Splash4eva
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Not trying to be rude just trying to help another board member with some simple advice… same way ive done before and others have. They can use it or not.
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News New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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Angel Ariel
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From how you describe you tour, yes, I can see why you view DAS as providing an advantage. That's your choice and while it's not one we'll make, I respect that it's your choice. Touring that way isn't an option for us for a variety of reasons I'm not getting into, nor is it of interest. No advice needed
Purduevian
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I think the argument around re-rides really is all about opportunity cost.
Using the example of a 90 min wait for mine train.
A group that does not utilize DAS is unlikely to wait in that standby line more than once as the opportunity cost of 90 minutes is time they can be doing literally anything else in the park.
vs a group that does use DAS. They are probably pretty likely to re-ride 7D and just pair that long wait time with another long activity such as a sit down meal, where the group will not be riding anything 60 minutes regardless.
I think there are only 2 ways to "solve" this potential problem. 1) Don't solve it, if it's not that common of an issue. 2) limit re-rides to those utilizing DAS.
I think any other solution is either going to cost Disney money to track what a DAS user is doing during their waiting period.
Using the example of a 90 min wait for mine train.
A group that does not utilize DAS is unlikely to wait in that standby line more than once as the opportunity cost of 90 minutes is time they can be doing literally anything else in the park.
vs a group that does use DAS. They are probably pretty likely to re-ride 7D and just pair that long wait time with another long activity such as a sit down meal, where the group will not be riding anything 60 minutes regardless.
I think there are only 2 ways to "solve" this potential problem. 1) Don't solve it, if it's not that common of an issue. 2) limit re-rides to those utilizing DAS.
I think any other solution is either going to cost Disney money to track what a DAS user is doing during their waiting period.
Angel Ariel
Well-Known Member
And I would expect Disney already looked at it before they made this change and decided not to pursue it. I highly doubt anything has been said here that they didn't consider.
SamusAranX
Well-Known Member
That way makes Disney money too, it’s exactly what they hope for and want between experiencing attractions; you spending money on food and merch.
Angel Ariel
Well-Known Member
Exactly why FP was created in the first place..
I think some people just aren’t interested in running from ride to ride, so aren’t in a rush to grab another return time as soon as they can.
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
Oh I'm positive Disney loves when DAS users are spending more time (and money) in shops or on food. I'm sure Disney is less thrilled about DAS users holding a return time and adding to the 10-15 min queues, taking up prime parade viewing locations, or taking up prime show seats... however the reality of stopping DAS users from experiencing these things is just not feasible for the negligible negatives on the rest of the park guests.
The only grey area I can think of (where feasibility might meet cost) would be to not allow DAS users to REDEEM a LL while holding a DAS return time. From a technology/cost stand point, it would be pretty easy to implement. However, I highly doubt the risk of loosing DAS LLSP/LLMP users would make more money than adding those slots back into the LLMP/LLSP pool for non-DAS users. (aka I think they would sell less LLs)
I’m guessing they solved that by decreasing the amount of people (and number in party) who are eligible for DAS.
Angel Ariel
Well-Known Member
Re: the bolded - given who DAS is now for, I would be interested to know how many of these families are sitting in prime viewing locations for 30 mins+, or for shows for 30 min+. For us, waiting that long in one spot would be just as challenging as the queue, so we don't.
This really seems like you're trying to encourage someone to stop enjoying something mid-ride, just to get the "jump" on the next DAS attraction, while at the same time in other posts implying drastic change needs to be made to "limit" it's advantages? I'm with Ariel. I can't imagine stopping in the middle of a ride/attraction to book another one. It's also disruptive to others, especially on say a dark ride or other. It's more than possible to leave a phone in a bag for 10 minutes to live in the minute. A couple of minutes in the grand scheme of things isn't going to make a difference for me for the next ride. I use DAS because I need it to access an attraction that I otherwise wouldn't be able to, not to get any kind of advantage or save time. I can pause for a few minutes to enjoy what I am doing.
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Splash4eva
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Not sure how its disruptive? Please enlighten me. You can disagree and im fine with that. But again. Im not sure if you are familiar with in park DAS but literally its a separate icon basically that only you have you click on it and the rides comes up all of them and you simply choose one and thats basically it. Hence why i said 15-20 seconds. Like i said. During a show you have seen multiple times its really not a big deal. On KS. Heck even on some lines you can do it…
It's disruptive to pull a phone out in the middle of an attraction, both for myself and others. I'm not on my phone most of the time - why would I be holding it in my hand during the ride. I'd have to stop, dig in my bag, pull it out, stop looking at what is around me....I'd rather live in the moment. Life doesn't revolve around a phone.
It's also disrespectful to others on the attraction. When someone pulls out a phone, it flashes a screen to everyone around, and the light is distracting. People hold it up in front of you and you have to look around it. It's the most annoying thing in the world, and extremely inconsiderate of others. I've been on rides where the attendants have stopped the ride or had to tell people on an intercom multiple times to put their phones away.
What I don't get is why you are so insistent to keep arguing to others they should pull out their phone on a ride. If you want to do that, go ahead, but most people don't and it's quite odd to keep trying to insist that others do so.
SingleRider
Premium Member
If Disney wanted to they could just limit everyone to one “free” ride and one paid ride per day. They already have tap points at Guardians - just have everyone entering standby scan to keep track. Then they could limit DAS holders to one return time per day. By limiting everyone to just one like they did with VQ this would be a fair treatment of all.
SamusAranX
Well-Known Member
Do you want standby to become a standstill?
Chi84
Premium Member
But we know what Disney wanted to do because they did it. They didn’t want to do what you’re suggesting.
It’s interesting to hear how people are handling the new DAS but it makes no sense to talk about the things they could have done but rejected.
JAN J
Active Member
On that, one thing I would change (which would, in my opinion, very fair and dial down the perception that DAS is a free LL pass on steroids) would be to have a scanning point at the exit of the rides as well, and not allow for another selection/booking until the DAS holder and their party was done with the ride they were currently in.
JAN J
Active Member
I believe the reason that they don't do it is because the DAS holder is technically queueing as well (even if virtually), so that would be the equivalent of saying a person can't go twice in a stand-by line.
Chi84
Premium Member
Its not like that at all.
JAN J
Active Member
How so?