MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Purduevian]

Paris is also a dead end. Actually even more so than WDW.

Whoops, i've never actually been there

Again, being the old house one the hill is not just a question of elevation.

Magic Kingdom is not those parks, it has its own unique design.

Being able to walk past something is not the same as it being a weenie. But also, the context isn’t as you present. Disneyland has a different manor design that intentionally downplays the haunted nature but it was also the last major structure along the path when it was built. Payton Manor has a similar siting with spatial separation, there are not multiple paths leading to it. The same mansion structure was intended for Westernland at Tokyo Disneyland but moved to provide a space for Big Thunder Mountain. Tokyo Disneyland also has what is usually considered the weakest placement.

Ok, so MK is different than any of those parks. Why does MK's HM need to be at a dead end to "work"?

 

[Gusey]

Again, being the old house one the hill is not just a question of elevation.

Magic Kingdom is not those parks, it has its own unique design.

Being able to walk past something is not the same as it being a weenie. But also, the context isn’t as you present. Disneyland has a different manor design that intentionally downplays the haunted nature but it was also the last major structure along the path when it was built. Payton Manor has a similar siting with spatial separation, there are not multiple paths leading to it. The same mansion structure was intended for Westernland at Tokyo Disneyland but moved to provide a space for Big Thunder Mountain. Tokyo Disneyland also has what is usually considered the weakest placement.

If they built extra houses around it on the new path, it would lose its creepiness, but I think having forestry around the HM and on the new path (likely to hide the showbuilding) will be enough to keep its feeling of solitary and creepiness.

 

[Dreamer19]

Yes, I know. Seems he's being deliberately disingenuous.

I think that’s been the whole point of this thread. I’ve heard of heart attacks friendlier than this thread, lol.

 

[Dreamer19]

You raise a great point, but to me, Tiana’s next to Big Thunder is already quite jarring.

Splash may not have been a perfect fit thematically, but visually it was much more on theme for Frontierland than Tiana’s is.

Perhaps the issue wouldn’t be so pronounced if the Tiana’s and Thunder traded places. I think the problem is the “western town” of Frontierland (Diamond Horseshoe/Country Bears/Pecos Bill) is completely separated from Big Thunder by a New Orleans area.

I just get the vibe that Frontierland will be even worse than Adventureland (in terms of a hodgepodge of settings that don’t flow well into each other).

Welcome to Disney. Where theming is a thing of the past.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I think that’s been the whole point of this thread. I’ve heard of heart attacks friendlier than this thread, lol.

The joke is on all of us. Disney will do (the stupid) things they will do, no matter what is said here.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Ok, so MK is different than any of those parks. Why does MK's HM need to be at a dead end to "work"?

It is not about being at a higher elevation or being at a dead-end. Great themed design isn’t just a collection of images and ornamentation, it is storytelling through built space. It’s not just the look of the objects that is important, but how those objects are composed in relation to one another. Why does Town Square feel different than Main Street proper?

Your whole suggestion is built on the incorrect assumption that The Haunted Mansion is supposed to be a weenie drawing people in from different points. It is not. It had a deliberate placement and orientation in relation to Liberty Square and Frontierland that was part of its storytelling. Being a true weenie is a direct contrast to that design intent.

 

[Purduevian]

It is not about being at a higher elevation or being at a dead-end. Great themed design isn’t just a collection of images and ornamentation, it is storytelling through built space. It’s not just the look of the objects that is important, but how those objects are composed in relation to one another. Why does Town Square feel different than Main Street proper?

Your whole suggestion is built on the incorrect assumption that The Haunted Mansion is supposed to be a weenie drawing people in from different points. It is not. It had a deliberate placement and orientation in relation to Liberty Square and Frontierland that was part of its storytelling. Being a true weenie is a direct contrast to that design intent.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

I always thought HM was a weenie drawing you towards it (why else build it up on a hill and visible from far away?) IMHO, the redo of the ROA will make HM a more effective weenie as it will be seen from more places.

I hope it retains its isolated feeling as the old abandoned house far from "downtown" liberty square and nothing in the concept art leads me to believe that won't be the case.

 

[Agent H]

I was reading the new book for Disneylands 70th Anniversary and read this. Per imagineer Marty sklar. “One afternoon in Disneyland a photographer (and I) drove a car behind the scenes to Frontierland to take publicity photos. Walt saw what we were doing and was quite dismayed. “What are you doing with a car here in 1860?” Walt’s point was that we had just destroyed the story.”

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

nothing in the concept art leads me to believe that won't be the case.

Well… nothing in the concept art tells us anything about the area around haunted mansion and how it will change.

I’m cautiously optimistic that the designers of this project are going to understand that they are reshaping a major part of the Magic Kingdom and affecting 3 e tickets with this project.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

I was reading the new book for Disneylands 70th Anniversary and read this. Per imagineer Marty sklar. “One afternoon in Disneyland a photographer (and I) drove a car behind the scenes to Frontierland to take publicity photos. Walt saw what we were doing and was quite dismayed. “What are you doing with a car here in 1860?” Walt’s point was that we had just destroyed the story.”

Was it this car?

 

[MisterPenguin]

I was reading the new book for Disneylands 70th Anniversary and read this. Per imagineer Marty sklar. “One afternoon in Disneyland a photographer (and I) drove a car behind the scenes to Frontierland to take publicity photos. Walt saw what we were doing and was quite dismayed. “What are you doing with a car here in 1860?” Walt’s point was that we had just destroyed the story.”

And that's why all guests had to take off their shoes and put on genuine leather boots to enter Frontierland.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I was reading the new book for Disneylands 70th Anniversary and read this. Per imagineer Marty sklar. “One afternoon in Disneyland a photographer (and I) drove a car behind the scenes to Frontierland to take publicity photos. Walt saw what we were doing and was quite dismayed. “What are you doing with a car here in 1860?” Walt’s point was that we had just destroyed the story.”

That kind of attention to detail died with Walt.

In today's Disney, its all about selling lighting lane.

 

[Agent H]

And that's why all guests had to take off their shoes and put on genuine leather boots to enter Frontierland.

I’ll settle for Davy Crockett branded crocs.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Was it this car?
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Tiana's time frame is sometime after 1927

 

[Joel]

And that's why all guests had to take off their shoes and put on genuine leather boots to enter Frontierland.

I really miss when CMs would resolve arguments between guests by handing them actual, loaded single action revolvers and making them duel. I also really miss my brother, but what did he expect cutting in front of all those people? Moral of the story: either wait in line like everybody else or be a faster draw.

 

[Agent H]

I really miss when CMs would resolve arguments between guests by handing them actual, loaded single action revolvers and making them duel. I also really miss my brother, but what did he expect cutting in front of all those people? Moral of the story: either wait in line like everybody else or be a faster draw.

I’m truly sorry for your loss. Maybe if he’d seen back to the future: part 3 he would have fared a little better.

 

[Bocabear]

Well… nothing in the concept art tells us anything about the area around haunted mansion and how it will change.

I’m cautiously optimistic that the designers of this project are going to understand that they are reshaping a major part of the Magic Kingdom and affecting 3 e tickets with this project.

3 currently running E ticket attracts, plus 2 others... A total of 5 attractions overall will be impacted...(Well 2 of them have just been removed) so it will now be about trying to cobble a storry and sense of placemaking with the remaining pieces.... The Haunted Mansion becomes the abandoned house out by the go-kart track, 1880s Big Thunder Mountain sandwiched between 1920s New Orleans and a current day Go Cart track in a anthropomorphic State park... I guess they could ease the chaos by making everything just past Liberty Square all oart of a New Orleand Riverbend... Country Bears could be Cajun to match the Louisiana setting.... Doesn't really explain the abrupt shift to Monument Valley and further into absolute cartoonland...

 

[Disstevefan1]

The Haunted Mansion becomes the abandoned house out by the go-kart track,

Nominee for the best post of 2025.

 

[Bocabear]

I feel honored.....lol

 

[Purduevian]

Well… nothing in the concept art tells us anything about the area around haunted mansion and how it will change.

I’m cautiously optimistic that the designers of this project are going to understand that they are reshaping a major part of the Magic Kingdom and affecting 3 e tickets with this project.

All this talk of HM... I think it will actually be a more effective weenie..

Should be able to see it from a lot more walking paths including from Big Thunder
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I mean... This concept art seems to indicate that HM will be opposite the miniland main entrance/exit. Meaning the wilderness lodge won't be like right next to the mansion.