News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I think the motion to dismiss probably comes into play now. If this judge sticks (2 down already) he could end up accepting the defendant‘s motion to dismiss. I assume there would still be an appeal anyway.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I don't think the Judge matters as much as the law and Constitition. Further, a Conservative strict constructionalist Judge will give the 1st Amendment issue more weight. Disney will win this case and it will be the downfall of DeSantis's Presidential run.
Sadly this is only really true for most judges appointed prior to 2013 when the filibuster was still in place in the Senate. Since then the Federal Judges appointed have been a lot more partisan and extreme. The old notion of Conservative judges is being wiped away over time. Just like Disney was highly likely to win the initial case with Walker in there they are highly likely to lose now. It is what it is. There will still be an appeal but no guarantee how that plays out.
 

lazyboy97o

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There's still multiple criteria here. Disney could lose on the 1A grounds now but still win on the contracts clause. I honestly have a hard time seeing how any judge, short of a judge like Aileen Cannon, rules for the state on the contracts clause.
And cannon was roundly shot down by other Trump appointees. Trump himself has lost a number of cases to people he appointed.
 

UofMGuy423

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This judge seems to subscribe to the jdea that one should not read into legislative intent. https://www.wcjb.com/2023/05/26/florida-lawmakers-shielded-redistricting-legal-fight/
That’s not the same thing as legislative intent that’s clearly available in the public record or during legislative debate. The article mentions lawmakers were being subpoenaed to be deposed to find out their intent as the public record was void of any details on the redistricting legislation.

While the original judge was better, a conservative judge could be just as appalled at DeSantis’ actions towards Disney which lean towards less government retaliation and intrusion.
 

flyakite

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NOTICE OF MEETING
YOU WILL PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that on June 21 st at 9:30 a.m., or as soon thereafter as practicable, the Board of Supervisors of the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District will meet in regular session at 1900 Hotel Plaza Boulevard, Lake Buena Vista, Florida. At that time, they will consider such business as may properly come before them.
BY: Tina Graham, Clerk
 

mkt

Disney's Favorite Scumbag™
Premium Member
From CFTOD v Disney, there was a hearing yesterday:

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matt9112

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It’s basic economics of supply and demand. Housing is always cheaper when there’s little demand. The more successful an area becomes the less affordable it gets. The market sets the prices. In those rural areas people would gladly take more when selling their homes but they aren’t getting the offers.


Your ignoring all the induced demand from people who never intend to actually live in the houses…… also ignoring the reality that all those successful areas still need lower paying service jobs yet those areas fight tooth and nail against any kind of affordable housing.
 
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GoofGoof

Premium Member
Your ignoring all the induced demand from people who never intend to actually live in the houses…… also ignoring the reality that all those successful areas still need lower paying service jobs yet those areas fight tooth and nail for any kind of affordable housing.
I’m not ignoring any of that. It’s part of the reality we live in. That’s why the government at all levels has made affordable housing a priority in urban areas to some extent. Disney and Universal have been involved in projects to build affordable housing for at least some of their workforce. That housing is usually apartment style vs single family homes. It’s also possible for people with lower paying service jobs to live in a single family home that’s affordable if they are willing to commute. I know places like FL have no real mass transit and commuting is more of a Northeast thing, but where do you think all the Manhattan McDonalds workers live? They commute and usually take mass transit to work.
 

mmascari

Well-Known Member
When you get into highly partisan judges like this the law is less important.
The outcome depends highly on what they're partisan about though.

If it's a specific ideology or a team will be very important. This case in particular pits those two concepts against each other in many ways.

Which is an impact of the overall GOP platform eroding and moving away from many of its historic positions and more into just being about the team first.
 

Wendy Pleakley

Well-Known Member
Yes. But a Trump appointee at the Federal level. So it's really still up in the air. Conservative leaning? Absolutely. Does that mean ruling in favor of the state and "removing government special privileges to a private corporation" or Disney and "less government coercion over corporations"? Both are conservative viewpoints.

This is a mischaracterization of the choices available, because, as has been pointed out time and time again, the "special privileges" Disney has come with the cost of paying more in taxes.

A ruling against those "special privileges" would only make sense if it includes a provision that the district be dissolved completely. If Florida wants to have control, there's no reasonable scenario in which they have full control AND Disney still pays more in taxes. Any such ruling would be ludicrous.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
It's crazy that outcomes are being theorized based not on the law, but what certain judges will do. Judges who are supposed to be impartial.

Kinda like when we expected the Attorney General to uphold the current law - but because it was the exec branch they sat on their hands? Basically making the exec immune from the judicial system? Yes, it's a F'd up world we live in now.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Sadly this is only really true for most judges appointed prior to 2013 when the filibuster was still in place in the Senate. Since then the Federal Judges appointed have been a lot more partisan and extreme. The old notion of Conservative judges is being wiped away over time. Just like Disney was highly likely to win the initial case with Walker in there they are highly likely to lose now. It is what it is. There will still be an appeal but no guarantee how that plays out.
Way to blow it Harry!
 

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