . . . for fun. I.e. Remember the magic is an upbeat song, so they don't go and overdo it.

Illuminations and Wishes and Spectromagic, however, do deserve these qualities you are looking for. . . and all of them have it. Just listen to the finales.

Other WDW groups, such as Voices of Liberty - THOSE are the best of all. But their purpose is to sing, not to help tell the story. So that shows the difference.

 

[BRER STITCH]

I agree.
That sound can be pretty annoying sometimes, as it is WAY over-produced in the studio during recording.

They kind of sound like the "jingle singers" on the FM radio stations you listen to because it is an entire industry built around producing that "smooth" sound.

I'm with you though....I prefer raw talent for pure emotion, not "enhanced" recorded vocals!


:wave:

 

[JLW11Hi]

I guess it depends which singers you are refering to...the pre-recorded music like in the parades does have a bit of a cheesy quality to it.....but if your talking, like, the Dapper Dans, well, I thnk those guys are awesome

 

[meeko_33785]

Yeah.. sometimes the pre-recorded music can be a tad too schmultzy, especially those Kids of the Kingdom shows. I just got to where I couldn't stand those anymore. I love the Shows they have now, though. They're wonderful. The live performers (Voices, Vybe, Dans, Tarzan Rocks, Lion King) are all wonderful though.

 

[mkepcotmgmak]

i am so glad that others agree with this. i am not referring to the dapper dans or the kingdom kids either - (i have never seen the kingdom kids anyway - but the kids in spectro sound good - it is the adult voices that get on my nerves).

those voices are just too pure - they give the music no soul, it is just way too cheezy!... - it would probably be great if Vybe sang all the pre-recorded songs...haha... - well thanks guys!

 

[The_CEO]

I think it's all canned.

 

[meeko_33785]

Originally posted by mkepcotmgmak
i am so glad that others agree with this. i am not referring to the dapper dans or the kingdom kids either - (i have never seen the kingdom kids anyway - but the kids in spectro sound good - it is the adult voices that get on my nerves).

Ummm.. the Kids of the Kingdom are adults (as confusing as that sounds). They use to do the Castle Shows at MK and mostly lip-synced thier music. They were exactly what you're talking about- a little too cheesy. Here's a site with some pics of the "kids":

http://www.geocities.com/barnum42/castle.htm

 

[disneyisbest]

This is not even worth post a reply to. Other than this that is.:lol:

 

[MicBat]

Originally posted by disneyisbest
This is not even worth post a reply to. Other than this that is.:lol:

Why are you replying, then?

 

[cm1988]

Intonation: a good thing

I'd suggest that singing in tune is always a good thing.

Putting emotion (sometimes manifested as soul) does not preclude or exclude correct intonation. Hopefully, one can always sing in tune.

What many listeners might find objectionable is an overtly-sentimental arrangement. That often results in an 'elevator music' sound. With a capella (non-instrumental) music, certain sentimental, close-harmony arrangements have a barbershop quartet-like sound.

The 'pure' voices are not the problem. The 'cheesiness' is provided entirely (and deliberately) thanks to the arrangements.

I.m.h.o., of course.

 

[Donfan]

Originally posted by The_CEO
I think it's all canned.

Have to disagree with you on some of that. Certainly the parades and shows (Beauty and the Beast, Tarzan Rock, etc.) are, but some are not. The most obvious are the Voices of Liberty at the American Pavilion in Epcot. Also, such groups as the British Invasion and Off Kilter are performing their own music live for very excited audiences.

 

[niteobsrvr]

I think the problem with a lot of the singers, not jsut at Disney but anywhere really where live music is preformed on a regular basis by people just starting their professional careers, is that the performance is too technical and thus lacks feeling. What I mean is the singers concentrate too much on the technical aspects of how to sing and inevitably any emotion that could have been added by the performer is lost as they concentrate on getting every syllable just right. This is often the same thing you see with amateur choirs be it church or high school as they strive for vocal and technical perfection.

Its just like learning anything though. You try real hard at first to get everything just right. Then as time goes by the technical aspects become habit and you begin to loosen up. In the case of singing, you begine to interpret the words of the song into emotion.

 

[niteobsrvr]

Originally posted by Donfan
Have to disagree with you on some of that. Certainly the parades and shows (Beauty and the Beast, Tarzan Rock, etc.) are, but some are not. The most obvious are the Voices of Liberty at the American Pavilion in Epcot. Also, such groups as the British Invasion and Off Kilter are performing their own music live for very excited audiences.

Tarzan Rocks is not canned.

Beauty and the Beast I am not sure about.

The parades are definitely canned for technical reasons.

 

[meeko_33785]

Originally posted by niteobsrvr
Tarzan Rocks is not canned.

Beauty and the Beast I am not sure about.

The parades are definitely canned for technical reasons.

At Tarzan, all the singers are live (except Terk, or course ) and at Beauty and the Beast, Belle and Gaston perform their songs live. All the singers in Lion King at AK are also live, as is Cinderella at the Castle show, Ariel in the Little Mermiad show at MGM, Pocahontas at her show at AK and the performers in Hoop-Dee-Doo and Spirit of Aloha. I know I'm forgetting a few shows that use live singers, but that's all I can think of right now.

 

[Maria]

Could it be that we get very used to watching the same show and listenning to the same songs over and over and over that it looses "it" for us?

I know that happened to me sometimes while I lived there - too much of something can get boring. :animwink:

I do like Voices of Liberty a lot and I am amazed by their harmonic voices even though I´ve seen them a lot of times. :animwink:

 

[disneyisbest]

Just making an observation here.

Maria if that is you in your pic? Then you truly are beautiful.

 

[pepper2028]

sing sounds too pure

If it sounds too good to be true it is..as a music student and as a fan of music in general I can tell you that all the disney music that sounds like the singers voices work well together is because the voices ARE the same person duplicated and put in the same trac. So really what you have is three two people singing but they relay the same voice over and over to make it seem like a choir...the result is it all sounds the same......alittle monotone to me really......I dont know disney seems to like it

 

[Maria]

Yes Jon, it´s me in the picture, thanks.

 

[mkepcotmgmak]

Originally posted by disneyisbest
This is not even worth post a reply to. Other than this that is.:lol:

hmmm. oh well.


anyway - someone put it best as monotone. i think the singing is great - and they have lovely voices... it is just lacking any depth, and has A LOT of cheesiness!

and jon - no - this isn't the most important thread - but just something i observed - not that big of a deal - but thanks for replying anyway.