News New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[Chi84]

How so?

If they want to cap DAS to only 1 ride, and DAS is the accommodation for queue access, then to me, they’d need to also cap standby. Otherwise you are telling only disabled people that they cannot ride something more than once, whereas a non disabled person could.

I’m still not following. DAS is an accommodation that has to be reasonable not only in terms of being needed by the disabled person but also in terms of what a business can provide.
If Disney limited DAS (which is its own voluntary program) in the way described it would not be preventing a disabled person from accessing the ride; it would be providing an accommodation that is reasonable in light of its business model.

 

[JAN J]

I apologize but I absolutely don't understand what you mean.

The first part is true for all accomodations (based on previous discussions in this thread, it's also the law: a business does not have to significantly impact its operations to provide an accomodation).

As for the second part... I don't understand your point. Why are you saying Disney would not cap DAS to one use? The other person that replied to you had the same opinion as me but I don't understand your answer.

PS: English is not my first language

 

[Figgy1]

I apologize but I absolutely don't understand what you mean.

The first part is true for all accomodations (based on previous discussions in this thread, it's also the law: a business does not have to significantly impact its operations to provide an accomodation).

As for the second part... I don't understand your point. Why are you saying Disney would not cap DAS to one use? The other person that replied to you had the same opinion as me but I don't understand your answer.

PS: English is not my first language

People can use stand by as many times as they wish, capping DAS to once per ride would give a much different experience to those needing DAS

 

[Chi84]

People can use stand by as many times as they wish, capping DAS to once per ride would give a much different experience to those needing DAS

No, I’m saying that Disney would be able to cap DAS to limit or prevent re-rides. At least based on my reading of the GAC to DAS case. The court looked at statistics of what the average guest did, not what the guest could have done if they wished.

 

[Splash4eva]

On that, one thing I would change (which would, in my opinion, very fair and dial down the perception that DAS is a free LL pass on steroids) would be to have a scanning point at the exit of the rides as well, and not allow for another selection/booking until the DAS holder and their party was done with the ride they were currently in.

Thats why they implemented the “10 minute rule” as noted by myself before there definitely are rides/attractions that go well beyond that but for whatever reason Disney chose 10 minutes as the time frame. Im not a tech guy but im surprised Disney couldnt write some code where each ride is programmed in that DAS users use and the next tap isnt available until the ride time is up…

 

[DisneyHead123]

No, I’m saying that Disney would be able to cap DAS to limit or prevent re-rides. At least based on my reading of the GAC to DAS case. The court looked at statistics of what the average guest did, not what the guest could have done if they wished.

In practice I doubt they would ever cap DAS because fixation on certain rides can be a thing for ND people. It would be a bad look to tell children with autism they can’t re-ride Small World multiple times if they wait the same amount of time as everyone else. Comparing their experience to what the average guest does is going to be perceived differently if their experience differs specifically because of the nature of their disability. (I say perceived vs legally different because I realize the need for alternative line programs hasn’t even been established from a legal standpoint, so it’s possible DAS isn’t required from a legal perspective at all.)

 

[Chi84]

In practice I doubt they would ever cap DAS because fixation on certain rides can be a thing for ND people. It would be a bad look to tell children with autism they can’t re-ride Small World multiple times if they wait the same amount of time as everyone else. Comparing their experience to what the average guest does is going to be perceived differently if their experience differs specifically because of the nature of their disability. (I say perceived vs legally different because I realize the need for alternative line programs hasn’t even been established from a legal standpoint, so it’s possible DAS isn’t required from a legal perspective at all.)

Right. I’m speaking only about the possible legality because talking about what the disabled person needs is only part of the issue.

Needs likely differ greatly based on the individual. The court was using “like experience” differently from how many use it here.

A business has to provide reasonable accommodations to give the disabled guest a like park experience to that of the non-disabled guest. But it looked at what the average guest actually does, not what each person could do if they wished based on the absence of a disability.

 

[DisneyHead123]

A business has to provide reasonable accommodations to give the disabled guest a like park experience to that of the non-disabled guest. But it looked at what the average guest actually does, not what each person could do if they wished based on the absence of a disability.

I think this is a largely uncharted topic, because in the past, disabilities often involved physical differences, with an assumption that people still wanted to do the same things in general. Now, with the huge increase we’re seeing in the ND population, it’s a bit different because the desire to do things differently is itself the disability, at least in part (note - I’m using disability in the sense that it qualifies people for DAS. I know some people use the term disability, some use difference, and I am open to both, depending on a person‘s unique situation and self perception.)

I don’t know if wanting to go on a ride over and over would be considered something that needs to be accommodated if it were ever brought up in a legal sense. I actually think this is one of the few areas where a difference in ND thinking styles might be granted legal protection. If a person wants Disney to turn on all the lights in the dark rides and lower the volume on everything, that’s changing the experience for everyone else. If a person wants to go on a ride over and over? I feel like that’s similar to a person who goes to a zoo or museum and stands at one exhibit the whole time. It’s well within the choices they are allowed to make for themselves to have an enjoyable day. Now if the entrance to said exhibit is small and they are blocking it for other people? That’s a bit different. Again, I think this is one that would have to be discussed in detail in court as there is little that has been said about it thus far, that I’m aware of. I could see it going either way. My guess is that if Disney ever does limit DAS rides, it will be for a handful of attractions with the highest number of riders, the argument being that re-rides prevent other park guests from experiencing the ride (but more likely they’ll just sidestep the issue entirely with virtual queues.)

 

[JAN J]

Thats why they implemented the “10 minute rule” as noted by myself before there definitely are rides/attractions that go well beyond that but for whatever reason Disney chose 10 minutes as the time frame. Im not a tech guy but im surprised Disney couldnt write some code where each ride is programmed in that DAS users use and the next tap isnt available until the ride time is up…

Probably was easier to just say "set it at 10 minutes" rather than "estimate each ride's running time".
My solution would be a scanner at the exit but then it would cost them money to buy and maintain.

 

[Tigger&Pooh]

I believe the reason that they don't do it is because the DAS holder is technically queueing as well (even if virtually), so that would be the equivalent of saying a person can't go twice in a stand-by line.

Agree that is the assumed reason for not limiting DAS. I also believe re-rides are simply not the problem that some posters here claim it is. If Disney felt DAS re-rides were causing a considerable backlog at certain attractions they could probably tweak DAS to include some limits (likely X number of attractions per day rather than "no re-rides"), but since it's apparently not a particularly high volume of riders Disney isn't interested in creating such limits.

 

[JAN J]

Agree that is the assumed reason for not limiting DAS. I also believe re-rides are simply not the problem that some posters here claim it is. If Disney felt DAS re-rides were causing a considerable backlog at certain attractions they could probably tweak DAS to include some limits (likely X number of attractions per day rather than "no re-rides"), but since it's apparently not a particularly high volume of riders Disney isn't interested in creating such limits.

Makes sense, I hadn't considered it from that perspective.