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A great article. Eisner a changed man?
- Thread starter JAY-ROD
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dopey
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if you believe a corporate stooge like eisner believes what he says -- "we're a silly company" and so forth -- you must be stoned out your mind.
disney was built on the combination of creativity, cutting edge technology and sound business sense. silliness? yeah, sure. but there was always a method to the madness.
it's all pr, messaging and positioning nonsene by eisner.
disney was built on the combination of creativity, cutting edge technology and sound business sense. silliness? yeah, sure. but there was always a method to the madness.
it's all pr, messaging and positioning nonsene by eisner.
Wow, thanks Jay-Rod, this sounds cool.
markymark
Well-Known Member
I agree with JAY-ROD I think Eisner is admitting he has made some mistakes and that he is now looking to try to rectify those mistakes. He is obviously aware of where the problems are, and is hoping to concentrate on them, and let others do the rest. As he says, when Frank Wells was around the way they worked was split, not many people will argue that the two of them worked well as a team. Lets just hope that Eisner and Iger can form an equally strong partnership, if not then perhaps the necessary action will be taken then. I have said it before though, lets not forget what a state the Walt Disney Company was in before Eisner took over, compared to how it is now.
Lets give the guy a chance.
Lets give the guy a chance.
dopey
New Member
sorry, guys. eisner may be creative when it comes to corporate restructuring and financing, but i don't think he's got a clear vision when it comes to animated feature films, theme parks and general silliness, as he likes to say. i don't shout much, but, c'mon, HE'S A FREAKIN' BANKER!!!
disney stock is taking a beating (at $28.50 from 52-week high of $43; a buy opportunity, as they say on the street) because of the sagging economy and rising oil prices curtailing travel combined with eisner's more recent missteps (abc, go.com, dca, pearl harbor, retail stores, studio chief resigning after only 17 months on the job, etc., etc. -- shall i go on?).
so with no defense, he blabbed on and on about silliness and made sweeping statements about the legacy of creativity he's unable to carry forward.
give him a chance? he's been the ceo since 1984!!!!!
ok, ok. i'm being too harsh. you guys are right. let's give eisner just one more decade.
disney stock is taking a beating (at $28.50 from 52-week high of $43; a buy opportunity, as they say on the street) because of the sagging economy and rising oil prices curtailing travel combined with eisner's more recent missteps (abc, go.com, dca, pearl harbor, retail stores, studio chief resigning after only 17 months on the job, etc., etc. -- shall i go on?).
so with no defense, he blabbed on and on about silliness and made sweeping statements about the legacy of creativity he's unable to carry forward.
give him a chance? he's been the ceo since 1984!!!!!
ok, ok. i'm being too harsh. you guys are right. let's give eisner just one more decade.
WDW-Imagineer
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MGM Studios, Animal Kingdom, Grand Floridian, Carribean Beach, Pleasure Island, Typhoon Lagoon, Swan & Dolphin, Yacht & Beack Club, Port Orleans, Splash Mountain, Osprey & Eagle Pines Golf Courses, ToT, Planet Hollywood, Blizzard Beach, WDW Speedway (the real one), WW of Sports, All-Star Resorts, Animal Kingdom Lodge, Pop Century.
Now don't get me wrong, Eisner didn't design these things or come up with the idea for them, but he obviously had something to do with them. Before Eisner was brought onboard, WDW had 3 resorts: Contemporary, Polynesian & Fort Wilderness. He obviously did something right because without Eisner, Disney wouldn't be what it is today.
WDW-Imagineer
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Originally posted by JAY-ROD
dont forgot about RnR
I only listed ToT & Splash Mountain because he talked abou them in his book.
Monorail Lime
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Eisner's not a bad man per se, just overpaid... If you compare him with other CEOs, his ratio of salary to company performance is horrible. Sure, he's done great things for Disney, but I think it's about time for him to step down and give someone else a chance at the helm. Fresh ideas are critical in this field.
If you compare him with other CEOs, his ratio of salary to company performance is horrible. Sure, he's done great things for Disney, but I think it's about time for him to step down and give someone else a chance at the helm. Fresh ideas are critical in this field.
WDW-Imagineer
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I think his/her's validity has been established...
dopey
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wdw-i, all i can say is "wow! color me misguided." eisner actually had the brilliance, the imagination to -- gasp! -- build more hotels at wdw?!!!
wasn't that the purpose of buying half of florida to begin with? to allow continual expansion, especially hotels?
wdw has grown under eisner, but most of the things you listed are just derivative of what was already there or what had proved successful elsewhere.
typhoon lagoon and blizzard beach were built after the success of river country.
pleasure island is tacky -- theme restaurants and retail. (you forgot to mention "disney bucks" were introduced under eisner.) i only go there because my wife makes me.
i won't even get into planet hollywood. (were you joking?)
as for the parks -- disney-mgm studios, animal kingdom and california adventure -- they have all been widely dissed. disney-mgm is my least favorite park because the process of making movies is dreadfully boring. dca's problems are well documented.
as for animal kingdom, i like it a lot. not more than mk or epcot, but i enjoy the more relaxing atmosphere. lots of people don't like ak at all. so i'd have to call this one a toss up.
the sports stuff...who cares? i don't know one person who goes to wdw so they can see the atlanta braves spring training or the harlem globetrotters. most people i know have teeth, so i can't address wdw speedway.
finally, if you're going to give eisner credit for tot and splash mtn. (are you sure splash mtn. was created under eisner? i thought this was introduced at disneyland before anyone knew eisner's name; i defer, however, to your vast knowledge and please correct me if i'm wrong), then you have to give him the blame for the attractions he's screwed up. i'd start to list them, but i have to get back to work.
to sum up, the one original idea to come out of the eisner regime has been animal kingdom. a big zoo. this is the chief criticism of eisner: he doesn't have any original ideas; he just observes what is popular in the market and uses disney resources to duplicate what's popular on a grander scale.
wasn't that the purpose of buying half of florida to begin with? to allow continual expansion, especially hotels?
wdw has grown under eisner, but most of the things you listed are just derivative of what was already there or what had proved successful elsewhere.
typhoon lagoon and blizzard beach were built after the success of river country.
pleasure island is tacky -- theme restaurants and retail. (you forgot to mention "disney bucks" were introduced under eisner.) i only go there because my wife makes me.
i won't even get into planet hollywood. (were you joking?)
as for the parks -- disney-mgm studios, animal kingdom and california adventure -- they have all been widely dissed. disney-mgm is my least favorite park because the process of making movies is dreadfully boring. dca's problems are well documented.
as for animal kingdom, i like it a lot. not more than mk or epcot, but i enjoy the more relaxing atmosphere. lots of people don't like ak at all. so i'd have to call this one a toss up.
the sports stuff...who cares? i don't know one person who goes to wdw so they can see the atlanta braves spring training or the harlem globetrotters. most people i know have teeth, so i can't address wdw speedway.
finally, if you're going to give eisner credit for tot and splash mtn. (are you sure splash mtn. was created under eisner? i thought this was introduced at disneyland before anyone knew eisner's name; i defer, however, to your vast knowledge and please correct me if i'm wrong), then you have to give him the blame for the attractions he's screwed up. i'd start to list them, but i have to get back to work.
to sum up, the one original idea to come out of the eisner regime has been animal kingdom. a big zoo. this is the chief criticism of eisner: he doesn't have any original ideas; he just observes what is popular in the market and uses disney resources to duplicate what's popular on a grander scale.