Basil of Baker Street
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I considered it a musical. I don't think the movie would be the same without the awesome soundtrack.
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News Coco 2 (Pixar - 2029)
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LittleBuford
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If I’m not mistaken, none of the songs is diegetic, which I suppose is why technically it isn’t a musical
McMickeyWorld
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The fact that it's an unnecessary sequel, created only to squeeze out money, makes it seem like it might lose the respect that the first movie had. In a way, it brings back the same concerns that arose when the original was just a rumor. Plus, it doesn’t help that, in recent years, Día de Muertos has become something aesthetic, where much of the weight and diversity with which different cultures in Mexico celebrate it ends up being erased, just to make it look "pretty." In the end, it's something intimate and sacred, and I’m not saying it’s going to be bad, but it's natural to feel discomfort and fear.
Disney Irish
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Honestly this is pretty cynical for a 22 year old about a just announced sequel without any further details. I get this is how you feel but I don't see at this point why this wouldn't be another celebration that honors the culture of the day for the family in which the story is being told, just like the original.
Also why would this "erase" any other cultures outside of the one depicted in the story? Did the first one do that? Those still exist and continue to be celebrated by those cultures outside of the movie. So I don't see how its "erasing" anything. Especially not in the areas where I see it being celebrated every year.
I think this fear while I respect it, is a bit premature.
McMickeyWorld
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I understand that it might seem premature, which is why I’m also referring to what happened back in 2013 when the rumors started about "Disney wanted to copyright Día de Muertos." That situation triggered a visceral reaction. I’m not saying that a movie can directly erase cultures, but it’s more about placing things in a broader context. The celebration continues, of course, but over the years, there’s been a subtle shift where tourism and commercialization have pushed the tradition toward a more standardized version. It’s in the little things — like mixing traditions that people wouldn’t normally combine or encouraging the use of specific decorations instead of the traditional ones.
For example, I’m from a small town in Mexico City, and we celebrate it in a very specific way. But in recent years, there’s been pressure for people to dress a certain way, and cemeteries that used to be decorated in a traditional style are now made to look like a copy of Michoacán. Again, this is more about providing context about what’s happening across the country and how these changes naturally put me on alert.
Tony the Tigger
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Sequels are as old as movies. So is snobbery. There is nothing bad about well-done sequels.
Disney Irish
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Yes, but those rumors ended up not being true and the movie actually honored the tradition and did it in a way that made it more accessible to those outside of it for them to understand and appreciate. In fact I would say one of the core tenets of the movie is to honor traditions rather than to forget them. So given that I would think you'd have less fear that Disney would do something to somehow dishonor the tradition.
In fact I'm not sure if you're aware but Disney at DCA (California Adventure, the second park next to Disneyland) has a yearly celebration that honors the traditions.
Día de los Muertos at Disneyland® Resort
A celebration to remember awaits you at the Disneyland® Resort! For a limited time, guests can join in the cherished tradition of Día de los Muertos with a generous sprinkling of magic. Festive decor and cultural displays set the stage. Combine those with entertainment and food for an immersive...
www.visitanaheim.org
It again honors the tradition by making it more accessible to the masses by using the movie as a starting point to educate about the celebration, but also making it available to those that celebrate it themselves. They are also building a Coco attraction that will not only celebrate the traditions but also expand the story, which I assume will also be part of the sequel.
As for the "erasing" of the culture and traditions, this seems more localized to your region as I don't see that happening in any meaningful way. I would say its up to you and your family to keep the time honored traditions alive rather than to accept the commercialization of what the rest of the town and region is doing. And maybe suggest your neighbors and their families to do the same. But I don't see that as a reason to think that Disney is going to do something negative with your tradition. You tradition is yours, Disney can't do anything to take that away no matter what do they with this sequel.
So anyways I say just wait and see what happens, at least wait for a trailer before you start to be afraid for this sequel. They may surprise you and its actually continuing to enhance the appreciation for the tradition with this sequel.
McMickeyWorld
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I do hope it turns out well, actually. I’d love to see a sequel with Miguel — I’m quite a fan and I even follow fan projects quite often. On the other hand, I wish what’s happening with Día de Muertos in my community was just an isolated case, but unfortunately, it’s not. It’s a broader issue that goes beyond this conversation, so I don’t think this is the right forum to dive into that.Yes, but those rumors ended up not being true and the movie actually honored the tradition and did it in a way that made it more accessible to those outside of it for them to understand and appreciate. In fact I would say one of the core tenets of the movie is to honor traditions rather than to forget them. So given that I would think you'd have less fear that Disney would do something to somehow dishonor the tradition.
In fact I'm not sure if you're aware but Disney at DCA (California Adventure, the second park next to Disneyland) has a yearly celebration that honors the traditions.
Día de los Muertos at Disneyland® Resort
A celebration to remember awaits you at the Disneyland® Resort! For a limited time, guests can join in the cherished tradition of Día de los Muertos with a generous sprinkling of magic. Festive decor and cultural displays set the stage. Combine those with entertainment and food for an immersive...www.visitanaheim.org
It again honors the tradition by making it more accessible to the masses by using the movie as a starting point to educate about the celebration, but also making it available to those that celebrate it themselves. They are also building a Coco attraction that will not only celebrate the traditions but also expand the story, which I assume will also be part of the sequel.
As for the "erasing" of the culture and traditions, this seems more localized to your region as I don't see that happening in any meaningful way. I would say its up to you and your family to keep the time honored traditions alive rather than to accept the commercialization of what the rest of the town and region is doing. And maybe suggest your neighbors and their families to do the same. But I don't see that as a reason to think that Disney is going to do something negative with your tradition. You tradition is yours, Disney can't do anything to take that away no matter what do they with this sequel.
So anyways I say just wait and see what happens, at least wait for a trailer before you start to be afraid for this sequel. They may surprise you and its actually continuing to enhance the appreciation for the tradition with this sequel.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Well like I said its up to you and your family to keep the tradition alive if you feel strongly about it. Get your local community involved and have them make a revival back to the non-commercialized way of celebrating.
I live where there is very rich Hispanic community in California, and they continue to honor the tradition to this day without commercialization. So its not happening here. But again if you feel strongly about it, then maybe reach out to the other communities in your local region (maybe over the internet if you want to reach a larger audience) and get a coalition going to bring back the traditions that you feel are being lost. And I would honestly use the movie as a basis for getting the conversation started, as we don't want to forget the ones we've lost as they need to be remembered in order to remain alive in the Land of the Dead just like in the movie.
Anyways, back to the sequel, maybe we'll get more news about it in the coming months.
Disney Irish
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@McMickeyWorld I sincerely apologize to you if you felt in anyway dismissed or unheard in your worry. That was never my intent and I was honestly just trying to provide my own perspective on the situation. If you feel that I wasn't hearing you in anyway please know that wasn't the case, I heard you, I really did.
If you want to keep discussing this and felt that I somehow wasn't allowing you please come back and continue discussing and I won't interfere. Please don't that feel that anyone, no matter how they respond to you, has any right to prevent you from expressing yourself.
If you want to keep discussing this and felt that I somehow wasn't allowing you please come back and continue discussing and I won't interfere. Please don't that feel that anyone, no matter how they respond to you, has any right to prevent you from expressing yourself.
DisneyWarrior27
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McMickeyWorld
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I appreciate the apology, and I also appreciate the openness to dialogue <3.
Tony the Tigger
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You are taking @Disney Irish to task but some would say
means you have no business defending that culture in the first place.
Tony the Tigger
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Way to get it twisted.I'm straight too but I'd still stick up for you here in our state.
If that makes me the jerk in your eyes, so be it I guess.
Tony the Tigger
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I do not care enough about you or this for all that effort.
I made a two sides of the same coin argument (in which presuming to speak for a culture is seen by some as just as cringe as presuming to tell that culture how to feel) and you threw in another coin.
Gay people can have culture, but are not a culture unto themselves. We represent the same cultures as straight people: Mexican, Italian, etc. So that was the wrong coin to toss.
I’ve made my point. Those who get it, get it. I have no need to convince those who don’t, and certainly no need to spend hours going back and forth.
Good night.
MrPromey
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I wasn't presuming to speak for a culture. Just pushing back at someone who seemed hellbent on convincing a person from a culture that is neither theirs nor mine that their concerns are unwarranted, especially when the original person was citing legitimate examples for those concerns.
For the record, I don't even know what a nebulous "gay culture" would be and I certainly wasn't speaking to that but I don't think I have to be you to understand how messed up it is when someone else with no more understanding of what it's like to be you than I have tries to talk you out of your own perspective or concerns or suggest that the problem might just be you and/or your circle since they don't see the problem you're experiencing.
That may not change your opinion one iota but I wanted to clarify myself.
Speaking of which, thank you for taking the time to explain your statement, even if you really didn't care to.
Whether it matters or not, I appreciate it and I'm sorry if my poorly thought through attempt to re-frame took things to 11 with you.
Anyway, as you can see the two offending parties (of which I was a part) came to an agreement to remove the conversation of reference.
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