MK All-New Nighttime Parade Disney Starlight Set to Debut at Magic Kingdom in 2025

TTA94

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From being on ground, the Baroque Hoedown music at the beginning and the end really got people excited, definitely more so than any other segment.

I would’ve leaned into that music over other source material and also added lyrics at least at the beginning and the end. Even if they didn’t want to go full on party like Paint the Night, part of what makes that parade so fun and repeatable is being able to sing along to it.

I agree. I prefer PTNs intro though. Starlight definitely needs lyrics. Not sure if that was ever a plan and even if it was it’s probably unlikely to happen now unless its added as a post show or something similar to Nightfall Glow in Tokyo.
 

Jedi14

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Story: What story? It's just a constant parade of characters without even an attempt at one and only a vague overarching theme that just does not work beyond the most surface level of grasps. Mentioning something about stars does not count as anything other than a theme, and a light one at that. There are times when this works, MSEP doesn't really have a theme and it works well, arguably iconically so. But when you try and have a theme or even a story, and cannot back it up, I get very annoyed. If you want me to feel something, to understand your theme, give me a reason to do so beyond just telling me about it. Basic storytelling. Christmas parade? We get we're celebrating Christmas. Halloween parade the same thing. Even FoF has a relatively strong and cohesive theme because it all connects back to the parade's title. This parade has no way to connect the two beyond telling us about stars. It doesn't work. 0/10.
Blue Fairy: “Come with me, on a magical journey kissed by starlight.”

I feel like this is enough for people to get the premise. I don’t know what you were expecting.
 

brb1006

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And the build or design just seems messy.

Why isn’t this a single pane of glass? The seam ruins the illusion completely (if the illusion even works at all):

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I'm also annoyed that Pinocchio and Geppetto only show up for a couple of seconds. Since their only visible for a short amount of time, they don't get a chance to wave or interact with guests. Their to busy dancing over Pinocchio becoming a real boy which loops for the entire parade. At least add more dialogue giving a reason for Pinocchio and Geppetto to acknowledge guests.
 

brb1006

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Blue Fairy: “Come with me, on a magical journey kissed by starlight.”

I feel like this is enough for people to get the premise. I don’t know what you were expecting.
Fantillusion does a better job at selling a parade's plot and premise than Starlight. It's a simple story of Good vs Evil and loosely inspired by Fantasmic.
 

Sir_Cliff

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Coco was a nice standout. (100pts to anyone who can guess why)

Blue Fairy Pinocchio float is just terrible. Laughably so. Odd concept made worse with poor execution. Whimsy as expected was a nothingburger but the overall float design was nice.

Still... THIS isn't a good parade. Would rather Paint the Night or Electrical. Once the pixie dust settles... I hope people (and Disney especially) realize how bad this is.

Sorry, Disney. But it kind of sucks. Back to the drawing board. There's not much worth saving here.
Must say that this kind of reaction puzzles me more than a positive one. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think this kind of reaction suits something like Light Magic more than Starlight, which is less definitely excellent or terrible.

My general feeling is positive on the floats themselves. I am not that interested in character spotting, so maybe I am less bothered that there aren't more of them than are others. I would echo what a lot of people have mentioned, though, regarding the real weak point of the parade being that there is very little between the big floats themselves and what is there is pretty underwhelming for the most part. It strikes me that this is most notable before the Coco float which is itself so colourful and lends itself to a splashy performance of mariachis, skeletons, or mariachi skeletons and, instead, there is nothing.

What I like the most is the tone. I am also pretty positive on Paint the Night, but I appreciate it when Disney can put together something like this which is less bombastic and more atmospheric. The music and tone of the dialogue is nicely calm and dreamlike, which I think suits the park and a nighttime parade.
 

IMDREW

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I've been thinking and a reorder of the floats would make the parade flow better and somehow feel longer imo.

- Start with the logo float
- Followed by the blue fairy, opening the way to the stars.
- Then have the big train float, making the other floats follow as if the starlight train pulls them along.
- Wish
- Encanto
- Frozen
- Princesses
- Coco
- Then a one-two punch of the best floats with Moana first.
- And end with Peter and Wendy (flying) and add a light rope behind.

Put in some extra street dancers and characters here and there and a villains float between frozen and the princesses when the time comes and we've got a winner.
 

Brenthodge

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I've been thinking and a reorder of the floats would make the parade flow better and somehow feel longer imo.

- Start with the logo float
- Followed by the blue fairy, opening the way to the stars.
- Then have the big train float, making the other floats follow as if the starlight train pulls them along.
- Wish
- Encanto
- Frozen
- Princesses
- Coco
- Then a one-two punch of the best floats with Moana first.
- And end with Peter and Wendy (flying) and add a light rope behind.

Put in some extra street dancers and characters here and there and a villains float between frozen and the princesses when the time comes and we've got a winner.
I’d suggest logo, Fairy, Wish. Then Peter/Wendy after Wish, then Frozen, so the fractal people could count for both PeterPan and Frozen. Ballroom dancers lead Princes after, so all the predominately blue units are together, then have the princess float with the different colors for each princess be the transition to more color. Then butterfly lead Encanto next to CoCo to share colorful, skirt twirling, brighter dancers (move one of the sets of ballroom dancers here) between them. Moana, then keep finale with more street level characters added. The music would still build to that finale.
 

TheMaxRebo

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Blue Fairy: “Come with me, on a magical journey kissed by starlight.”

I feel like this is enough for people to get the premise. I don’t know what you were expecting.

I don't think I have ever though about a parade having, or needing, a story beyond the overall theme ... It's a collection of floats and characters that, hopefully, provide an enjoyable time.
 

docnabox

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Okay, so now that I've seen it, and somehow managed to also see HEA on the monorail for the first time while leaving... I'm here to give a bit of a review, from the guise of someone who has a bit more knowledge of Disney entertainment than the average Disney fan. Including but not limited to my actual studies, writings, research on the subject st University, and my discussions previously with designers and producers and executives who have dealt with or worked on many parades in the past. Not bragging or anything, just showing my receipts as some say.

Music: It's pretty good. Could have used lyrics, or something, and a group mate of mine commented it "sounds like the stars they're talking about are being waterboarded", but I didn't mind it that much. At least they didn't use popular songs from those newer films. By far the best part of the show and that is saying something. Thank God. 7/10.

Character representation: For the characters that got their own floats, honestly I'm not that happy. With the exception of the Blue Fairy float they were all newer "more commercially viable" in some poor analyst's words, characters. No real classic character core, and honestly it just did not feel right. You only get Mickey and Friends at the end because it's expected they show up. I'm sure if Bob wanted to, he much would have rather put in Elio. Frozen also felt like an afterthought, and really missed Olaf in particular. The lack of secondary characters, the lack of representation of a huge chunk of Disney history that's even represented in MK, and effectively how this feels like an advertisement for seeing a bunch of films on Disney+ with bare minimum appearances from the characters everyone really expects, it makes me wonder how much representation was ordered from the top down rather than because it made sense in a parade. If you want to pull a Eisner, have the decency to do it during the day where investment is less and things can be swapped out easier. 4/10.

Floats: split into two categories worth five points each, because design and the choice of what got a float each deserve in depth discussion.

Choices: Yes we did get a princess float, and the train, but neither of these really suffice and all of them could have had their own separate floats. Not giving Mickey and Minnie a float by themselves is a little ridiculous, and even the other friends arguably could have had a float or to it themselves. There is no question they should have given the princesses each their own float if Moana got one... Yes I know Moana is popular now but there is no reason why we didn't see Cinderella's carriage covered in lights going down that parade route (Yes I know it's been done before but we deserve it again). I cannot comment on how accurate the film specific floats are to their films because I've never seen them outside of adverts (and a ton of music for Frozen against my will), but they are very strange choices for what is supposed to be an evergreen product, especially one where it is unlikely they will change anytime soon. I'm sure none of us want Wish in a decade, but I refuse to rule out putting one of the other floats on the swap list instead, at least personally. They are just popular films now. I'm sure we can all name other films from other decades that could have gotten floats because they are popular when a parade came out that probably shouldn't have in the long term... when you have decades of animated and live action film to pull from, not even pulling from your classic films or lesser known stuff but pulling from the newest and brightest is a gigantic risk. Unlike say putting Little Mermaid in Spectro, I don't know if perhaps besides Frozen, any of the other properties with single floats will last as long and be as popular long term to really deserve one. There were many more choices they could have chosen that would have worked better. No smaller floats, or even additional floats representing other films. They have the money to do this right, they just chose not to. If you proclaim you have $60 billion to spend over 10 years in the parks, take a portion of whatever portion that is meant for Orlando and give it to this parade just to make it equivalent to parades from 20 years ago. Never mind today, parades from when Chicken Little was in theaters. DLE knows how to design parades, that is not questioned. I can question a lot of things about how DLE operates but I cannot question that they have people who know how to design parades because they have designed parades that are actually good for other parks, including night time parades. To put that few floats out, with barely anything but the bare minimum to accompany them, is honestly questionable at best. Seriously? Nine floats is not a nighttime parade worth celebrating, but an expanded nighttime cavalcade that just happened to have an expanded production value. You can do better but choose not to, and that makes me very disappointed. 1/5.

Design: With only a few exceptions, these floats were boring. They did not (minus Blue Fairy) follow the seemingly standard practice of having two different things minimum going on in one float, usually front and back (compilation floats excluded). It does feel like they were designed on the budget because I could clearly see the mesh used to hold up the lights, Even if unintentionally a reference to previous parades did make me smile a bit. The non-compilation floats felt sparse, particularly the Frozen float, but Pan's and the others did suffer from this as well. The lights looked nice but the overall blue feeling of much of the time just felt off especially because it just didn't work with the characters or the surroundings. Maybe it plays better on Main Street but in Liberty Square it just looked a little too blue and white, drowning out everything. When there was colour it looked really good, but there wasn't enough color enough of the time to be able to say that definitively. The Blue Fairy's float was the one I thought looked the best, and arguably the standout float of the whole parade. The ending float was rather pitiful and I honestly question why it was there because it's just way too small and out of scale with the rest of the show. 2/5.

Parade Design: It runs far too fast, probably because there's simply not enough in between to satisfy anyone, even someone with the average attention span of a Vine (I have a feeling some of you may be too young to get that reference). There is no chance to savor, to understand what's going on, because you get a chance to see the floats, as inconsistent as they are, and nothing else as they relatively fly on past. I don't know what those things in the middle are supposed to be in most cases, as most of them seem to be weird dancers with poles on their backs. The actual dancers are fine enough, but you can barely see them. As I mentioned previously, where are the secondary characters? Why is Tink the only character that doesn't have a float, especially when they are not flying Peter and Wendy? Who made the decision to put only one character walking around on the ground, and otherwise have random dancers and whatever those people with poles on their backs are. If you can even see any of them that is, because they aren't even very well illuminated. All you see are the primary characters on their floats and a bunch of people with random lights on them (if you can even see that), plus Tink. It all comes together well enough if you have never seen another Disney nighttime parade in your life, and never plan to do so. It is better than nothing, but nowhere near what Disney is capable of. Despite that, I enjoyed it enough to say it's not terrible. 6/10.

Story: What story? It's just a constant parade of characters without even an attempt at one and only a vague overarching theme that just does not work beyond the most surface level of grasps. Mentioning something about stars does not count as anything other than a theme, and a light one at that. There are times when this works, MSEP doesn't really have a theme and it works well, arguably iconically so. But when you try and have a theme or even a story, and cannot back it up, I get very annoyed. If you want me to feel something, to understand your theme, give me a reason to do so beyond just telling me about it. Basic storytelling. Christmas parade? We get we're celebrating Christmas. Halloween parade the same thing. Even FoF has a relatively strong and cohesive theme because it all connects back to the parade's title. This parade has no way to connect the two beyond telling us about stars. It doesn't work. 0/10.

A grand total of 20/50 - 40%. I've rated shows lower, and I may have been a little harsh. Granted this was not a review written in isolation, but one understanding the parades that we have elsewhere in the past and present. If this was the first parade to come after MSEP (anachronisms be darned), I would have probably giving it closer to a 60 or a 70 simply because it technically improved, but we have decades of nighttime parades across multiple continents to compare it to, and it would do a disservice to the people who developed those parades for me to be anything other than brutally honest that this parade is somewhere between okay and not up to snuff for what Disney can do. It depends on how much you love particular new franchises, and how much you know about what came before and what exists elsewhere. I will admit that I smiled throughout quite a bit of this parade simply because we had a nighttime parade at MK again. But it is a disjointed mess that is far too short and could use a dozen new floats and a few dozen other characters to get things close to where we had it 20 years ago.

Side note, at least it tonight's performance at 9, our Elsa looked more like Marilyn Monroe than the character she was supposed to be. Doesn't have any bearing on my ranking but I thought it was funny.
Good review and valid points. I have said elsewhere that this feels more like a procession and not a parade.
 

FutureCEO

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Fantillusion does a better job at selling a parade's plot and premise than Starlight. It's a simple story of Good vs Evil and loosely inspired by Fantasmic.

I just watched Fantillusion on Youtube. It was really good. Long, had good music, performers everywhere. It reminded me of Spectro without the music.

Then, I watched Dreamlights which is like 10 levels above Orlando. I like villian sequence in parades but you can't have everything. Where they are actually villians and not misunderstood.
 
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Supernova

Member
Sadly those are the ballroom dancers. All that detail they went on and on about with "custom printed fabric with the swirl pattern" and hand applied crystals is all wasted on dark navy outfits in the dark. Why did they even bother?
After checking more footage on YouTube there is definitely a different variation missing. The ballroom dancers all appear in navy.

The outfit I’m referring to is royal with stars and a silver cross over on it, and a pale blue shirt underneath. I’ve checked and none of the outfits in the parade have this.

My guess is these performers in this outfit should have been before the train.
 

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GhostHost1000

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I just watched Fantillusion on Youtube. It was really good. Long, had good music, performers everywhere. It reminded me of Spectro without the music.

Then, I watched Dreamlights which is like 10 levels above Orlando. I like villian sequence in parades but you can't have everything. Where they are actually villians and not misunderstood.
That’s what is so frustrating at times with the way they are handling their Orlando park, the one with the most visitors. We know what they are capable of from what we see overseas, but it’s like they just don’t care as much here anymore knowing people are still going to come and spend enormous amounts of money
 

TheMaxRebo

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That’s what is so frustrating at times with the way they are handling their Orlando park, the one with the most visitors. We know what they are capable of from what we see overseas, but it’s like they just don’t care as much here anymore knowing people are still going to come and spend enormous amounts of money

Definitely feels like part of it - though some might also be different guest desires and expectations..

For example, I have seen people comment that they like that Starlight is shorter than past/other parades
 

jpeden

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In the Parks
No
If you remember Ron Logan (who used to lead Disney Live Entertainment when it was its own thing and wasn't just dumped into Park Ops) - he had a bare minimum of performers that he would agree to put in a parade. Just to understand how Disney used to think this was important, Ron's minimum number for a daytime parade?

125

Let that sink in.

That's the mind that gave us Fantasmic, SpectroMagic, IllumiNations: Relflections of Earth, Tapestry of Nations, Sorcery in the Sky, Fantillusion (the TDL version), Tokyo Disney Electrical Parade, and a score of other entertainment options. The gold standard will never be beaten with the management team in 2025, and it's a shame.
 

Ayla

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If you remember Ron Logan (who used to lead Disney Live Entertainment when it was its own thing and wasn't just dumped into Park Ops) - he had a bare minimum of performers that he would agree to put in a parade. Just to understand how Disney used to think this was important, Ron's minimum number for a daytime parade?

125

Let that sink in.

That's the mind that gave us Fantasmic, SpectroMagic, IllumiNations: Relflections of Earth, Tapestry of Nations, Sorcery in the Sky, Fantillusion (the TDL version), Tokyo Disney Electrical Parade, and a score of other entertainment options. The gold standard will never be beaten with the management team in 2025, and it's a shame.
This current parade has 20? Maybe? What a travesty.
 

jpeden

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
This current parade has 20? Maybe? What a travesty.

I believe Ron's number for a nighttime parade was less, mainly because with the darkness you don't have to fill the voids you can naturally see in the parade (along with the fact that if you look at what he produced for nighttime parades those were 25-40 float parades in MSEP, SpectroMagic, and Fantillusion) but still, imagine this with 10-15 more floats and 75 performers? It would be fantastic.

Part of me almost feels like this was forced upon WDW Management and they said "okay we'll do it but what's the absolute cheapest way we can do it?" It's pretty well documented that Park Ops fought this decision tooth and nail and it was forced upon them by Burbank (if I remember the discussion correctly) so for them to end up with this as the final product it shouldn't surprise anyone. We booked a trip specifically to see this and frankly, I'm somewhat regretting that at this point.
 

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