A few new additions to MK's Fantasyland

mharrington

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However, the realization that they added a Mandarin language to the Tokyo ride made me go back and add a French language track to the France scene, which I believe was once exclusive to Disneyland Paris. All other versions of the ride out there, including in California, Tokyo and Hong Kong will get the French language track as well.
 

mharrington

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I've actually posted this spinning water ride concept of mine on the constrained Imagineer thread, but I need to post here to give you an idea:

I have had several ideas about what to do with the Speedway, at least in part. It mainly involves removing part of it, the northernmost end of the track and repurposing it as part of Fantasyland. I was thinking of doing something with a Mack water thrill ride, based on the new rocking boat technology and theming it to Pinocchio's escape from Monstro the Whale. The rocking boat, in case you don't know, is in this video:


I am, however, a little hesitant to try out anything with this until it gets used someplace else so I can get an idea of how much space the ride concept would take up.

Another idea I've thought of doing a spinning water ride, known as a Twist 'n' Splash, also from Mack. The technology is something like this, from a SpongeBob-themed ride at Blackpool Pleasure Beach in the UK:


The raft with Pinocchio and Geppetto on it would be in the center, with a figure of Monstro at one end (possibly the far end to help block out the contradictory view of Tomorrowland) and Jiminy Cricket in the bottle at the other.

Also, to avoid further contradictions with Tomorrowland, there will also be some rocks at one end. The Fantasyland end will look like rocks on a seashore while the rocks on the Tomorrowland end will resemble moon rocks.

I'm not sure about a name, though. With the rocking boat, it's fairly straightforward: something like "Pinocchio's Escape From Monstro". But what name could be applied to the Twist 'n' Splash? Because somehow I don't think "Escape From Monstro" would really work.

One name I've thought of is "Pinocchio and Geppetto's Rickety Rafts", but what do you think?
 

mharrington

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Well Twist ‘n Splash could be theme to The Little Mermaid if it couldn’t work as a Pinocchio attraction.

There's already a Little Mermaid ride, so it's not going to be themed to that.

My ideas for improving Fantasyland really should fit the constraints of the real world.
 

mharrington

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My ideas are in a state of flux, but in the next little bit, stay tuned for my idea for the addition to Storybook Circus, even though I personally don't think it really fits in Fantasyland. To me, the train station for the area doesn't really scream "fantasy" at all.
 

mharrington

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Introducing (or rather, reintroducing) the big new dark ride at Storybook Circus (whose full name will now be "Carolwood Park Featuring Mickey's Storybook Circus"): Mickey's House of Wonders, on which I have done many threads on the topic. I was initially thinking of going back to Mickey's Fun House again, but I don't want to confuse that with the new show on Disney Junior.

It is basically a realization of the original Mickey's Mad House concept for the once-proposed Dumbo's Circusland at Disneyland, except here it will be themed to more than just black-and-white cartoons, and it won't be a roller coaster, but rather a dark ride in the style of Mr. Toad or Roger Rabbit.

Yes, I know that there's Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway at the Studios (and eventually Disneyland), but this is themed to the classic cartoons and not the Paul Rudish-made shorts. In order to minimize, if not avoid, cannibalizing Runaway Railway, I had tried to remove all concepts that this idea of mine once had, such as a tornado scene.

I had been searching around for information on the original Mickey's Mad House to get some kind of a hook, something to go off of, but information was scant. I even reached out to Mark Eades, a former Imagineer who became a journalist for the OC Register, but that didn't amount to anything either, as he had no idea of the vignettes. So I was pretty much left to do it from scratch. At one point, it was argued that the cartoons vignettes made no sense in a circus setting and it was proposed that I just do a new concept with the characters in the circus. Then I found a video of a funhouse-themed level in "Cuphead", which is based off of old cartoons like those from Max Fleischer and, yes, Disney. The level in question is called Funhouse Frazzle, which, with its randomness, seems to work well enough in a fun house concept:


Incidentally, that wall with the two mouths (which you run into and battle twice) sounds rather like the dwarf Sneezy when he's about to sneeze. But I digress.

The concept is that Mickey is doubling as funhouse proprietor and magician. The story could extend to the Town Square Theater on Main Street, connecting to Storybook Circus by way of the WDW Railroad. I'm trying to somehow bring the magic show and fun house together, at least as an initial plot device, if nothing else. One thing I've proposed, and it seems more like a gimmick than anything else, which could be removed if necessary, was to have it be somewhat interactive.

What do you think?
 

mharrington

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The location for the ride will go in the northwestern end of Storybook Circus, taking over much of Pete's Silly Sideshow, which will have been reduced in size:
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Brer Panther

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Adam Wylie as Peter Pan
Maia Mitchell as Wendy Darling
Corey Burton as Captain Hook and Mr. Darling
Alan Tudyk as Mr. Smee
Wouldn't having Jeff Bennett do Mr. Smee make more sense? Not that I don't think Alan Tudyk would make a good Smee, but Jeff's been the official Smee since 2002.
If you build a dark ride now, I doubt the space of the Fairytale Hall would be sufficient.
It used to have a dark ride in it, so why wouldn't it be sufficient?
Besides, where would you be able to meet princesses if it were demolished?
Maybe they could take out Sir Mickey's or something?
 

mharrington

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Wouldn't having Jeff Bennett do Mr. Smee make more sense? Not that I don't think Alan Tudyk would make a good Smee, but Jeff's been the official Smee since 2002.

I want to keep things moving here and try to focus age-appropriate actors to do the job. I also was somewhat influenced by Professor Knowsmore (voiced by Tudyk) from "Ralph Breaks the Internet", who looks and sounds like the kind of character Bill Thompson would voice. It's also the reason why I went with Wylie (instead of Blayne Weaver) as Peter Pan and Mitchell (instead of Hynden Walch) as Wendy.

It used to have a dark ride in it, so why wouldn't it be sufficient?

Because I think I read somewhere that any new addition would require ample acreage, what with safety and all, more than the relatively tiny space of Fairytale Hall can provide. It would not be good enough to just reconvert the meet-n-greet spot into a dark ride and that's that. It would need more space. You can thank (or blame) OSHA for that. I think that the Snow White ride in California has been grandfathered in.

Maybe they could take out Sir Mickey's or something?

I like the theming of Sir Mickey's. Mind you, I've never been in Fairytale Hall, so I can't really say, but I would think they would want to have as many princesses in there as possible. The space in Sir Mickey's doesn't really have that much space.

I'm sorry, but I'm trying to be realistic with my ideas and not just be pure blue sky (where ideas are all that matter), as a lot of people tend to be here.
 
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mharrington

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Here now is a verbal tour of Mickey's House of Wonders (I'm not sure if it will be the last time, however), to be broken into two parts because it's so huge:

Here is the approximate location of the ride:
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The ride lasts 3-4 minutes, about as long as the Peter Pan ride at the other end of Fantasyland. This will be something akin to Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin.

The entrance looks approximately like the entrance to what would have been Mickey's Madhouse in what would have been Dumbo's Circusland:
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As you enter, you wind through a reduced queue, about half the space of the queue in the image above. The remaining space, along the exit path, will be home to an alternate meet-n-greet space known as the Silly Symphonic Sideshow (replacing Pete's Silly Sideshow), where you can meet with various lesser-known characters like Horace Horsecollar, Clarabelle Cow, Ludwig Von Drake or the Three Little Pigs.

In the queue here, it is shown, via a trunk full of magic show items, that Magician Mickey the Magnificent is a traveling magician who pulls double duty as House of Wonders host by day and performing magician by night, adding a little bit to the area. It is based on the Town Square Theater, where Mickey performs a magic show and traveled by train to Carolwood Park to perform. He has his good friends Donald and Goofy, also circus performers, Donald a seal trainer (The Astounding Duke Donaldo) and Goofy a stuntman (The Great Goofini), on hand.

The House of Wonders, where you board a colorful carriage-car through a zany funhouse-like attraction, where anything can happen. And it just might, apparently, with odd-shaped mirrors, special effects, and much more, to say nothing of Donald and Goofy trying to operate things. Throughout the queue there are a few props and memorabilia from their tours (hinting that Storybook Circus is a traveling circus), as well as the aforementioned magic trunk belonging to Mickey.

The queue winds back and forth on the right side and should be enough to hold a 35-minute wait before spilling out into Storybook Circus (although it may or may not have Lightning Lane available).

You then climb into your ride vehicles for your trip through the House of Wonders. They are themed as the aforementioned carriage-car-things which look like a cross between the non-cage cars of Casey Jr...
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…and the larger motorcars from the updated Mr. Toad's Wild Ride (before it closed in 1998):
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In short, they look like the Mr. Toad cars with the circus-like filigrees from Casey Jr. The cars seat six passengers per seat, and to make up for the loss of the roller coaster element of Mickey's Madhouse, they will actually be a milder version of the EMVs found at Disneyland's Indiana Jones ride and the Animal Kingdom's Dinosaur ride. As such, there will be some jerking, lurching side-to-side motions, so it's going to be a little rough, but not as rough as Dinosaur. Incidentally, there is a moment in the Winnie the Pooh ride that also gets a little jerky as the honey pot vehicles there "bounce" with Tigger, but that's only for one scene, however. Each of the cars are one of three colors, red (for Mickey), blue (for Donald) and green (for Goofy). On the fronts of the cars, they have designs of the characters' heads like the old Mickey's Fun Wheel:
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Also on the cars are some rather strange-looking wands that look like flashlights with a crystal ball on the tips of them. Weird...

As you climb aboard, you hear Mickey providing the typical bilingual safety spiel, and once the lap bars are down, you are on your way.

SCENE 1 – MEET MICKEY AND PALS
Mickey, Donald and Goofy all greet you and then Mickey sends you on your way into the House of Wonders by pulling on a rope attached to a group of steam whistles (themed to "Steamboat Willie") that opens a door to usher you in. Before leaving, Mickey points out some "unknown light" wands that look like flashlights mounted to a crystal ball on your cars, with which to keep things under control in case anything goes wrong. Better safe than sorry, after all. That's what those strange-looking wands are, apparently.

Donald and Goofy, meanwhile, start operating lights and machines to turn everything on. However, Goofy accidentally stumbles into the magic trunk from earlier, including the "unknown light"...
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...which zaps Donald and brings all other objects to life, including a crystal ball, topped by a magic hat, which was strategically placed there to keep things under control. The hat spews out rabbits, birds and playing cards. They all get loose and fly into the room ahead of you. That can't be good.

Fortunately, Mickey senses an opportunity to use those "unknown lights", and advises guests on using them: to aim at any loose rabbits, birds or playing cards in the area and capture them with the lights, which will get sucked back into the crystal, and thus not cause trouble. Meanwhile, they try and get the magic hat back on top of the crystal ball, which seems to work, for now. But the rabbits, birds and cards are still loose and must be returned. And as the ride vehicles enter into darkness, the crystal ball does not seem to want to stay put, as it briefly lights the darkness, while also spilling out a few birds, rabbits or cards here and there...

The spill effect is a shadow on the wall and sound effects, and the scurrying is through projections, also on the wall. Also, the figures of Mickey, Donald and Goofy here may seem familiar to many fans, and that's because the figures themselves are the same figures from the long-gone Mickey Mouse Revue, which was relocated from Florida in 1980 to Tokyo Disneyland for that park's opening in 1983, but has since closed in 2009:
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However, since the Donald figure in particular has since been reused for Epcot's Mexico boat ride, it seems likely that that figure will have to be reused from a mold used to create the original figure, like how the molds used to create the Seven Dwarfs here were reused to create the Dwarfs in the post-1994 Snow White ride (and by extension the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train).

SCENE 2 – MICKEY'S FOLLIES
You enter a barn very much in the style of the one that would have been built for Mickey's Madhouse:
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While a jazzy ragtime player piano plays the theme for the ride, which is the music in "Thru the Mirror" (which I'm told is called "Seagull Shore", created by Frank Churchill for a black-and-white Mickey short "Shanghaied"), Donald directs some seals (two adults and one pup, resembling Salty) to toot some horns to add to the music, as seen in "Mickey's Circus":
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Interestingly, however, the seals themselves resemble more those from "Mickey and the Seal":
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Meanwhile, Goofy is seen adding his own flair with a strange pipe instrument thing of his own making, which is from "The Whoopee Party" (the pipe thing belonged to Horace Horsecollar there):
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Various cows dance ballet (as in "Mickey's Revue") while various ducks dance about and shake their tail feathers, as in "Mickey's Follies". Even Mickey himself tries to add some flair with a clarinet, as in "Blue Rhythm":
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SCENE 3 – JUNGLE RHYTHM
The music of the previous scene spills over into the next room, a jungle-themed room where wild animals, including a lion, a bear and a gorilla, once threatening Mickey and Donald, all suddenly start dancing when they hear the music. From a nearby beach, a whale, resembling that of "The Whalers"...
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...leaps out of the water, with Goofy riding on its back like a cowboy in a rodeo. In fact, he's wearing the same cowboy duds as in one of the posters of his roller coaster nearby, which advertises Goofy as riding a rocket:
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The threat of the bear, lion and gorilla is taken from an old Mickey cartoon called "Jungle Rhythm", in that as in that cartoon, Mickey finds himself menaced by a lion and a bear, only for the music charm the animals and makes them dance:
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The animals themselves more resemble later versions of themselves. The bear looks like that from "The Pointer" and "Donald's Vacation", the lion looks like that from "Pluto At the Zoo" and the gorilla looks like that from "Donald Duck and the Gorilla":
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However, the invasive magic of rabbits, birds and cards (which you are trying to capture with your magic lights) starts to cause some chaos for the jungle scene, with the animals freaking out and becoming threatening again, while the once-frolicking whale lands in the water hard and throws Goofy off with its tail.

SCENE 4 – MIRROR BARREL
Meanwhile, the splashing water caused by the frolicking whale, startles Mickey and Donald and sends them stumbling backward, Donald hitting the lively crystal ball, which has teleported there magically. The crystal ball turns the barrel into a spinning hall of mirrors with distorted reflections all around. Donald gets teleported inside one of the mirrors, a magic one, which has also gone loose from Mickey's magician trunk, along with playing cards, as you go inside as well. As you enter, not just Donald, but Mickey and Goofy, too, have been teleported inside (Goofy having been thrown off the whale by its tail), and they all try and figure out what's going on. Meanwhile, the birds, rabbits and cards appear inside, so keep trying to get them with your "unknown lights"!

That's all for now. I will get to the second half of the ride later. And maybe I will even draw pictures to show you some ideas of what I have in mind, as preexisting screenshots can only accomplish so much.
 

Brer Oswald

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As far as Fantasyland goes, there’s definitely some changes I would like to see. The fair tent facades should be made to look more refined like Disneyland.

I’d love to see more dark rides. PFH could use something. Enchanted Tales With Belle honestly has the space for a decent dark ride. Maybe BatB? But it’s also in proximity to Village Haus, so maybe it could house Pinocchio ride.

I’d love to see a big trackless Alice in Wonderland dark ride and a Mr Toad revival. Where these would go, I’m not sure.
 

mharrington

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Enchanted Tales With Belle honestly has the space for a decent dark ride. Maybe BatB? But it’s also in proximity to Village Haus, so maybe it could house Pinocchio ride.

I think Enchanted Tales With Belle will be back eventually if it hasn't yet.

Anyway, I will now conclude the verbal tour of Mickey's House of Wonders at Storybook Circus...

SCENE 5 – ANIMATED INANIMATE
This is a multi-room scene, all full of references to old cartoons. The first is a giant room full of inanimate objects come to life and everything is giant-sized (Mickey and friends and the guests have shrunken). It is the equivalent of the old "oversized room" from the old Alice ride, which has recently been recreated (go to 0:54):


This room is pays homage to "Thru the Mirror". Around you are a radio (with the "Seagull Shore" song playing on it), a telephone, giant playing cards, dancing gloves, and a spinning globe, while the song from the cartoon continues here. In this case, the cards are giant versions of Mickey's own magic cards (with Mickey's face on the back, similar to Town Square Theater), with Mickey dancing along with them here (albeit confused about what's going on):
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And it doesn't help that he has to watch out for the menacing-looking King of Hearts aiming his sword at him (and you). Meanwhile, King Neptune in the globe pops out to try to attack you (and Donald and Goofy) with his trident:
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Next, find yourself in a "hangarage", with planes on one side and cars on the other. One plane resembles the one from "The Mail Pilot", its propeller spinning wildly, while another (the one from "Plane Crazy") flies through the air:
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As for the cars, they rise and lower quickly on elevating platforms. One car resembles Pete's car from "Mickey's Service Station" and the other resembles Donald's car from "Donald's Tire Trouble", flats and all:
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On the walls are various car and plane parts and tools, including tires and propellers, which spin crazily. Also of note are some license plates hanging on the walls, twelve in all. They are derivative of the license plates in the queue for Roger Rabbit at Disneyland, whose jumbles of letters and numbers form the meanings of various Disney things, such as "CAP 10 HK", "L MERM8" and "101 DLMN", among others.

Finally, there is a pool of water (with fish from the Tank of Terror inside):
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It forms into a huge wave that Goofy tries to surf, as in "Hawaiian Holiday", even wearing the same bathing suit as in that short:
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Alas, things are about to go from bad to worse...

SCENE 6 – PROP WAREHOUSE
Goofy's surfing in the earlier room transitions into this room as he wipes out and crashes into the reappearing crystal ball, which causes magical mayhem, showing that the efforts to contain the magic elements have been in vain. The magical mayhem takes over the prop warehouse as the weasels took over the gag warehouse in the Roger Rabbit ride. The room is full of various circus and magic props (which Mickey had tried to keep separate), such as cream pies, squirting flowers, giant balls, playing cards, rabbits, birds, etc., which all come to life, thanks to the crystal ball. Pies are thrown, flowers squirt at you, and balls roll toward you, all as Mickey, Donald and Goofy try to keep things under control. And then the room dims as the water from the wave hits the crystal ball...

SCENE 7 – MAGICAL MAYHEM
A purple swirl fills the room which resembles this part of the remake of "Castle of Illusion", which is set inside a magic hat:


Mickey, Donald, Goofy and everything else get caught up in the pandemonium of the crystal/hat deal. Circus props and magic props go flying everywhere. In addition, Mickey's emergency magic wand goes flying by, but Mickey grabs it. Meanwhile, Donald grabs yet another prop from the trunk: a flare gun for emergency purposes only, based on the flare gun from the climax of "Magician Mickey":
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He tries to shoot at the crystal ball/hat combo. Mickey calls out to him to be careful with that thing, as he should use the emergency wand on the crystal ball/hat combo to stop everything. Unfortunately, Donald doesn't hear in the chaos, and what's worse, his aim with the gun is off, and the flare blast hits a crate of fireworks instead (labeled for nighttime use only)! The result is an explosion scene, a la Mr. Toad or Roger Rabbit:
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There is a moment of darkness as Mickey, taking a page from his former master Yen Sid, is heard saying an incantation that makes the crystal ball glow brightly and there is the sound of reversion.

SECNE 8 – FAREWELL
Mickey, Donald and Goofy are united again. The whole area has been repaired, thanks to Mickey's wand and crystal ball being used together. Mickey holds both in his hands, and the magic trunk is shut (save for a rabbit and a card peeking out). Mickey thanks everyone for visiting, in spite of any technical difficulties and admits that he maybe shouldn't have put the trunk so close to the House of Wonders. But they are all happy and relieved that nobody was hurt and that you had a great time. What's more, Mickey adds, this was a great opportunity for him to practice his magic act for the circus that night. As you leave, Mickey says that he hopes you had fun today.

SCENE 8.5 – UNLOAD
You reappear near the load area, disembark and head back through the main queue building structure and to the Big Top Souvenirs. However, on the exit path over to the gift shop, there's a meet and greet with circus-themed characters (at the revised Pete's Silly Sideshow).

And that concludes Mickey's House of Wonders at Storybook Circus, which I think should be separated from Fantasyland.

What did you think of my ideas for Fantasyland? Maybe in the near future, I will draw some pictures of the rides, particularly the Mickey ride to give you a better idea of my concepts, because reused images of older media can only accomplish so much. Until then, however, what did you think?
 

mharrington

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Also, to follow up on @Brer Oswald's suggestion of replacing Enchanted Tales With Belle with another ride, I looked up the space on Google Maps, and it looks too narrow for a decent ride space. The best that could be done is maybe a small flat ride of some kind, but that's it, and even that might be a little difficult.

Anyway, here's the tentative list of Fantasyland attractions now (not counting meet-n-greets):

-Casey Jr. Splash 'n' Soak Station
-Cinderella Castle
-Dumbo the Flying Elephant
-The Great Goofini's Barnstormer
-It's a Small World
-Mad Tea Party
-The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
-Mickey's House of Wonders
-Peter Pan's Flight
-Pinocchio and Geppetto's Rickety Rafts
-Prince Charming Regal Carrousel
-Seven Dwarfs Mine Train
-Under the Sea: Journey of the Little Mermaid
-Walt Disney World Railroad

The name "Pinocchio and Geppetto's Rickety Rafts" is the tentative name for the Twist-n-Splash ride structure for the Pinocchio-themed water flat ride from Mack. What do you think of that?
 

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