MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Disney Analyst]

it will be interesting to see how the mansion looks it will be in the middle of a pathway split now. To the right is fantasyland and to the left is a path to big thunder and Villians.

Perhaps same vibes as Tokyo Disneyland?

 

[mickEblu]

To the right is the HM shop and the brick facade for Colonial Lobster. No real view of Fantasyland.

To the left will be Villains Land, which seems appropriate next to HM.

What might cause thematic dissonance is Piston Peak facing it. We'll see if it's better or worse than a Mississippi Riverboat and Mississippi Riverboat Dock somehow in Colonial Liberty Square.

I heard they made two of those new Haunted Mansion shed shops when they built Disneyland’s. Just plop one in front of Piston Peak and voila… Piston Peak is gone. Problem solved.

 

[Ayla]

What might cause thematic dissonance is Piston Peak facing it. We'll see if it's better or worse than a Mississippi Riverboat and Mississippi Riverboat Dock somehow in Colonial Liberty Square.

It was called the Rivers of America, because that turn represented the Hudson, which also had steamboats.

 

[JD80]

The HM is a tricky aspect because without the river, the orientation of the mansion is unhelpful. Ideally, it should be rotated to face the south so it's a better readable "weanie" during the walk from Liberty Square proper -- the land it belongs to (despite the 18th/19th century time-period incongruity). It's always been a side-glance for spectators, excusable due to its fantastic placement along the "Hudson River" bend (i.e., most appreciable from the now-gone Liberty Belle).

It's obvious the queue needs to be re-located to the north, past the grave yard. It can't be allowed to clog up the new walkways to BTM and Villains Land. Hopefully they fit enough (shaded) queue back there that they can remove the canopy from the front and refashion the front yard as more of a thematic/anticipatory walkway tucked between the house and a berm of trees blocking the sights and sounds of Cars. Ideally, as this walkway passes in parallel with the mansion facade (roughly where the canopy is now), they put a 90-degree right-turn moment directly in front of the house so guests turn to confront the ominous mansion, before turning left to the north to enter the queue.

This "about face" moment would turn lemons into lemonade. While the mansion ideally would be turned to face the long approach from Liberty Square, that's not possible. Instead, by showcasing the mansion's facade in a dramatic close-up reveal, it would sell the placement as intentional, creating dramatic impact right as you enter the queue.

Honestly the HM isn't very prominent from any angle until you get to Memento Mori.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

To the right is the HM shop and the brick facade for Colonial Lobster. No real view of Fantasyland.

To the left will be Villains Land, which seems appropriate next to HM.

What might cause thematic dissonance is Piston Peak facing it. We'll see if it's better or worse than a Mississippi Riverboat and Mississippi Riverboat Dock somehow in Colonial Liberty Square.

Riverboats were a large part of America in the early 19th century. It made perfect sense in Liberty Square.

 

[Bocabear]

I thought you could see HM from most of the riverbend.... it is pretty visible.....

 

[EeyoreFan#24]

According to BlogMickey (sources), overnight the Liberty Belle has been moved from the canal behind BTMR to the service marina.

Well call me surprised. I was pretty convinced the service dock would be the furthest it went.

 

[JD80]

I thought you could see HM from most of the riverbend.... it is pretty visible.....

Generally speaking you can only see the HM here before getting close. Otherwise you're looking through trees/buildings until your looking straight on at it. So in the context of it being a weanie, it's not prevalent as much as you'd think.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Generally speaking you can only see the HM here before getting close. Otherwise you're looking through trees/buildings until your looking straight on at it. So in the context of it being a weanie, it's not prevalent as much as you'd think.

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When I go to Tokyo Disneyland I’ll scope it out. Their version is basically just along walkways.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It was called the Rivers of America, because that turn represented the Hudson, which also had steamboats.

Penguin knows this. We’ve already had this discussion.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Riverboats were a large part of America in the early 19th century. It made perfect sense in Liberty Square.

It made perfect sense for a 19th century boat to be docked in 18th century Liberty Square?

It was called the Rivers of America, because that turn represented the Hudson, which also had steamboats.

The Hudson had sidewheeling boats. The boat in RoA was a rear-wheel Mississippi boat. Twain makes mention of loving "this river," which is obviously meant to be the Mississippi. But at no point do they make mention of being on any other river, American or otherwise. Twain never commanded a Hudson River steamboat.

And again, to all: All of Liberty Square through Frontierland is hand-wavy mix of settled (not the frontier) and unsettled (the frontier) places full of geographical inaccuracies ("The South" = "The Frontier"!!) and anachronisms. The bears that could sing 1950 songs should have been a clue that you ain't gonna find a neat and tidy theme or any sense of historicity since it includes fantasy.

 

[Disstevefan1]

In todays Disney, there is something more important then theming.... Its selling Lighting Lanes.

 

[Ayla]

Penguin knows this. We’ve already had this discussion.

Yes, I know. Seems he's being deliberately disingenuous.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

many of the things that “just work” at Disney - shouldn’t on paper. The Matterhorn, submarines, monorail, etc. being a prime example. That area of the park is just perfect, but a complete thematic mess at the same time.

Theme wise - maybe piston peak will work. We shall see.

 

[chriswacy]

To the right is the HM shop and the brick facade for Colonial Lobster. No real view of Fantasyland.

To the left will be Villains Land, which seems appropriate next to HM.

What might cause thematic dissonance is Piston Peak facing it. We'll see if it's better or worse than a Mississippi Riverboat and Mississippi Riverboat Dock somehow in Colonial Liberty Square.

Cars coming to life and talking don't scare you??

 

[TheMaxRebo]

many of the things that “just work” at Disney - shouldn’t on paper. The Matterhorn, submarines, monorail, etc. being a prime example. That area of the park is just perfect, but a complete thematic mess at the same time.

Theme wise - maybe piston peak will work. We shall see.

Obviously impossible to do but would be interesting to see the internet's reaction if that area of the park was to be proposed/built now

 

[invader]

Just extend Frontierland to HM and retheme it to Phantom Manor

 

[EricsBiscuit]

It made perfect sense for a 19th century boat to be docked in 18th century Liberty Square?




The Hudson had sidewheeling boats. The boat in RoA was a rear-wheel Mississippi boat. Twain makes mention of loving "this river," which is obviously meant to be the Mississippi. But at no point do they make mention of being on any other river, American or otherwise. Twain never commanded a Hudson River steamboat.

And again, to all: All of Liberty Square through Frontierland is hand-wavy mix of settled (not the frontier) and unsettled (the frontier) places full of geographical inaccuracies ("The South" = "The Frontier"!!) and anachronisms. The bears that could sing 1950 songs should have been a clue that you ain't gonna find a neat and tidy theme or any sense of historicity since it includes fantasy.

So what? It’s the Rivers (plural) of America. It combined multiple parts of the park, not just Liberty Square. Obviously, if you’re going to have a hundred years of history play out over a couple hundred yards, there’s gonna be some overlap. The narrator doesn’t have to mention the specific rivers by name. That’s because it’s not meant to be any one of them, but more an amalgamation, a confluence if you will of all of them. It’s true, sternwheelers were not predominant in the northeast, but they did exist. The first one was in 1814 in western PA. You’re missing the boat, literally. They weren’t going for perfect accuracy but rather authenticity. Of the first 7 presidents, all but Washington experienced a steamboat. Steamboats and river travel were essential to the development of this nation and the settlement of the west. The reason you start in Liberty Square and move westward is that is how the pioneers of the 19th century did it too. The steamboat at MK was more of a magical time machine. That’s one of the things that made it so special. The RoA, LS, and Frontierland was the best part of MK. Now it has been ruined.

 

[HMF]

Just extend Frontierland to HM and retheme it to Phantom Manor

No, Phantom Manor fits fine for the park it was designed for and our Mansion is good for what it is designed for. Though for the record I want PLQ gone, The Hatbox Ghost moved to his proper place in the attraction and a lot of the embellishments that were removed back in 07 restored plus the new Hitchhikers from DL.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The Hatbox Ghost moved to his proper place in the attraction

Where was the original original hatbox ghost located? Cause I honestly don’t like his placement in Disneyland much better.