MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

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DisneyHead123

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TrainsOfDisney said:
Is cars land at DCA a money making machine?
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Presumably yes. Looks like Radiator Springs has an ILL option. Also, it’s an entire land with walkable areas, whereas I think the Disney World version will be primarily rides, with probably a store and snack area.

Not trying to be depressing, just realistic. There are versions of this new dynamic I could like. It’s certainly an incentive for Disney to build great new rides.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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TrainsOfDisney said:
I’m against the plan 100% - but this is not Disney being greedy to get LL’s - they are spending some serious money on this project.

The easy and cheap way to get more Money is to make the riverboat and island an upsell. Tianas riverboat ride with some prepackaged cookies (from Tiana’s foods co-op of course!).

TSI becomes an exclusive meet and “interactive” experience complete with a snack at aunt Polly’s.

No investment - extra income. Done.
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Some income - yes.. but you also described labor intensive stuff that isn't high volume and doesn't run continuously all day, every day, virtually on its own.

Getting an attraction that can sell ILL just prints money. Let's do some super crude math. Take something with 1400 Riders per hour.. give 30% to LL.. let's round down for the non-paid in there too.. so let's say 25% of capacity being sold. That's 350 people /hr paying $20 to ride. Assuming just 13hrs of operating a day.. that's 91k a day. That's over 33 million a year for basically no extra cost over running the ride you are doing anyways. A 300 million dollar ride can pay for itself OUTRIGHT in less than 10yrs.. on an attraction you hope will last 20+years. Nevermind all the other revenue streams like merch, etc a ride generates. That kind of 'free money' will make any exec drunk with to repeat that formula.
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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AidenRodriguez731 said:
Source: I made it up.

There are FAR easier ways to make money off LL's than this plan. Now merch + LLs, this will sell a boatload but I still think this is them trying to update Frontierland into a new narrative about exploring the American Wilderness and kinda matching "Fort Wilderness" in a way.
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I was half kidding.

Every move they make will now take into consideration LL.

Getting rid of RoA, TSI, the riverboat, gets rid of a maintenance cost for something that brings in zero LL money.

Forget that beauty, theme, tranquility, this is A Business!

Besides that, Disney wants to erase TSI, Liberty square, HoP, Frontierland eventually anyway.
 
Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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TrainsOfDisney said:
Is cars land at DCA a money making machine?
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Cars Land is the best attraction in DCA.

Even if the revenue from the shops and eateries in that land don't make a ton of money on their own, the existence of the land is probably a large driver in park attendance, which is important in and of itself.

I think people are taking the success of Cars Land and extrapolating what it did to DCA to believe any Cars attraction or land would be an equal success at another Disney park. We know that's not the case with the two Cars rides at Disney Studios Paris, but even if the two at Magic Kingdom are not as bad, Magic Kingdom is already the most visited theme park in the world and this Cars addition won't have as large a focus on retail/dining.

It comes down to the belief that new rides sell LL and merch. I think that varies based on what's ultimately built.

Cosmic Rewind benefits from being the only coaster in that park, Tron the most intense in MK.

This Cars ride may be the breakout family hit that Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is, or maybe it won't. That's the risk they're taking.
 
WaltWiz1901

WaltWiz1901

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Brer Panther said:
Pandora only has two rides, Toy Story Land has three but one of them was already there, New Fantasyland only added two actual attractions (three if you consider Enchanted Tales With Belle an attraction, though it's basically just an updated version of the Storytime With Belle thing they already had in Fantasyland)... are they just cheaper than we thought or do they think two new attractions is enough?
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moreso what I bolded. the "7.3 attractions per guest per day" model that shaped opening-day Walt Disney Studios and Hong Kong Disneyland apparently hasn't died, and the many, many systems/services/whatever that NextGen/MyMagic+ spawned have only exacerbated the problems with using said model as a guide for adding/"adding" new attractions

it has nothing to do with being cheap - this is the same company whose waste and ridiculously layered bureaucracy (or is it Imagineering's specifically?) bounce between doing a simple reskin/overhaul for relatively cheap and building grandiosely phoned-in misfires for millions if not billions
 
Bocabear

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Carsland at DCA works so well because it is a fully realized immersive themed land....to a location we all know from the Cars movie...it is also full of eye candy and clever nods to the film, gorgously done with an amazing big attraction and a couple smaller...with many shops and QS options. I do not know the location for this new Cars attraction, it was not in a Cars movie, there has been talk of a second attraction, but nothing for sure... Villainsland we know even less about...but we do know we will have a gigantic mess in a large quadrant of the park that will drag on for literally years and years...
 
Raineman

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Bocabear said:
Carsland at DCA works so well because it is a fully realized immersive themed land....to a location we all know from the Cars movie...it is also full of eye candy and clever nods to the film, gorgously done with an amazing big attraction and a couple smaller...with many shops and QS options. I do not know the location for this new Cars attraction, it was not in a Cars movie, there has been talk of a second attraction, but nothing for sure... Villainsland we know even less about...but we do know we will have a gigantic mess in a large quadrant of the park that will drag on for literally years and years...
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And, it won't even just be the visual mess of construction walls-the sounds of construction will add to the mess. Instead of hearing the whistle on the riverboat or hearing "Maaark Twaaaain", we'll get to hear the magical sounds of construction equipment and power tools. The sound element of theming in Frontierland/Liberty Square may be just as important, if not more important, to that part of the park than anywhere else.
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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Casper Gutman said:
You know that part in the old Roadrunner cartoons where the Coyote had run off the cliff but hasn’t looked down yet?
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Iger is a SUUUUUUPER GEEEENIUS
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thomas998

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flynnibus said:
Some income - yes.. but you also described labor intensive stuff that isn't high volume and doesn't run continuously all day, every day, virtually on its own.

Getting an attraction that can sell ILL just prints money. Let's do some super crude math. Take something with 1400 Riders per hour.. give 30% to LL.. let's round down for the non-paid in there too.. so let's say 25% of capacity being sold. That's 350 people /hr paying $20 to ride. Assuming just 13hrs of operating a day.. that's 91k a day. That's over 33 million a year for basically no extra cost over running the ride you are doing anyways. A 300 million dollar ride can pay for itself OUTRIGHT in less than 10yrs.. on an attraction you hope will last 20+years. Nevermind all the other revenue streams like merch, etc a ride generates. That kind of 'free money' will make any exec drunk with to repeat that formula.
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Well... if it is anything like the Radiator Springs at DL they better find a way to keep the crowds of people that pay to ride it and don't get to happy, because I remember quite well the first years of the ride at DL... It was craptastic at best. some days the downtime was as great as the operating time.... I still have nightmares of the 90 minute line that took nearly 5 hours to get through... ride would run for 1 or 2 cars, then shut down for 5 or 10 minutes... If they have those same teething pains it will create way more bad will than anything else. No one likes to pay for something only to find it isn't available.
 
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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AidenRodriguez731 said:
To me, especially with this. It's more about exploring the different regions/biomes of Western American (by Western I do mean specifically past the original 13 colonies. Everything currently announced fits into that descriptions as we are exploring a little town in Tennesse (Frontierland shops/CBMJ), then moving out into the Bayous of Louisiana, Crossing the deserty expanse of Arizona before finally turning to explore the Redwood Forests/Geyser state parks of California/West Coast. If we are a SLIGHTLY generous with BTM's timing, you can even line up the dates of each attraction slowly increasing. CBMJ explitcly takes place in the early 1900s, Tiana's in around 1920-1930s, Big Thunder can actually take place at any time after the 1900s seemingly since the town is already abandoned and the founder of the Mining Company is seemingly long dead anyway, and then Cars can take place obviously more towards the present.
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The Country Bears have to be 1928 at the earliest, as 1928 is when Ursus H. Bear died, and sometime after then, his grandson Henry took over the role of master of ceremonies. CBJ was meant to emulate the vaudeville of Marc Davis’s youth, so I’d say it’s no later than the 30s, even if a good chunk of the songs are from the 60s. If Tiana’s is in the 30s the timeline still works!
 

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