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[DisneyHead123]

I haven no idea what this post even means.

Disney wish is a better ship cos it has more magical disney experiences and immersion like the parks. This is what we want more of. I dont want subtle. Its boring.

Just my theory, but I think that “A lot of theming” vs. “A little theming” is probably the wrong metric. I said in an earlier comment - a place like Port Orleans can have a ton of theming but still come off as quite subtle because all of the theming is so harmonious. Whereas one random Frozen picture in rooms on the Wish stand out a fair bit, because a Frozen picture doesn’t seem to have a lot in common with the rest of those rooms.

My thought is that the right metric is probably “harmonious vs discordant”. I’m not entirely opposed to discordant elements. In pop culture slang, they can make things “pop”. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. It’s entirely possible for things to be too harmonious, so that our eyes just sweep over them without a second thought. Contradiction makes us think. But too many discordant elements become a cluttered mess. There’s a kind of yin yang balance to be found there, I think.

I haven’t seen the Wish in person but my understanding of the complaints are that the layout is a bit too discordant because there was a desire to mix retail spaces with themed spaces in the hope of promoting shopping. I agree with you that the extra theming on the Wish is cool, but I also agree with people complaining that being in a lounge that feels like it’s in a mall food court is an ambiance killer.

 

[Surfin' Tuna]

I haven no idea what this post even means.

Disney wish is a better ship cos it has more magical disney experiences and immersion like the parks. This is what we want more of. I dont want subtle. Its boring.

Is it possible the master shipbuilder has a new account?

 

[peter11435]

because there was a desire to mix retail spaces with themed spaces in the hope of promoting shopping.

Retail spaces on the Wish are generally in the same locations as the other ships. With the exception of moving one store to deck 5 all other shopping is the same as the rest of the fleet.

There’s definitely some layout oddities on the Wish (there are on the other four ships too you’re just used to those) but I wouldn’t say shopping locations has anything to do with them.

 

[DisneyHead123]

Retail spaces on the Wish are generally in the same locations as the other ships. With the exception of moving one store to deck 5 all other shopping is the same as the rest of the fleet.

There’s definitely some layout oddities on the Wish (there are on the other four ships too you’re just used to those) but I wouldn’t say shopping locations has anything to do with them.

I only know of this stuff via YouTube videos, but I thought what people really liked about the earlier ships was a “neighborhood” type setup with restaurants, bars, shops, etc. As in you went to the bars / lounges and it was like going to a Pleasure Island type district, everything was grouped together. Whereas now I’ve seen complaints that you’re in The Bayou and there are kids running around the perimeter and people rushing by shopping (I think it was The Bayou, I could be misremembering.)

 

[peter11435]

I only know of this stuff via YouTube videos, but I thought what people really liked about the earlier ships was a “neighborhood” type setup with restaurants, bars, shops, etc. As in you went to the bars / lounges and it was like going to a Pleasure Island type district, everything was grouped together. Whereas now I’ve seen complaints that you’re in The Bayou and there are kids running around the perimeter and people rushing by shopping (I think it was The Bayou, I could be misremembering.)

Yes. That is a common and legitimate complaint regarding the adult areas. The other ships all have a centralized area with bars/lounges/clubs. With some other bars spread around the ship. On the Triton class ships these areas are spread around the ship with no centralized adult area.

This complaint doesn’t apply to shopping though.

 

[DisneyHead123]

Yes. That is a common and legitimate complaint regarding the adult areas. The other ships all have a centralized area with bars/lounges/clubs. With some other bars spread around the ship. On the Triton class ships these areas are spread around the ship with no centralized adult area.

This complaint doesn’t apply to shopping though.

Ok, I’m either mixing up cruise ship reviews or read something incorrect then. Wonder why they changed the layout if the motivation wasn’t increased spending at the shops? The old setup sounds like it was very well liked.

 

[nickys]

Ok, I’m either mixing up cruise ship reviews or read something incorrect then. Wonder why they changed the layout if the motivation wasn’t increased spending at the shops? The old setup sounds like it was very well liked.

I think the woman in charge of the design of the new class of ships has admitted she had never been on a cruise ship.

You would think that would be a pre-requisite before being appointed to head up the design team.

 

[Master Yoda]

Interesting. We ate at True True BBQ and spent most of our time on the southern end of the island. But did walk through the serenity bay area and grabbed desert. Like I said we only saw one fly. I think maybe they might be worse on the northern side. Hopefully they will continue to improve on that issue.

I did not see the first fly until I sat down with food. It was a constant battle for the next 10 minutes to avoid investing "extra protein". This puts a fair dampener on the day when eating is one of only three things on your itinerary.

I have used simple chemical fly traps with good success when flies are an issue. I have no idea if there is a scaled-up version that Disney could employ.

 

[DisneyHead123]

I think the woman in charge of the design of the new class of ships has admitted she had never been on a cruise ship.

You would think that would be a pre-requisite before being appointed to head up the design team.

She actually made that comment in the Disney+ documentary about the Wish. I think it was meant to show her journey and struggles as a point of interest, but yeah, in hindsight that seems like not the best thing to highlight. I hate to say it because I am still a pixie duster for the most part, but I can see why people accuse Disney of being out of touch with their consumer base.

In reality, I’m sure she was surrounded by people who do have tons of experience working on cruise ships. That’s kind of a given if you want the thing to do so much as float, right? But people love cruising and it’s a real lifestyle for many - highlighting that the designer seemingly had no interest in cruising seems like not the best take.

 

[Surfin' Tuna]

she had never been on a cruise ship.

It explains why "little" things such as the walking deck seemed okay to omit. People, who cruise a lot, really love that space to get out, see the ocean, and walk off a little of the endless food.

 

[Master Yoda]

It explains why "little" things such as the walking deck seemed okay to omit. People, who cruise a lot, really love that space to get out, see the ocean, and walk off a little of the endless food.

I used the ever-loving crap out of the one on the Magic. I started walking an hour a day about 5 weeks ago and the last thing I wanted to do was break that newly formed habit.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Ok, I’m either mixing up cruise ship reviews or read something incorrect then. Wonder why they changed the layout if the motivation wasn’t increased spending at the shops? The old setup sounds like it was very well liked.

The "premium shopping" square footage is higher on the Triton-class ships (unless they are changing it on the Treasure and Destiny) than on the original four ships. On the Magic it's a walk-by area on Deck 4. On the Wish it takes up significant space on the starboard side of Deck 3. Go look at the respective deck plans and you can see for yourself.

 

[Surfin' Tuna]

The "premium shopping" square footage is higher on the Triton-class ships

Limit outdoor walking, bring the focus back inside to the new, premium shopping area. It's "more Disney."

 

[Tiggerish]

I only know of this stuff via YouTube videos, but I thought what people really liked about the earlier ships was a “neighborhood” type setup with restaurants, bars, shops, etc. As in you went to the bars / lounges and it was like going to a Pleasure Island type district, everything was grouped together. Whereas now I’ve seen complaints that you’re in The Bayou and there are kids running around the perimeter and people rushing by shopping (I think it was The Bayou, I could be misremembering.)

It's for sure The Bayou. It's a gorgeous lounge, but it's not big enough. For some strange reason ( probably because it's centrally located) they do the arts n crafts activities in there, and there just are not enough seats. So you've got people of many ages literally seated on the floor of the corridors, with their backs up against the walls of the fancy shops, coloring or whatever the craft is. It's insane.

I can't imagine that the luxe shops are thrilled about the image of people sitting up against their frontage, conjuring the thought of actual homeless people (I live in NYC, and that is a common sight). Even if they are crafting instead of begging.

And why did they even make Luna in the form of a family venue, only to use it for "adult" evening entertainment, open to the deck above, where any passing family can "enjoy" entertainment that they may not want to partake of? Then they made Triton's Lounge, which as far as I could tell, was never in use. It would have been ideal for many of the activities that they forced into The Bayou.

Wish is one and done for me. Sadly not interested in Treasure or Destiny, if they are going to be identical. And that really does make me sad.

Yes. That is a common and legitimate complaint regarding the adult areas. The other ships all have a centralized area with bars/lounges/clubs. With some other bars spread around the ship. On the Triton class ships these areas are spread around the ship with no centralized adult area.

This complaint doesn’t apply to shopping though.

Well, yes, they put all the fancy designer shops all together. Us normies have to go upstairs to Deck 5 to find things that we'll buy, like DCL branded merch.

It explains why "little" things such as the walking deck seemed okay to omit. People, who cruise a lot, really love that space to get out, see the ocean, and walk off a little of the endless food.

The lack of a proper walking deck without stairs is the reason why I will never sail on a Triton class ship again.

And that makes me sad.

 

[Surfin' Tuna]

The lack of a proper walking deck without stairs is the reason why I will never sail on a Triton class ship again.

This is the main reason we canceled our Treasure reservation. I don't want to spend all that money just to be angry the whole time.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Interesting update, they did one of the Lookout Cay inaugural cruises and are back for a 3 month comparison… still some issues but they seemed to enjoy it a lot more this time.

 

[cjkeating]

Then they made Triton's Lounge, which as far as I could tell, was never in use.

It was used on my cruise early in the year and... it was full and standing with the venue at capacity. The venues are all just too small. Such poor planning.

 

[DisneyHead123]

It's for sure The Bayou. It's a gorgeous lounge, but it's not big enough. For some strange reason ( probably because it's centrally located) they do the arts n crafts activities in there, and there just are not enough seats. So you've got people of many ages literally seated on the floor of the corridors, with their backs up against the walls of the fancy shops, coloring or whatever the craft is. It's insane.

I can't imagine that the luxe shops are thrilled about the image of people sitting up against their frontage, conjuring the thought of actual homeless people (I live in NYC, and that is a common sight). Even if they are crafting instead of begging.

And why did they even make Luna in the form of a family venue, only to use it for "adult" evening entertainment, open to the deck above, where any passing family can "enjoy" entertainment that they may not want to partake of? Then they made Triton's Lounge, which as far as I could tell, was never in use. It would have been ideal for many of the activities that they forced into The Bayou.

Wish is one and done for me. Sadly not interested in Treasure or Destiny, if they are going to be identical. And that really does make me sad.

Well, yes, they put all the fancy designer shops all together. Us normies have to go upstairs to Deck 5 to find things that we'll buy, like DCL branded merch.

The lack of a proper walking deck without stairs is the reason why I will never sail on a Triton class ship again.

And that makes me sad.

Wait, I’m confused… they do crafts in The Bayou? Or at a spot next door?

 

[peter11435]

Wait, I’m confused… they do crafts in The Bayou? Or at a spot next door?

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[DisneyHead123]

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That seems like a really strange use of a themed lounge, although I’m not a cruiser so what do I know.