DoubleSwitchback
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Yeah, it could all be fake 
. But I think it's fun to assume it's not, and try to understand their motivations.
. But I think it's fun to assume it's not, and try to understand their motivations.
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Lightning Lane Premier Pass
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DoubleSwitchback
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Yes, great example.
TheMaxRebo
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It just hard to make any conclusions without knowing how many of these they sell and if/how they adjust that number
Maybe a number of people did see that and decided to buy
Maybe there was only a couple left and one group decided to buy it and that used it up
Maybe they had a ton available but decided to reduce the number to signal that things can sell out
My guess is option 2 - or that today was a day with just a couple left and they decided to call it a sell out to add to that signal that things can sell out on any day so if you are thinking about it, buy ahead
But who knows
Purduevian
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I've mentioned it before, but I'm sure they know the approximate % of LL guests that hit a given attraction in a given hour. I would assume a 20 min LL is unacceptable for anyone paying this kind of money. Peter Pan can only take 800 people an hour, or about 270 people in a 20 min span.
Disney needs to keep the total number of LLPP and LLMP reaching Peter Pan in a given time from creating a 270 person line (this also assumes they are willing to grind standby to a standstill). 270 basically can't all show up at once
Disstevefan1
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When a physical item that needs to be manufactured and stocked and the last of that physical item has been sold and there is actually no more in stock, it’s not a ploy, there are none to physically sell.
LLPP is nothing, vapor, the inventory is controlled by a few keystrokes and poof, it’s either “in stock” or “sold out”.
In Defense of Disney, perhaps they limit LLPPs are to mitigate the LL wait times for the poor folk who just purchased LLMPs or LLSPs. The artificial demand for LLPPs is just a happy side effect
As for the folks on standby let those poor losers wait……. Most are probably APs anyway
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DoubleSwitchback
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We all understand that there's no physical product. That doesn't mean there aren't physical manifestations of how many they sell.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
In Defense of Disney, perhaps they limit LLPPs are to mitigate the LL wait times for the poor folk who just purchased LLMPs or LLSPs. The artificial demand for LLPPs is just a happy side effect
As for the folks on standby let those poor losers wait……. Most are probably APs anyway
DisneyDreamer08
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I just noticed that it’s now on the homepage of the app. That wasn’t always the case, you used to have to use the search feature to find it.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I think Disney has adopted this approach with DCL also, it’s become very common to be placed in a queue when I search for cruises on their website, I’ve noticed it creates a sense of anxiety that I better book now because there’s so many people looking.
We all know Disneys IT is a bit sketchy but if Amazon can handle millions of simultaneous users I find it questionable that the DCL website can’t handle a tiny fraction of that without having to resort to queues.
DoubleSwitchback
Well-Known Member
I admittedly have not booked a DCL cruise, but having worked on similar platforms, the reason for the queue is because of the booking hold, not because of an inability to handle traffic.
That was added just after it became available to all guests, and not just resort.
Vegas Disney Fan
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That’s a possibility, we’ve been cruising on DCL for 4 years and it seems to be something that’s only occurred in the last few months.
Maybe with the addition of the Treasure the added traffic is overwhelming the booking hold system.
RememberWhen
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You cannot.
One ship shouldn’t make that much of a difference. And it seems to be active at random times, like a Tuesday afternoon.
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
They took all character M&G off LL when they went to LLMP (I think we lost animation academy as well, but I think that's it)
Spoonful of Sugar
New Member
CFO Hugh Johnston 2/5: “It’s very much in line with our expectations, but we are moving slowly with that product in order to make it a great experience both for the purchasers of Lightning Lane and for the rest of our guests in the park. So feel great about it. It’s going to build over time, but it’s certainly very much early days.”
I have read speculation from vloggers, etc that since Premier Pass is selling out on "slower" days at WDW, that LLPP may be the only option for skipping the lines in the future. Does the above quote from Johnston seem to hint at this "build over time"?
Thoughts?
I have read speculation from vloggers, etc that since Premier Pass is selling out on "slower" days at WDW, that LLPP may be the only option for skipping the lines in the future. Does the above quote from Johnston seem to hint at this "build over time"?
Thoughts?
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JD80
Premium Member
They will never get rid of LLMP as long as LLPP are it's current prices. That is a revenue loss.
Either than will lower LLPP costs to a point where there is significant conversion from LLMP to LLPP to make up the loss of revenue from removing LLMP or they will just expand LLPP offerings (multiple ride usage, multiple parks etc.)
Essentially they will find whatever combination of LLMP, LLPP, LLSP at whatever price point brings in the most revenue even if that means eliminating one or two of those silos.
Disstevefan1
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I agree, LLMP, LLSP, LLPP is like printing money in the utilidors!
Actually its easer than printing money in the utilidors!