SteamboatJoe
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Really no different than the lack of cohesion between certain lands in Magic Kingdom, particularly those adjacent to Tomorrowland.
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Not really. Magic Kingdom is linked to the American Mythos of ideals both local and Romanticized past and future. All linked from Mainstreet USA to really drive the point home at the start and end of day. This is covered quite well since the dawn of study of theme parks, on the plaques in varying degrees of detail from the simple ones on the train station arch, to the dedication by Walt and Marty Sklar.
DHS is no comparison.
SteamboatJoe
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And DHS is romanticized Hollywood and the places the movies made there take us. Instead of generalized places, they are just more specific.
Yes. That is what a large part of it started as with the studio.
What it has become...
But Monstropolis is not that. Andy's Backyard is not that. Galaxy's Edge is not that. It does not really match and there is no transition to the entrance and exit. About half of the park are now animated movie-based lands. Not amalgamations. No comaprison to MK
Only one and a Half Land is that anymore. Sunset Blvd and Hollywood Blvd. They have been butchered. And one was always technically the entrance plaza.
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SteamboatJoe
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They are exactly places the movies take us. I mean if you're saying the whole park isn't themed to LA or a studio backlot anymore, of course, but the evolution of how movies are created (green screens and computers) made that change a necessity. The mystique and glamour of movie making no longer exists and an entire park devoted to the "the old ways of doing things" is way too niche.
Hollywood, Sunset, and Grand Avenue are the roads of Hollywood that take us to places in a way that only Hollywood can. It doesn't have to be your cup of tea or design preference but it doesn't mean the theme doesn't exist.
There is absolutely zero thematic transition in MK between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland (Tea Cups to Speedway and Cosmic Rays) or Main Street and Tomorrowland (Plaza Inn to Tomorrowland Terrace).
TheMaxRebo
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The studios used to be much more about the making of movies and TV - it is now about putting you into the worlds that film and television have created and enabling you to have your own adventures in those worlds. So instead of the making of Star Wars, it is putting you in the world of Star Wars. Instead of about making Toy Story and Pixar movies, it is about putting you in Andy's backyard and how it feels to be a toy there
And Monstropolis will do that too - make you feel like a part of that work and go on adventures like Mike and Sully
The front of the park is still more like the studios, though Sunset Bvld could be putting you in the world of old Hollywood. Really, just Echo lake doesn't fit the rest of the park much
Not saying this is all a good thing or a bad thing, but the change of direction and why it is IP lands vs MK which is lands with an overarching theme and various attractions/multiple IP that fit that theme
And Monstropolis will do that too - make you feel like a part of that work and go on adventures like Mike and Sully
The front of the park is still more like the studios, though Sunset Bvld could be putting you in the world of old Hollywood. Really, just Echo lake doesn't fit the rest of the park much
Not saying this is all a good thing or a bad thing, but the change of direction and why it is IP lands vs MK which is lands with an overarching theme and various attractions/multiple IP that fit that theme
WDWFREAK53
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Let's turn the back of Sunset into a Muppet Studios.
Rock n Rollercoaster starring the Electric Mayhem
Theater behind Tower could house a revised MuppetVision 3D with different in-house effects.
Bring out the Muppet Mobile Labs in the RnR courtyard
Tower of Terror could have Gonzo and Rizzo running the elevators and each floor has a different skit being shot. (Swedish Chef, Pigs in Space, etc.)
(Yes, the Tower of Terror line was sarcasm)
Rock n Rollercoaster starring the Electric Mayhem
Theater behind Tower could house a revised MuppetVision 3D with different in-house effects.
Bring out the Muppet Mobile Labs in the RnR courtyard
Tower of Terror could have Gonzo and Rizzo running the elevators and each floor has a different skit being shot. (Swedish Chef, Pigs in Space, etc.)
(Yes, the Tower of Terror line was sarcasm)
SteamboatJoe
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Well said. They are just different philosophical approaches to the conveyance of theme.
MUPPETVISION 3D’S FUTURE: THE STORY SO FAR
Since there has been a lot of discussion about the closure and hypothetical future of MV*3D as a result of disneys open ended claims, I wanted to make a master post with everything that is currently out there about the future of MV3D, both official word and rumors
OFFICIAL WORD:
DISNEY: "As we move forward with these changes, we are having creative conversations and exploring ways to preserve the film and other parts of the experience for fans to enjoy in the future."
JIM HENSON COMPANY: “As we learn of the show's upcoming closure in its current form at Disney's Hollywood Studios, we look forward to Muppet*Vision 3D's next act."
FAN SITE RUMORS:
TOUGHPIGS: “Our contacts at Disney have told us that they are investigating options to keep the attraction alive in another format. If it’s possible, this may not be the last we see of Muppet*Vision 3D.”
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“The surrounding displays, including the iconic Miss Piggy fountain, will be removed as well, though we have been told that Disney is investigating options for a new location for the statue.”
DISNEY DISH: Jim Hill: “Imagineering is having conversations about bringing back MuppetVision into the Disney Parks in some form” Len Testa: "well, I know what you know so that's all I'll say".
WDWMAGIC: “While the closure of MuppetVision 3D in its current form at Disney's Hollywood Studios is blow for fans, The Jim Henson Company's statement hints at a promising future. The phrase "we look forward to MuppetVision 3D's next act" suggests that this beloved attraction is not gone forever, but rather poised for an evolution—perhaps in a new format, location, or even as part of a digital experience.”
(If you want me to change your quote Steve, just lmk and i will)
Use this as you will. Hope this is helpful
Since there has been a lot of discussion about the closure and hypothetical future of MV*3D as a result of disneys open ended claims, I wanted to make a master post with everything that is currently out there about the future of MV3D, both official word and rumors
OFFICIAL WORD:
DISNEY: "As we move forward with these changes, we are having creative conversations and exploring ways to preserve the film and other parts of the experience for fans to enjoy in the future."
JIM HENSON COMPANY: “As we learn of the show's upcoming closure in its current form at Disney's Hollywood Studios, we look forward to Muppet*Vision 3D's next act."
FAN SITE RUMORS:
TOUGHPIGS: “Our contacts at Disney have told us that they are investigating options to keep the attraction alive in another format. If it’s possible, this may not be the last we see of Muppet*Vision 3D.”
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“The surrounding displays, including the iconic Miss Piggy fountain, will be removed as well, though we have been told that Disney is investigating options for a new location for the statue.”
DISNEY DISH: Jim Hill: “Imagineering is having conversations about bringing back MuppetVision into the Disney Parks in some form” Len Testa: "well, I know what you know so that's all I'll say".
WDWMAGIC: “While the closure of MuppetVision 3D in its current form at Disney's Hollywood Studios is blow for fans, The Jim Henson Company's statement hints at a promising future. The phrase "we look forward to MuppetVision 3D's next act" suggests that this beloved attraction is not gone forever, but rather poised for an evolution—perhaps in a new format, location, or even as part of a digital experience.”
(If you want me to change your quote Steve, just lmk and i will)
Use this as you will. Hope this is helpful
Cmdr_Crimson
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Real question though: has ANYONE actually HEARD about what this preservation could mean? NO personal opinions on what you personally THINK could happen.
Jrb1979
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I don't think it would end up at Sesame Place. They are owned by the SeaWorld parks. I can see it going to Busch Gardens or SeaWorld over Sesame Place
The Leader of the Club
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So, I’ve been thinking about the idea of MuppetVision on Disney+. I think if that happens we need an introduction from The Henson Kids, Frank Oz, or Dave Goelz to explain the significance of this attraction. Putting it on D+ should be done with love and admiration for the attraction’s history instead of just slapping it on there to appease fanboys.
rd805
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I'm pretty sure all of those are actually the same parent company (could be mistaken).
muddyrivers
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I think it also needs to be made available in both 3D and 2D. Because if they just release the 2D footage, that would be a huge disservice to the attraction and its fans. Also, how do you incorporate the interaction with the animatronics in the film?
Cmdr_Crimson
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Yes...Sesame Place, Busch Gardens and Sea World are owned by United Parks and Resorts.
wdw71fan
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The reality is that the film is likely to sit on a shelf in some archive and never be seen again.. They knew the outcry over the closure would be strong, so the prepared "investigating a place for it to go" statement was released.
In 5 years when fans are clamoring for 'where's MUPPETVISION 3D?!?!?!" Disney will likely put out a "With all of our other projects, we don't currently have the resources to give the Muppets the attention they deserve." Fast forward another 10 years, and it'll change to "We've looked into it, and there doesn't seem to be enough fan interest in presenting the film, and it doesn't make economic sense to invest in a new presentation for the foreseeable future"
Translation is that it's lip service.. It ain't coming unless you see a backhoe digging a hole to build it, and even then.. It ain't coming.
In 5 years when fans are clamoring for 'where's MUPPETVISION 3D?!?!?!" Disney will likely put out a "With all of our other projects, we don't currently have the resources to give the Muppets the attention they deserve." Fast forward another 10 years, and it'll change to "We've looked into it, and there doesn't seem to be enough fan interest in presenting the film, and it doesn't make economic sense to invest in a new presentation for the foreseeable future"
Translation is that it's lip service.. It ain't coming unless you see a backhoe digging a hole to build it, and even then.. It ain't coming.
The Leader of the Club
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The thing that I keep coming back to with VR is that only one person would realistically use it at a time. You no longer even have the communal aspect of watching something on tv. I think you’d lose a lot just from not having the audience reacting to MuppetVision around you.
TinkerBelle8878
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I think the only solution would be to bring it to Epcot and put it in the former space of Honey I shrunk the audience. The muppets are themselves the spirit of imagination so where better than to permanently move the Muppet theater, the Piggy statue and everything else from DHS? Maybe with that will come a retheme to Imagination and restoring Figment to his former glory with some tie in to his friends the Muppets.