News EPCOT's Harmonious to be replaced with new nighttime spectacular Luminous

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So now that we're several months into this show, I'm curious to hear where this stands in the eyes of management as far as its success and longevity and if they're getting the numbers they wanted that Harmonious didn't produce. I stay at the resort on average one week a month and honestly I don't think I've even heard the word Luminous uttered by guests at all. HEA and Fant, sure, almost daily, but it's odd how I hear less about this than Harmonious, good or bad.
 
Andrew25

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TDLFan said:
So now that we're several months into this show, I'm curious to hear where this stands in the eyes of management as far as its success and longevity and if they're getting the numbers they wanted that Harmonious didn't produce. I stay at the resort on average one week a month and honestly I don't think I've even heard the word Luminous uttered by guests at all. HEA and Fant, sure, almost daily, but it's odd how I hear less about this than Harmonious, good or bad.
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Speaking from personal experience, I hear far louder applauses at the end. Whether or not it's a financial success who knows? There are a lot of factors into play at the moment.
 
ToTBellHop

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Andrew25 said:
Speaking from personal experience, I hear far louder applauses at the end. Whether or not it's a financial success who knows? There are a lot of factors into play at the moment.
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I would hazard a guess that dining tendencies of the typical guest have shifted post-pandemic. Not sure how Epcot navigates that. Push "free" DDP for $750/night rooms?
 
Andrew25

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ToTBellHop said:
I would hazard a guess that dining tendencies of the typical guest have shifted post-pandemic. Not sure how Epcot navigates that. Push "free" DDP for $750/night rooms?
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I'd imagine part of it is World Showcase becoming more popular earlier in the day for lunch with all of the attractions there now, so I'd imagine lunch reservations have substituted a good amount of dinner reservations?

Can't imagine people are booking two full service meals a day.
 
GhostHost1000

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TDLFan said:
So now that we're several months into this show, I'm curious to hear where this stands in the eyes of management as far as its success and longevity and if they're getting the numbers they wanted that Harmonious didn't produce. I stay at the resort on average one week a month and honestly I don't think I've even heard the word Luminous uttered by guests at all. HEA and Fant, sure, almost daily, but it's odd how I hear less about this than Harmonious, good or bad.
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I don’t know but I think they could easily plus it with some fire effects and a much stronger ending.
 
ToTBellHop

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Andrew25 said:
I'd imagine part of it is World Showcase becoming more popular earlier in the day for lunch with all of the attractions there now, so I'd imagine lunch reservations have substituted a good amount of dinner reservations?

Can't imagine people are booking two full service meals a day.
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Sure. Also, with WS becoming more family-friendly, I'm not sure many families want to book some of the restaurants that feel "stuffy". It was a bone-headed move to put in that bizarre creperie by Rat instead of Chez Remy's.

I'm sure they WANTED people to snack around the world on festival food and then sit down to dinner. Many are unlikely to have that kind of disposable income and personally, I could afford it, but after waiting around for snacks from several kiosks, I'd feel bad asking my kids to then sit down to a dinner (even if I could eat that much). They'd rather go on rides at 5 pm and I don't blame them.
 
Andrew25

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There's only so much disposable income available by the average person. Which is why I'm surprise Disney went on this journey to slim down attendance and squeeze whales.
 
Andrew25

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ToTBellHop said:
Bob has somehow finally realized that they need more bodies. At his level of compensation, he should have known that all along.
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Yup - answer was always to increase (or update older less popular experiences) simultaneously with attendance.

I do think dynamic/variable pricing is needed to spread demand out, but on any given the day there's an obvious lack of capacity at the parks to accommodate people comfortably.
 
ToTBellHop

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Andrew25 said:
Yup - answer was always to increase (or update older less popular experiences) simultaneously with attendance.

I do think dynamic/variable pricing is needed to spread demand out, but on any given the day there's an obvious lack of capacity at the parks to accommodate people comfortably.
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Plus, the "premium" type of guest he wants is turned off by the actual experience of planning a Disney trip now. There are plenty who can afford the experience, including a deluxe resort, but don't think the pay-off is there. They are slowly improving this, but it was asinine that they EVER let a guess arrive at a deluxe resort (or any Disney resort...) only to be told they couldn't get a park reservation. That's largely ended but you still have the same guest arriving in the park only to find all the good LLs are gone. No good. Disney created this mess and is slow-walking any improvements.
 
ToTBellHop

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TTA94 said:
I feel like they might just change the entire show to the next version of Luminous rather than swap out segments. Of course keeping the infrastructure but perhaps add fire and very likely drones. When this happens though who knows.
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If it takes a few years, you’re probably right. World of Color treatment (but hopefully not worse with each new iteration like WoC…)
 
Rich Brownn

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Florida Man said:
Harmonious was completely ignored in the Epcot Becoming special. It isn't mentioned anywhere. I feel like Walt would have mentioned it. Owned up to the mistake, talk about what went right and what went wrong, and don't let it happen again. I feel like they missed an opportunity to do that.
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Well it was about time for us to get our own version of Light Magic (Disneyland's infamous parade that never ever gets mentioned in any book or video) :D
 
aladdin2007

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ToTBellHop said:
Sure. Also, with WS becoming more family-friendly, I'm not sure many families want to book some of the restaurants that feel "stuffy". It was a bone-headed move to put in that bizarre creperie by Rat instead of Chez Remy's.

I'm sure they WANTED people to snack around the world on festival food and then sit down to dinner. Many are unlikely to have that kind of disposable income and personally, I could afford it, but after waiting around for snacks from several kiosks, I'd feel bad asking my kids to then sit down to a dinner (even if I could eat that much). They'd rather go on rides at 5 pm and I don't blame them.
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What I dont understand is Chefs de France not opening till noon, with hordes of people waiting outside, when other locations open sooner. And Tuttio Italia not opening till near 1. Its their own loss they could be making more money. Its the decision of third party managements I guess but just seems with the masses of people in this area of the park now they should be opening sooner than they do. Meanwhile they need to kick merch out of the bakery area back there in France and put it more tables, the situation is horrible with the crowds and absolutely nowhere to sit. Okay back to the fireworks I know. sorry.
 
Chef idea Mickey`=

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ToTBellHop said:
Sure. Also, with WS becoming more family-friendly, I'm not sure many families want to book some of the restaurants that feel "stuffy". It was a bone-headed move to put in that bizarre creperie by Rat instead of Chez Remy's.
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The prime I guess was to keep Chez Remy's exclusive to it's home in Disneyland Paris even though that was a fantastic restaurant. The creperie became a new addition to the France pavilion and represents the South of France. I don't know what you mean by stuffy. It's not tight or conjested infact it's the only one of few places where you don't need a reservation and is generally a walk in.

aladdin2007 said:
What I dont understand is Chefs de France not opening till noon, with hordes of people waiting outside, when other locations open sooner. And Tuttio Italia not opening till near 1. Its their own loss they could be making more money. Its the decision of third party managements I guess but just seems with the masses of people in this area of the park now they should be opening sooner than they do. Meanwhile they need to kick merch out of the bakery area back there in France and put it more tables, the situation is horrible with the crowds and absolutely nowhere to sit. Okay back to the fireworks I know. sorry.
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Most restaurants I assume only open for lunch which noon tends to be the given time. That area with the Boulangerie and France Gifts is difficult because I love eating there but I also love the merch being there. What they have done is removed seating outside which use to have right in front and by the ice cream. P.S. many people end up sitting where the fountains are in the front.
 
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ToTBellHop

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Chef idea Mickey`= said:
The prime I guess was to keep Chez Remy's exclusive to it's home in Disneyland Paris even though that was a fantastic restaurant. The creperie became a new addition to the France pavilion and represents the South of France. I don't know what you mean by stuffy. It's not tight or conjested infact it's the only one of few places where you don't need a reservation and is generally a walk in.
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The atmosphere doesn’t scream “come in with your toddlers” like Chez Remy does.
 

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