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MK Country Bear Jamboree is getting new songs and acts

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Do you really think that never happens within various companies? Disney’s not the only one that does this sort of thing with otherwise popular things otherwise. Lowball them all the sudden until they eventually have an excuse to rid them altogether. It absolutely happens
That's just a fancy way to say "it might happen". Which is pretty much worthless if you have no proof and are just reading tea leaves.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

Well-Known Member
That's just a fancy way to say "it might happen". Which is pretty much worthless if you have no proof and are just reading tea leaves.
“Might happen”, there’s absolutely evidence of it happening. Journey Into Imagination’s lowballing and retheme to a Honey I Shrunk theme is a perfect example of it. If you need me to link all the evidence of it happening, I can. It’s shocking. All clearly visible for us all to see.
 
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

Well-Known Member
Since MisterPenguin can't figure out what | meant or said, here's proof for those that can. At 1:24, notice the lack of mentioning ImageWorks and the slick word change.. after stating the glass pyramids were the gateway to Journey Into Imagination, “‘Inside’ you’ll find Honey,I Shrunk the Audience”
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here’s the infamous queue rope mentioned in David Koenig’s book Realityland, (besides the new awning, redone signage & monorail spiel to make ‘Honey, I Shrunk the Audience out to be the sole/main attraction in the pavilion) that dropped Journey Into Imagination’s attendance levels enough to get Disney to start looking into the idea of redoing it, as at that time, when looking for ways to try to lower maintenance spending.. that’s the way this pavilion got absolutely desecrated.
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What the guest flow & outside to the Journey Into Imagination attraction & Magic Eye Theater looked like during the earlier days pre-Honey, I Shrunk the Audience (source: http://www.jefflangedvd.com/news/archives/2007/06/entry_83.html)
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Once HISTA, was added in late ‘94, a queue rope & awning was placed there to redirect/direct guests there as opposed to the whole pavilion (including the ride & ImageWorks.) below are comparisons of the entrance to Magic Journeys, Captain EO & Honey, I Shrunk the Audience, (notice the added awning for HISTA? Was never there during Magic Journeys & Captain EO’s run):
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Older monorail spiel at 1:24 that mentioned expressing creativity & the ImageWorks with Captain EO as an additional show:
From that, guess what actually convinced them to retheme Journey Into Imagination’s to a Honey, I Shrunk the Audience Imagination Institute tie-in (both take place in the “Imagination Institute” run by Dr. Nigel Channing). The “Kodak sponsorship contract” reasoning is BS. They updated this pavilion (new Magic Eye Theater films & new ImageWorks activities) according to the contract all the way up til Oct. ‘98. Attendance to the original non-Honey, I Shrunk themed Journey Into Imagination ride & ImageWorks dropped due to this change… add bizarrely keeping the “Journey Into Imagination” name despite the drastically rethemed/redone experience, you don’t think any of those changes made were suspicious and/or intentional? Yeeeah, right..
Folks can deny it happened all they want, but the evidence is there to see and doesn’t lie. Oh yeah, and btw, they changed the guest flow back afterwards and added a banner & clear signage outside the ride portion inside the pyramids, so you wouldn’t get confused with all that again.. how convenient.. sure would’ve been nice during the original’s time, eh? Before it got needlessly massacred into the mess nobody asked for now, right? To this day, the complaints are massive and they still haven’t restored it back like they should. They phoned it in in ‘02 by doubling down on the IP retheme practically everyone hated while shoehorning Figment in, in a way that makes no sense anymore. But yeah.. again, shady. And yes, Disney ‘does’ intentionally sabotage things. It’s no “conspiracy theory”. :
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

Well-Known Member
I just can’t think of why they would decide to retheme a Crocodile Mercantile shop to a Winnie the Pooh gift shop at DL, when they had plenty of spots & space in Fantasyland. Can anyone here tell me if you know another reason? Sure didn’t fit with the rest of the land at the time and why carry Country Bear merch in a Pooh Corner store (which they barely did, I might add), and since it’s Pooh themed, what merch do you think would sell more there? They sure wouldn’t be going in there to buy anything else, unlike Crocodile Mercandile which had a wider variety.. and that’s not even getting into things like the Country Bears Christmas Special being a big hit), so much so, they decided to do Small World Holiday & Haunted Mansion Holiday later after seeing how popular it was at DL.

So yeah, just can’t imagine why we’re so POd/Annoyed they’re seemingly intentionally not selling ‘any’ Country Bear merch in FL now, huh? despite a brand new show they invested lots into and it getting alot more attendance now. Makes zero sense. In Tokyo, they clearly understand the merch opportunities. Why not here?

And that’s not even tackling the fact Figment now has a considered massive downgrade from the original, by the public since 02, Honey I Shrunk crossover “Journey Into Imagination” ride, yet despite that, Figment (the thing specifically from the original non-IP ride) himself still sells TONs in merch. How do they not think the Country Bears would sell also w a ‘new attraction’? Again, could even sell it on both coasts. DL updated the Hungry Bear Restaurant to a Bear Barbecue Jamboree restaurant w enhanced theming along with a new Big Al statue installed at DCA, yes?? The logic of not producing/selling any merch there at all to coincide with any of this isn’t meshing whatsoever.
 
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Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

Well-Known Member
Theme park fans.... "the only thing executives want is more money!"

So, if that's the case, then the reason they want IP attractions is because IP attractions make more money.

And if IP based attractions make more money, it's because it's what *people* want.
I honestly believe that guests would like pretty much anything Disney makes, IP or not, as long as Disney marketed it well. The Haunted Mansion gets more new merch every year than most IP attractions because Disney knows how to market it as something exciting to guests. Same for Figment, even with his ride being awful. If they treated all original attractions the same way, I’m sure some (not all) would be more popular. The Country Bears definitely have merchandising potential.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I honestly believe that guests would like pretty much anything Disney makes, IP or not, as long as Disney marketed it well. The Haunted Mansion gets more new merch every year than most IP attractions because Disney knows how to market it as something exciting to guests. Same for Figment, even with his ride being awful. If they treated all original attractions the same way, I’m sure some (not all) would be more popular. The Country Bears definitely have merchandising potential.
The attraction has to be a good attraction, IP or not. I agree.

But IP gets people interested. And if the attraction is good, people think more highly of the IP

And IP provides synergy with merch and video content.

Now, how about those Country Bears? ;)
 

WondersOfLife

Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
This is what a lack of Country Bear content does to a fandom, lmao
I think it is nice for the bears to be more on the exclusive side of merch. Similar to tiki room. Makes park collectors like myself not feel like there is a oversaturation of merch for it.

Unlike Haunted Mansion, where I feel like collecting things related to HM are sort of a moot point because theres too much merch of it.
 

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

Well-Known Member
The attraction has to be a good attraction, IP or not. I agree.

But IP gets people interested. And if the attraction is good, people think more highly of the IP

And IP provides synergy with merch and video content.

Now, how about those Country Bears? ;)
Since IP is being used as a draw for the bears… let’s sell some plush while we’re at it! The lack of Big Al teddy bears is shocking to me lol
 

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

Well-Known Member
I think it is nice for the bears to be more on the exclusive side of merch. Similar to tiki room. Makes park collectors like myself not feel like there is a oversaturation of merch for it.

Unlike Haunted Mansion, where I feel like collecting things related to HM are sort of a moot point because theres too much merch of it.
Exclusive is one thing, nonexistent is another. We’ve gotten a T-shirt and Lincoln Logs (which are already out of stock) for the new show. No plush, no pins, nothing. I’d love just a few plushes of the bears (ideally giving bears who’ve never gotten plushes like Ernest and Gomer a chance) and maybe a pin or two. I don’t need water bottles and Loungeflys and popcorn buckets, just two more items to go with the T-shirt.

I design merch for another fan site and there is a definite hunger in the community for CBJ merch!
 

WondersOfLife

Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
Exclusive is one thing, nonexistent is another. We’ve gotten a T-shirt and Lincoln Logs (which are already out of stock) for the new show. No plush, no pins, nothing. I’d love just a few plushes of the bears (ideally giving bears who’ve never gotten plushes like Ernest and Gomer a chance) and maybe a pin or two. I don’t need water bottles and Loungeflys and popcorn buckets, just two more items to go with the T-shirt.

I design merch for another fan site and there is a definite hunger in the community for CBJ merch!
A big al popcorn bucket would go hard tho.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

Well-Known Member
What in the heck is going on with this thread...
It seems some people for some baffling reason don’t understand nuance and relating topics. Which shocks me considering others were able to straight away understand other posts & arguments about Non-IP vs IP. The reason I brought up what happened to Journey Into Imagination (for 1-2 posts I might add) was to illustrate, constantly making my way back to CBJ and how unfitting Winnie the Pooh shops & meet n greets screwed ‘that’ attraction at DL mind you, was that Disney indeed sabotages things the ‘executives’ don’t like to replace with a mixed-up IP based attraction that makes no sense). One of the biggest cases in point of nearly the ‘very’ same thing happening, is when they used Honey, I Shrunk the Audience to make Journey Into Imagination, a mixed up Honey I Shrunk themed Institute attraction, deceivingly called the same thing as the original ride which wasn’t based on Film IP (calling it Journey Into Imagination, when it isn’t that anymore). I’m not sure how some ‘completely’ missed that.
 
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

Well-Known Member
Maybe its a subtle way of hinting next refurb one of the bears will sing Imagination? My money would be on Big Al
Wow..
I just can’t think of why they would decide to retheme a Crocodile Mercantile shop to a Winnie the Pooh gift shop at DL, when they had plenty of spots & space in Fantasyland. Can anyone here tell me if you know another reason? Sure didn’t fit with the rest of the land at the time and why carry Country Bear merch in a Pooh Corner store (which they barely did, I might add), and since it’s Pooh themed, what merch do you think would sell more there? They sure wouldn’t be going in there to buy anything else, unlike Crocodile Mercandile which had a wider variety.. and that’s not even getting into things like the Country Bears Christmas Special being a big hit), so much so, they decided to do Small World Holiday & Haunted Mansion Holiday later after seeing how popular it was at DL.

So yeah, just can’t imagine why we’re so POd/Annoyed they’re seemingly intentionally not selling ‘any’ Country Bear merch in FL now, huh? despite a brand new show they invested lots into and it getting alot more attendance now. Makes zero sense. In Tokyo, they clearly understand the merch opportunities. Why not here?

And that’s not even tackling the fact Figment now has a considered massive downgrade from the original, by the public since 02, Honey I Shrunk crossover “Journey Into Imagination” ride, yet despite that, Figment (the thing specifically from the original non-IP ride) himself still sells TONs in merch. How then, do they not think the Country Bears would sell also w a ‘new attraction’? Again, could even sell it on both coasts. DL updated the Hungry Bear Restaurant to a Bear Barbecue Jamboree restaurant w enhanced theming along with a new Big Al statue installed at DCA, yes?? The logic of not producing/selling any merch there at all to coincide with any of this isn’t meshing whatsoever.
Talk about my point ‘completely’ being lost. I explained ‘exactly’ what I meant and folks here still ‘completely’ missed it.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

Well-Known Member
“Disney never sabotages non-IP attractions intentionally to make into a mixed-up Film IP attraction that makes no sense.”

*Gives an example of the same thing happening at another park, makes sure to relate it back to what happened to CBJ & being replaced by a Winnie the Pooh ride at DL.*

“Man, what happened to this thread, this guy must think Big Al is gonna sing about Imagination”.

WT*?? How did folks miss what I illustrated? Intentionally perhaps to stay in denial that it ‘does’ infact happen and that other companies participate in this type of thing aswell. Sabotaging things to fail intentionally to put something the CEO/New Management team would rather put in.
 
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EagleScout610

What a wisecracker
Premium Member
“Disney never sabotages non-IP attractions intentionally to make into a mixed-up Film IP attraction that makes no sense.”

*Gives an example of the same thing happening at another park, makes sure to relate it back to what happened to CBJ at DL.*

“Man, this guy must think Big Al is gonna sing about Imagination”.

WT*?? How did folks miss what I illustrated?
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